Wolf Packs in Washington

[humanure]

I'm hoping BOTH side realize the. I actually find myself wishing the environmentalists at the wolf meeting would shut the hell up more than the other side.

[Kain]

I dont know why people keep bringing up Yellowstone as an example of why wolves are needed.  THERE WAS NO HUNTING ALLOWED IN YELLOWSTONE.  There is NO OVER GRAZING outside of YS.  Why?  Because of sound game management by hunters.   You still dont get that wolves will replace us.  THAT is the goal and anyone who cant see that needs to open their eyes.  Wolves can live in the national parks without being harassed one bit.  Outside of that they need to be managed...aggressively.  We dont have the use of traps like other states.  There is too much cover for aerial gunning even if they allowed it here. 

I know Dallas believes he is a voice of reason but to the rest of us, it just sound misguided and ignorant.  If I had one shred of faith in the WDFW to ever be able to manage these animals I would be fighting right along side you but this is the real world.  It is better to have no wolves than to have what is coming.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Wolves are pretty amazing animals, that can't be denied.  They are also very mystic.  They are also MUCH more destructive than Disney will ever portray.   Management will need to be done.  It will no doubt need to be more aggressive than one side will want and less aggressive than the otherside.   If we don't work together, we will see an absolute collapse of the environment.  I am hoping the one side realizes that.

Without a doubt wolves are awesome.....in Canada and Alaska.

[humanure]

It is better to have no wolves than to have what is coming.

Thats wear we disagree. Can't make it work by giving up, so some of us move forward to try harder at making the right changes. A nameless friend of mine gave WDFW the perfect plan for wolves and coexistance(of which I won't recant because I don't know the full details) and was ignored because it doesn't play to their popularity/money game. There are two people on the panal wholding us back. They were dead center on the podium at the Spokane wolf meeting. One was an older woman. Those two need to be removed for both sides sake.

[dontgetcrabs]

Why are wolves needed in Washington?  Serious question. I can't think of one legit reason.

[Kain]

It is better to have no wolves than to have what is coming.

Thats wear we disagree. Can't make it work by giving up, so some of us move forward to try harder at making the right changes. A nameless friend of mine gave WDFW the perfect plan for wolves and coexistance(of which I won't recant because I don't know the full details) and was ignored because it doesn't play to their popularity/money game. There are two people on the panal wholding us back. They were dead center on the podium at the Spokane wolf meeting. One was an older woman. Those two need to be removed for both sides sake.

Open your eyes man.  It is not two people on a panel.  It is the entire anti hunter pro wolf agenda that we will be fighting forever.  Endless lawsuits costing millions.  A game department that has shown it will limit seasons based on public opinion and not sound science.  And to top it off there is ZERO chance we can manage wolf populations with the tools we have available.  The entire wolf plan is just a plan to allow management to start.  It is not even a plan on HOW to manage them.  That has not even been written yet.  You are living in a dream world.

[Kain]

Why are wolves needed in Washington?  Serious question. I can't think of one legit reason.

Personally I would like to see wolves returning to old ranges just as I would like to see with moose, lynx, wolverines, fisher cats and a few others.  But as I have already written above the wolves are being used as a tool for an agenda. 

[humanure]

I disagree. In my dreams I am a viking!

I guess I'm just a bit more optimistic. You might be right, you might not be. But I continue to voice what I see wrong with how they are running things and vote where appropriate.

Honestly, I still doubt the agenda of forever banning hunting. In my eyes, thats a pretty far-fetched goal to reach and I don't see it succeeding.

[boneaddict]

Its going to succeed because there won't be an excess of critters.  You'll see several fragile species die out, and others won't have the numbers.  Unfortanately its not like the good ole days where the apex predator starves and then everything reboots, as there is another food source.   No, I am not fearful of two legged critters, but I can guarantee that free range cattle, and other livestock and eventually some folks and most certainly pets will become whats on the menu for tonight.   


I agree Kain

[humanure]

Which is why there needs to be more use of livestock guardian dogs and night shepherds. Theres always a ranch hand looking for work, and I've seen it offered for the position of watching over herds at night.

[Kain]

Which is why there needs to be more use of livestock guardian dogs and night shepherds. Theres always a ranch hand looking for work, and I've seen it offered for the position of watching over herds at night.

I think you misunderstood.  They will turn to livestock and pets more and more AFTER there is no more game.  No more game means no more hunting or very limited opportunity for the rich.

[humanure]

Again, precautionary measures to prevent success in that.

[Huntbear]

Again, precautionary measures to prevent success in that.

Agree... by shooting every wolf I can.  Idaho has it right.. 150 wolves for the entire state.. wipe out half the population in 1 hunting season, and make seasons even more liberal for the coming season.  Washington needs about 50 wolves.  Maybe 5 total packs, and heavily managed with hunting seasons. 

Otherwise, our hunting heritage with be a history that will be distorted by the liberals like all other history they disagree with.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Again, precautionary measures to prevent success in that.

You're kidding right?  It clear that you have absolutely no idea how to manage animals.  A night shepard???  DO you know how big the FS leases are and how spread out the cattle are on that range?  How in the hell are you proposing they 'shepard' their animals?? 
I'm pretty critical of public land grazing, but the idea of hiring a ranch hand to babysit the cattle on range is totally ignorant.  How many dogs do you suppose it's going to take to protect 600 cattle sprinkled over 15 square miles?  What are they going to be eating all summer? 

Ideas like that sound good to people that haven't a clue about what's happening in the forests.

[Huntbear]

Again, precautionary measures to prevent success in that.

You're kidding right?  It clear that you have absolutely no idea how to manage animals.  A night shepard???  DO you know how big the FS leases are and how spread out the cattle are on that range?  How in the hell are you proposing they 'shepard' their animals?? 
I'm pretty critical of public land grazing, but the idea of hiring a ranch hand to babysit the cattle on range is totally ignorant.  How many dogs do you suppose it's going to take to protect 600 cattle sprinkled over 15 square miles?  What are they going to be eating all summer? 

Ideas like that sound good to people that haven't a clue about what's happening in the forests.