Coyote and Deer Populations

[Sitka_Blacktail]

http://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47

Here's a couple quotes from this article.

"During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated."

"That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."

This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves.  Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.

This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.

[carpsniperg2]

 "The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves."

Thanks I needed a good laugh, havent had one like that in a long time!!!

Wolves helping deer fawns Now that's funny

[buckfvr]

Funny Idaho hasnt mentioned benefiting from the wolves.............

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I know it's hard to understand, but some day it may all make sense to you guys. 

[bobcat]

I can actually see the argument that the presence of wolves may not affect deer significantly, due to the likelyhood of the decrease in the number of coyotes. It will be interesting to see if this theory holds true, in say another 20 or 30 years.

However I'm not very optimistic at all when it comes to the chance of our elk and moose populations holding up with the additional predation of wolves added into the equation.

[3nails]

I know it's hard to understand, but some day it may all make sense to you guys. 

All I really know is what I see. In the Dworshack area of Idaho (an area with a large wolf poulation) coyote numbers have gone through the roof for some reason. Don't know why but the deer are getting hammered from both.

[carpsniperg2]

I am sure all the sportsman in Idaho agree with you sitka, They are kicking there hills up because the yote population is gone and the deer numbers are better then ever You know how much meat your wolves take to survive? I know yotes very well and spent a lot of time around them and hunting them. They do not eat fawns and deer 24/7 like the wolf does. How many wolves will mouse out in my fields to feed themselves? How many will turn my sheep into a food source or my cattle? everyone given the chance. I knock the hell out of the yotes in my area and they are even getting harder to find. In the area that does not have cats. The deer numbers are very good and the yote population is lower. Throw wolves into the mix when there is no elk in my area and guess what is going to get ate 24/7! I would bet for every one deer a yote kills a wolf kills 50+ sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Washington will not be any different then the others. Our moose sheep mtn goats elk deer and livestock will be the main food source for wolves not mice and birds like the yotes Nice try though

[jdurham]

"The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves."

Thanks I needed a good laugh, havent had one like that in a long time!!!

Wolves helping deer fawns Now that's funny

I have to agree with you on that one.  How funny!

[jdurham]

I am sure all the sportsman in Idaho agree with you sitka, They are kicking there hills up because the yote population is gone and the deer numbers are better then ever You know how much meat your wolves take to survive? I know yotes very well and spent a lot of time around them and hunting them. They do not eat fawns and deer 24/7 like the wolf does. How many wolves will mouse out in my fields to feed themselves? How many will turn my sheep into a food source or my cattle? everyone given the chance. I knock the hell out of the yotes in my area and they are even getting harder to find. In the area that does not have cats. The deer numbers are very good and the yote population is lower. Throw wolves into the mix when there is no elk in my area and guess what is going to get ate 24/7! I would bet for every one deer a yote kills a wolf kills 50+ sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Washington will not be any different then the others. Our moose sheep mtn goats elk deer and livestock will be the main food source for wolves not mice and birds like the yotes Nice try though

   I read an article several years ago written by a biologist from Montana.  Wished I had saved it.  He went on to say how even given ample wild game the wolf will soon learn that livestock is a more plentiful and easier prey.  Just think how they will do given protection from their predator, man!

[carpsniperg2]

Yep! Hell at least when ever I lost any livestock to yotes "which has been very few over the years" I could go on a killing spree and thin them a little. With the wolves I would just get to sit and wait for tiny check for reimbursement! if!!! there was to even be funding for it. Then when they come back all I get to do is go collect another carcase or 2. Hell there has been packs in Montana that use to do killing sprees on livestock all the time. Get into a big flock of sheep and kill tons every night just for fun and the thrill of it. Shredded guard dogs and then go have a little fun killing with a full belly. Piss on the wolves being brought back we had a plenty healthy ecosystem without them here. There is a reason they were killed off because they are good for nothing! There is enough dang predators here already to take care of the "weak and old" haha my a$$. People always try to twist it into, oh they will help! What are they helping in any of the other states? is the fawn survival rate threw the roof? haha yeah right. Is the elk numbers booming? haha yeah right! Is the coyote population wiped out? hahaha yeah right. Is there no predation on livestock? hahahaha yeah right! Go try to pawn your wasted twisted info on some other people that don't have a brain. Not real sportsmen that understand the truth like we have on this site.   

[rtspring]

I want some of what he is smoking.  Really ? use wolves to cut down the coyotes, which in turn will save game?

I got a BULL CHIT flag run all the way up the damn flag pole on this theory you got!!!

[bearpaw]

Hounds and trapping has been stopped and the greenies have destroyed the fur market, and raptor numbers are rapidly increasing.

I'm going to borrow a geeenie term.... "footprint"

The overall "predator footprint" is so large that full scale predator control is needed to turn around many big game and gamebird populations. It is very simple, there will be less and less game animals or gamebuirds available for hunters to hunt. We have shorter seasons, there are fewer hunters, and success is dropping in many formerly outsatanding hunting areas.

The environmentalists are winning folks.

[Dhoey07]

http://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47

Here's a couple quotes from this article.

"During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated."

"That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."

This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves.  Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.

This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.

Don't you think that wolves would kill fawns before they turn to yotes?  Seems to me that fawns would be an easier meal.

[Special T]

http://www.lightforce.com/products/portable-systems

I have the scope mounted 100w one it will shine yotes out farther than i can see them. they say you can read abook about 600yards from the light. My bro in law has the hand held. Both are VERY bright. they are basically their offroad lights with different mounting hardware.

I remember reading/watching about midwest relationship between coyotes and deer. Lots of clubs go heavy on fruits that drop early to protect the deer. Dropped fruits substitute for deer killed. Since coyotes tend to fill any void where there is food, I'm unsure if fruit really helps save fawns, but i know it helps deer. 

[jdurham]

Yep! Hell at least when ever I lost any livestock to yotes "which has been very few over the years" I could go on a killing spree and thin them a little. With the wolves I would just get to sit and wait for tiny check for reimbursement! if!!! there was to even be funding for it. Then when they come back all I get to do is go collect another carcase or 2. Hell there has been packs in Montana that use to do killing sprees on livestock all the time. Get into a big flock of sheep and kill tons every night just for fun and the thrill of it. Shredded guard dogs and then go have a little fun killing with a full belly. Piss on the wolves being brought back we had a plenty healthy ecosystem without them here. There is a reason they were killed off because they are good for nothing! There is enough dang predators here already to take care of the "weak and old" haha my a$$. People always try to twist it into, oh they will help! What are they helping in any of the other states? is the fawn survival rate threw the roof? haha yeah right. Is the elk numbers booming? haha yeah right! Is the coyote population wiped out? hahaha yeah right. Is there no predation on livestock? hahahaha yeah right! Go try to pawn your wasted twisted info on some other people that don't have a brain. Not real sportsmen that understand the truth like we have on this site.