Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 01:52:03 PM
Accord to reports coming forth, a man was attacked by a female wolf at Harts Pass. The guy attacked shot the wolf and turned it in to WDFW.
Rumor has it there is a rather large wolf pack in the area, funny how WDFW failed to mention this info to the public.
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 24, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
Post by: X-Force on September 24, 2013, 01:57:34 PM
Post by: jrebel on September 24, 2013, 01:58:17 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Is there any chance of an official story? Was it a hunter or hiker?
I just found out about it yesterday, and did some running around, quite sure WDFW won't be reporting this if they aren't forced to.
Any news we get will be updated here.
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 03:07:37 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 24, 2013, 03:17:55 PM
Is there any chance of an official story? Was it a hunter or hiker?
I hope to hell it was a greenie wolf lover............. Hot dang, I have my fat sausage sized fingers crossed that it is !!!!! Karma is a great.
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2013, 04:43:08 PM
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 24, 2013, 05:01:07 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 24, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
Wheres harts pass?
West of Twisp on the North Cascade highway.
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 05:07:02 PM
Wheres harts pass?
Look it up on google earth. :tup:
Post by: mountainman on September 24, 2013, 05:12:19 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 24, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: mulehunter on September 24, 2013, 05:21:46 PM
Post by: villageidiot on September 24, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on September 24, 2013, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: saylean on September 24, 2013, 06:48:23 PM
Post by: 3Under on September 24, 2013, 07:01:43 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 07:43:35 PM
I was at Hart's Pass this weekend. Didn't hear anything about this incident, but there were two WDFW rigs with 3 or 4 officers there all day on Sat. I figured they were checking on the high buck hunt.
Probably trying to figure out a new story.
How do eight wolves on the valley floor make it to Harts Pass, attack person and make it back the same day?
Post by: JJB11B on September 24, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 07:55:57 PM
Federal Bio told me the guy was from the West Side and was a hunter. Since he was supposedly being attacked I ask if it was shot from the front and he said "No it was shot from the side". Since we only have 2 wolves in the Methow Valley (the lookout pack) it appears we now only have one. Since this one was a female we will be out of wolves in short order. The lookout pack really roams around since the Harts Pass area is about 30 miles as the crow flies from where they killed a deer (confirmed by WDFW last week). They only have to cross about 3 paved roads a state highway and multiple county roads to get to Harts Pass. I trust WDFW's figures so I know for sure the lookout pack is down to ONE. They would never lie and I believe that. Although , I did see something about 3 new pups. They may go hungry. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
According to the USFWS, the person must die, for it to be considered a wolf attack.
As we have seen in the past, reporting wolf problems only creates more lies from WDFW> It would be better for Andy and WDFW if the person being attacked did not survive. Then it could be blamed on a cougar, coyotes or heart attack.
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on September 24, 2013, 08:05:17 PM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/usfws-looking-into-wolf-incident-in-western-okanogan-county/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/usfws-looking-into-wolf-incident-in-western-okanogan-county/)
That's really a lame story. So full of holes, and overall just seems dis-jointed.
Post by: mkcj on September 24, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 24, 2013, 08:53:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
Why would anyone mention they had an encounter with a wolf after they shot it ?? :dunno: I sure know I wouldn't ! :yeah:
Because that's what people do to keep on the up and up.
Post by: 6x6in6 on September 24, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
:yeah:Why would anyone mention they had an encounter with a wolf after they shot it ?? :dunno: I sure know I wouldn't ! :yeah:
Because that's what people do to keep on the up and up.
Wouldn't it kind of suck Bowhunter to be "that guy" on the People on Cam's thread. :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 24, 2013, 09:01:58 PM
Post by: mkcj on September 24, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 24, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
Didn't it use to be against the reg's to carry a handgun a few years ago while bowhunting?10 -4 :yike:
Post by: snowpack on September 24, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
Didn't it use to be against the reg's to carry a handgun a few years ago while bowhunting?changed a few years ago...can carry a firearm when archery or muzzy hunting now.
