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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2012, 11:27:26 AM »
It has been mentioned on here before,but would gateing roads and making the mile buffer around the reserve help with the bull survival rate?

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2012, 11:36:37 AM »
That would be a good start! Id gate it farther 5 to 10 miles!
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #107 on: February 24, 2012, 01:00:18 PM »
Bone Collector it would do wonders for that elk need. 

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #108 on: February 24, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »
Colock, I'd drive your Apache Helicopter to the bar incase things get ugly with the BMM. :chuckle:
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2012, 01:21:34 PM »
Colock, I'd drive your Apache Helicopter to the bar incase things get ugly with the BMM. :chuckle:

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2012, 04:47:58 PM »
That would be a good start! Id gate it farther 5 to 10 miles!

 Really? I don't think the folks on the Wenatchee side of Colockum Pass,  Or on the Jumpoff Rd would appreciate being surrounded by elk camps on private property.
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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2012, 05:48:22 PM »
That would be a good start! Id gate it farther 5 to 10 miles!

 Really? I don't think the folks on the Wenatchee side of Colockum Pass,  Or on the Jumpoff Rd would appreciate being surrounded by elk camps on private property.
It would push people out of that area,but if they wanted to stay they would either have to hike there camps back or get permission too be on private ground that's just my  :twocents:

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2012, 06:49:59 PM »
That would be a good start! Id gate it farther 5 to 10 miles!

 Really? I don't think the folks on the Wenatchee side of Colockum Pass,  Or on the Jumpoff Rd would appreciate being surrounded by elk camps on private property.
It would push people out of that area,but if they wanted to stay they would either have to hike there camps back or get permission too be on private ground that's just my  :twocents:


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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2012, 07:38:28 PM »
I have been in there for about 4 years,but my dad and other huntin partners have been huntin it for about 17 years

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2012, 07:43:15 PM »
Guys, your ideas to close the area around the reserve are not going to happen. Reason number 1 is that Colockum pas rd is a Kittitas county road so the WDFW can't make the decision to close it. Reason number 2 is that closing the roads would result in basically closing the elk season in almost half of the Colockum area resulting in decreased license and tag sales. The WDFW wants more sales not less. Reason 3, is that closing an area of 5 to 10 miles around the reserve would close off allmost all of the Naneum and the Tarpiscan and the powerline and the top of Cooke and Coleman canyons. Most of the people who hunt these areas are not going to support these actions. Talk and ideas are great, but coming up with viable ans supportable plans make more sense. Gating roads that are already closed so people can't just ignore the no vehicles signs will help some. Closing  a few more non essential roads will help some more. With the herd at total number objectives even though the bull numbers are still way too low, the WDFW is not going to basically close the elk season in the Colockum area.  :twocents: PS if it makes any difference my brother and I have hunted elk in the Colockum for over 45 years.

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2012, 08:26:35 AM »
I have been in there for about 4 years,but my dad and other huntin partners have been huntin it for about 17 years

 About as long as winshooter88 here

 I may not have done the research numbers like Colockumelk has, but we are 46 years and four generations intimate with the Colockum Elk herd and it's central to northern range.

 Throughout the majority of the years spent hunting there things were fine. Before green dot we drove almost anywhere. And yes the Game Reserve was  bordered on 3 sides by open roads. Before 1972 the Colockum Pass  road was the  eastern boundary of the reserve, not Brewton road. There were a lot more hunters up there then than now
 In the early 80s They came up with resource allocation and, moved the season from November to the last week of October. Didn't didn't like it but What could WE do?
  Before this time elk season started either on a Sunday,or Monday.They also came up with an early and late tag and moved the opener for the early tag to Saturday, late tag on Monday. WHY some would ask, would anyone then buy a late tag?!?!?!?! Here is your answer. Special permits were only available to those who had purchased LATE tags. This was obviously before they discovered their cash cow. There also was no east or west tag....there was western, Blue mountain, Yakima,or Colockum tags, so you were more restricted east than you are now as to where you could go.
  Was it 1994 that they expanded the Blue mountain "Spike only" to the Yakama, and Colockum herds.
 Didn't like that either, but (once again)What could we do? In the early years there was a very noticeable increase in branched animals. and we ALL started feeding the cash cow! there were about 60 any bull permits issued in the Naneum, Mission, and Quilomene GMU's at that time. Now we have what, 6 all weapons?  Colockum/Mission has become an OIL tag.
 Things were okay for about 10 years and IT happened.What was it? would we call it racial discrimination, or just Gregoire, Casino campaign money? DNR Logging ? whatever it is, it has ruined a great area
  In 2008 I attended the March final 3 year season setting Comm. meeting in Ellensburg and commented  I would rather close the area for a couple years than go permit only. Since then it has got no better.  we have been sacrificing  since 1994 for what......
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"Somehow Phill Lancaster from East Wenatchee has got to be stopped. If anyone would like to stop by and talk to him about it, his home address is 45 south June, East wenatchee.  This guy is single handidly destroying the herd.  He isnt helping the deer herds around here either."