Post by: wolfbait on September 24, 2013, 09:56:09 PM
Why would anyone mention they had an encounter with a wolf after they shot it ?? :dunno: I sure know I wouldn't ! :yeah:
Because that's what people do to keep on the up and up.
Wouldn't be nice if WDFW was honest? But then if they were honest we wouldn't be in this mess would we?
Post by: snowpack on September 24, 2013, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: Jingles on September 24, 2013, 10:09:51 PM
Post by: adictd2hunting on September 24, 2013, 10:42:54 PM
Post by: mkcj on September 24, 2013, 10:51:53 PM
\Didn't it use to be against the reg's to carry a handgun a few years ago while bowhunting?changed a few years ago...can carry a firearm when archery or muzzy hunting now.
They will probably change it back after this, if it was a bow hunter :bash: wouldn't want them to be able to protect themselves.
Post by: seth30 on September 25, 2013, 04:10:25 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 25, 2013, 06:40:53 AM
Uh-huh. :rolleyes:
Post by: Mulieman on September 25, 2013, 07:09:38 AM
Post by: Axle on September 25, 2013, 07:15:47 AM
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In another 10yrs they will not need to observe anything ...they will be like seeing coyotes ....Guess I best get to loading up some hot loads now so I AM READY ... ;) :dunno:
Uh..... - BH,......what about using a Wasp? :chuckle:
Post by: KevinClimbs on September 25, 2013, 11:25:04 AM
I was at Hart's Pass this weekend. Didn't hear anything about this incident, but there were two WDFW rigs with 3 or 4 officers there all day on Sat. I figured they were checking on the high buck hunt.
Same here. Saw the officers and the rigs but heard nothing of the incident.
Post by: predatorpro on September 25, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
Post by: hntrspud on September 25, 2013, 05:05:39 PM
Post by: Okano-gun on September 25, 2013, 05:39:34 PM
\Didn't it use to be against the reg's to carry a handgun a few years ago while bowhunting?changed a few years ago...can carry a firearm when archery or muzzy hunting now.
They will probably change it back after this, if it was a bow hunter :bash: wouldn't want them to be able to protect themselves.
The High Hunt was open, I bet he was rifle hunting.
Post by: Birdguy on September 25, 2013, 07:35:18 PM
wish there was some more info....I'm betting the guy was sick, weak, old or all the above.
:yeah: I think we need to really evaluate this guy (the victim)....they have trained dogs to detect sick people (with diseases and such) I bet this wolf was trying to get Obamacare off on the right start. Maybe this guy has a serious medical condition and this wolf was trying to do us all a favor :rolleyes:.
Seriously I hope we get a lot more info on this entire situation, some truth either way would be helpful.
Post by: villageidiot on September 25, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
This is what happened 4 years ago to some Twisp ranchers. The only people that know the truth is their own friends and the newspapers that refuse to tell the truth. May God have mercy on this good mans soul.
Post by: wolfbait on September 26, 2013, 08:42:31 AM
This isn't the first wolf/human attacks in the Methow or the rest of WA for that matter. As we have already seen in the past, when such incidents happen and the public is informed, WDFW down play the attack.
There have been several attacks in Idaho, where the USFWS are famous for hiding the truth from the public.
Wolf/human encounters like this will continue to get worse as wolves run out of prey, and become more habitual, wolves that have not been hunted in 18 years, have been hauled around in trucks etc. for release.
WDFW and USFWS will continue to hide the impact wolves are having on livestock, wildlife and people.
Post by: LRP on September 26, 2013, 09:36:13 AM
Post by: Northway on September 26, 2013, 09:42:14 AM
Great story, it makes for really great entertainment. There really is no conspiracy to hide the truth. Until the investigation is complete, WDFW cannot release anything. You all know that. At that point the feds and federal prosecutors have to review the reports given to them by WDFW. The shooter has to be interviewed numerous times to get the truth. He will have to consult his attorney numerous times, if he can reach him, just ask the Twisp rancher. As far as wolves, I thought everyone knew of the Hozemeen pack along Ross lake. Been there for years. Outfitters up there have reported them.