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 Now this is only ONE individual! I also hear there is another "problem child" family on the other side of the hump.

 This year at the meeting in Moses lake I will be promoting  Permit only since I hear in an emergency OTC closure to permit only will put the NA's and us on the same level.  Am I wrong on that CE

Rifle: 228 cows x 85% success rate equals 270 cow permits
ML:  52 cows x  40% success rate equals  permits 130 cow permits
Archery: 70 cows x 25% success rate equals 280 cow permits
Total Permits 680


Rifle: 130 bulls x 65% success rate equals 200 Any Bull permits
ML:  30 bulls x 40% success rate equals 75  Any bull permits
Arhcery: 40 bulls x 20% success rate equals 200 Any bull permits.
Total Permits 475
 

They would probably be wise to increase the group size for this particular SP,since there are some large camps up there/OR in our case there are 4 separate families in camp and many of us just love the experience of just being there ,so we would probably put in  in 3-4 smaller groups so that the chances would be better we would have a reason to go at all.
 If not we would certainly invade someone else's area.

 Now as  a 1/2, or 1, or 5 mile buffer around the Art Coffin Game RESERVE ( not refuge or preserve) and all other road closure issues .......Comparing  the roads in the 328/329 and the 251 is definately apples to oranges. In the 251 you have only 2 access roads Colockum Pass and Schaller/Jumpoff with Naneum road connecting them bordering the reserve. There is much more cover on the open side of this road than Colockum pass rd. until you get to the DNR mess beyond 4 corners( which is about 3/8 mile from the reserve.) Hard for bulls to escape if they get out in any of these huge clearcuts.
 
In the four miles between  the monument at Colockum/Naneum junction to the Wood line  at four corners there were (M/R) less than 10 camps. Now lets compare that to the number (Colockum pass) of camps from the the reserve south  toward that steel line. How many, and LARGE camps, and much more wide open flat country. I would estimate  at least five times more camps and hunters,and that's only about a 3 mile distance.
 I suppose you could close the Brewton,and then the Reserve would only have a road on the north border. But as we have read in other threads, that there are some N. A's that don't need a road, or the lands commissioner has passed out keys

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  My idea is permit only (ech!) Colockum. Consider the early/late tag thing again if not permit only.  and figure out whatever it is that can stop the slaughter of our big bulls  by unlicensed untagged hunters who have months to do their damage,and have been for too long.

 Or close it all together for a couple years

 Sorry for all the added history........

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2012, 09:44:53 AM »
i think the whole shutting it down and or going to permit only can be bypassed if they would gate most of the red dot roads,because that will increase bull escapement and improve the health of the herd,and the buffer around the reserve is a must because again its creating that escapement for yearling bulls who get pushed off the reserve by the bigger more dominate bulls

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Re: Colockum Elk Herd (UPDATED)
« Reply #117 on: March 04, 2012, 03:31:40 AM »
Elkaholic dog, Going to permit only will only help if the Yakama tribal council will do something to regulate the tribal hunting in that area. The WDFW doesn't want to go permit only and lose the tag revenue. One thing that might help is closing the whole Colockum, Nanuem and Quillomene areas to any access from December 31st till May 1st. This would keep the tribal harvest down and reduce the harrassment of the wintering animals. One thing to consider also is that wolves are already in the Teanaway, it is a short run for a wolf to get to the rest of the Colockum-Quillomene area. When that happens the problems with this herd are only going to get worse.

 


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