If the hunter was hospitalized, that information would probably already have hit this site. It would be nearly impossible to keep an attack that required hospitalization under wraps once the hospital knew the person checking in had been attacked by a wolf. That's big news, and contrary to conspiracy theories, the media loves a good, real animal attack - great for ratings.
Post by: Ice Cap on September 26, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on September 26, 2013, 10:54:27 AM
I don't think this case has anything in common with the Twisp rancher that trapped and killed the wolves.
Post by: MADMAX on September 26, 2013, 11:06:43 AM
Hollywood but you get the idea, dont give them an inch
:twocents:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on September 26, 2013, 11:19:31 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 26, 2013, 11:28:26 AM
Many people are afraid of their own shadow. As much as I hate wolves, and actually have been hunted and stalked by them, just because you see the damn thing it doesn't mean he is going to eat you. :chuckle: I wonder if you guys realize how many cats you walk by in the woods if you'd even get out of the truck.
Post by: MADMAX on September 26, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
I call predators and have called in many cats, connected on one cougar, harder than you think to get the drop on them in timber.
very sneaky.
This website does make me concerned for the wildlife and livestock though.
http://www.saveelk.com/ (http://www.saveelk.com/)
Post by: boneaddict on September 26, 2013, 11:38:08 AM
Post by: LRP on September 26, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 26, 2013, 02:29:38 PM
Post by: Bill W on September 26, 2013, 02:35:28 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 26, 2013, 02:37:57 PM
The Gray 2012 Blizmovie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6_amp_Dbuc#ws)
Hollywood but you get the idea, dont give them an inch
:twocents:
One of the truly worst movies of all time.
Post by: bracer40 on September 26, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
Asked this big, kind of tough looking guy why he'd need to have a sidearm to do such a simple task. Mentioned I've gone into many kill sites over the years, often in the dark and by my lonesome. Never carried a sidearm.
His reply: cougars, bears & now wolves.
I had to laugh!
Post by: BIGINNER on September 26, 2013, 02:46:55 PM
I had some fun with a fellow we ran into this year who had just arrowed his first elk. He mentioned something about wanting to go back to his killsite to look for part of his arrow but chose not to "because he didn't have his sidearm with him."
Asked this big, kind of tough looking guy why he'd need to have a sidearm to do such a simple task. Mentioned I've gone into many kill sites over the years, often in the dark and by my lonesome. Never carried a sidearm.
His reply: cougars, bears & now wolves.
I had to laugh!
I don't see how that is funny. :dunno: :dunno:
I've never had a close encounter with a predator before, but I would never go into the forest especially close to dark without protection.
it's not that i'm scared, but i'm just being careful. i'd rather have a weapon and not need it, than need it and not have it.
I have a wife and kids at home that depend on me being healthy, so I wouldn't take a risk of being attacked (as small of a risk as it is) and not being able to defend myself.
same reason I always carry a gun wile not hunting as well.
Post by: LRP on September 26, 2013, 05:27:38 PM
The Methow pack is the Lookout Pack. But there is another pack at the north end of Ross Lake into the Pasayten, its known as the Hozomeen pack. Not sure when the designation came about.
Post by: wolfbait on September 26, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
Question: When did it get the designation Hozomeen pack?
The Methow pack is the Lookout Pack. But there is another pack at the north end of Ross Lake into the Pasayten, its known as the Hozomeen pack. Not sure when the designation came about.
But weren't we told by WDFW that the Lookout pack was the first confirmed wolf pack in 70 years?
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2013, 07:02:14 PM
I had some fun with a fellow we ran into this year who had just arrowed his first elk. He mentioned something about wanting to go back to his killsite to look for part of his arrow but chose not to "because he didn't have his sidearm with him."
Asked this big, kind of tough looking guy why he'd need to have a sidearm to do such a simple task. Mentioned I've gone into many kill sites over the years, often in the dark and by my lonesome. Never carried a sidearm.
His reply: cougars, bears & now wolves.
I had to laugh!
that was me too, but it ain't no more.
Post by: LRP on September 26, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 26, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
THey are more efficient killers than wolves by far. In fact I know of multiple instances where the wolves adapt to letting the cat make a kill then the wolves run the cats off, and they have to go kill again. Idabooner watched this for two winters from his front porch. Thankfully cats seem to show more fear than wolves do. That's the part that bothers me about wolves.
You would be lucky to have a cat kill you verses a wolf or wolves. And like Bone said, many people never see the predator that could have had you for lunch. I have also seen where cats made the kill and wolves drove them off.
But what many people are failing to remember is that the lower 48 got rid of wolves for a reason, and we have not had problems with them until the illegal wolf introduction. So now 18 years later we now know what wolves have done and will do.
In Idaho the USFWS refuse to investigate wolf attacks, with no documentation, the incident never happened, sounds a lot like WDFW. Here is an example from a friend in central Idaho: My note to her: There have been several close calls involving wolves stalking people and false attacks in the Methow Valley, the ones that are made public, WDFW plays down. It's just a matter of time and someone will be killed.
And her reply: Same here back before we could have a hunting season. Most were never reported, since the FWS would not respond. Except once. A lady had her expensive stud dog eaten right in front of her. They sent in a government trapper and took out the only collared wolf in the area. So then we had no collars, so therefore no wolves - weird logic. And their wolf "expert" Cater Niemyer said there had never been a documented attack on a horse. Hell, we had all kinds of attacks up here, but they didn't count if the FWS refused to document them! Unless you are raising animals for money, it doesn't count and no compensation. Pets included. Since the lady was a dog breeder, I think she got a little money.
Some of us in Wa knew what wolves would do to our game herds, livestock, and how they would affect the people from reports coming out of ID, MT and Wyoming.
How many people thought WDFW would protect our game herds? How many pro-wolf people did WDFW put on the wolf working group? Actually it would be easier to count how many people were against an uncontrolled wolf population.
The bottom line here is, people who live where wolves are plentiful, are learning to always go armed. And if you have to shoot a wolf make damn sure you put a round in the chest, or WDFW and the USFWS will crawl up your -ss.
Post by: wolfbait on September 26, 2013, 09:23:59 PM
Wolfbait, your right about the Lookout Pack. The Hozomeen pack is a Canadian pack. It dens in Canada but right on the edge of the US. So it wanders into the Pasayten and is now down to Harts Pass. Or maybe its a lone wolf wandering or was it a member of new pack thats not yet known. But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter? Lots of questions.
Bull chit, but nice try.
Rare Wolf Pups To Be Isolated, Photographed
Times Staff: Times News Services
Wildlife biologists hope to capture the first wolf pups known to have been born in Washington in decades - but only on film from unmanned, infrared cameras set up near the den site in the North Cascades.
State and federal biologists in May located the gray wolf den containing pups by howling at them and getting distinctive barks and howls in return. It is the first confirmation in 15 years that wolves are living in Washington, says Harriet Allen, state biologist.
More importantly, she said, ``it's the first wolf den, first indication of breeding since the early 1900s. We've always thought there were transient wolves in the Cascades based on tracks.''
Biologists will not attempt to get close enough to see the den in the Hozomeen area of Ross Lake National Recreation Area for another month for fear of disturbing the she-wolf and causing her to move her pups.The road into the Hozomeen has been closed to all traffic until June 14.
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By the way what does Harriet Allen do now?
In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/ (http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/)
Post by: wolfbait on September 26, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
Post by: wolfbait on September 27, 2013, 12:12:50 AM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/usfws-looking-into-wolf-incident-in-western-okanogan-county/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/usfws-looking-into-wolf-incident-in-western-okanogan-county/)
That's really a lame story. So full of holes, and overall just seems dis-jointed.
“We are aware of the incident. We are looking into it. We have no further comment at this time,” said Doug Zimmer at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service’s office in Lacey."
Does anyone here remember Doug Zimmer? Do I need to post the picture of the cow again? Both WDFW and the USFWS lied about the Golden Doe cow, and they never mentioned the new calf she had on her when the wolves killed her.
“By the time we got to the carcass it was too old for me to say yay or nay if it was killed by a wolf,” said Scott Fitkin, wildlife biologist with the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. “It was clearly fed on by something, but not much was left but a lot of maggots.” Fitkin and a USDA Wildlife Services agent inspected the carcass on Friday (May 22).
http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom/press-clips/proof-of-wolf-kill-may-elude-investigators (http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom/press-clips/proof-of-wolf-kill-may-elude-investigators)
When experts examined the decomposing cow May 22, it had been so worked over by scavengers that there was little left but hide and hip bones.
Even so, "there was nothing about the carcass to indicate that wolves had anything to do with it," said Doug Zimmer, a spokesman for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
http://s22.postimage.org/g3dw9lb1t/WDFW_s_Released_Wolves_kill_a_cow_and_calf.png (http://s22.postimage.org/g3dw9lb1t/WDFW_s_Released_Wolves_kill_a_cow_and_calf.png)[/img]
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Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2013, 05:47:19 AM
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But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?
They have been wintering right above Lundgrens and on Ramsey and that general area.
Post by: bearpaw on September 27, 2013, 07:27:57 AM
It seems far to obvious that many infatuated agency employees, biologists, and managers will do anything to hide the number of wolves in Washington. Wolves mean easy money for WDFW from the wolf lovers and federal government. Too bad WDFW is so short sighted and cannot see how the wolf dollars have dried up in other states and now decreased license sales plague those agencies.
I'm sorry to say I don't trust any of the people responsible for destroying the greatest hunting in the west and the North American wildlife management model that was the envy of the world. It seems these infatuated agency personnel will lie and hide the truth to promote and protect their beloved wolves. These same wolf worshippers within our agencies do not care what happens to our game herds, it seems they would prefer that wolves cause a reduction in game herds and hunting opportunity. The only reason many packs in this state are even documented is probably due to the pressure by hunters, ranchers, and other people who are concerned about our game herds, livestock, human safety, and rural economies.
I strongly support the sustainable management of all our wildlife and have strongly supported our wildlife agencies in the past, but the handling of the Canadian Wolf Introduction in the west including the use of false information from wolf groups, ignored and/or hidden facts about wolves during the development of wolf plans, has destroyed much of the faith I had in our agencies. It seems that hunters, ranchers, and anyone wanting equitable management for all wildlife should carefully consider who can be trusted to balance wildlife management equally for all species within our agencies and work to eliminate untrustworthy agency personnel.
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 27, 2013, 07:38:56 AM
Post by: buckfvr on September 27, 2013, 07:40:44 AM
I wish we, the tax payers could fire every last one of them. :twocents:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 27, 2013, 08:40:17 AM
Wolfbait, your right about the Lookout Pack. The Hozomeen pack is a Canadian pack. It dens in Canada but right on the edge of the US. So it wanders into the Pasayten and is now down to Harts Pass. Or maybe its a lone wolf wandering or was it a member of new pack thats not yet known. But another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter? Lots of questions.
Bull chit, but nice try.
Rare Wolf Pups To Be Isolated, Photographed
Times Staff: Times News Services
Wildlife biologists hope to capture the first wolf pups known to have been born in Washington in decades - but only on film from unmanned, infrared cameras set up near the den site in the North Cascades.
State and federal biologists in May located the gray wolf den containing pups by howling at them and getting distinctive barks and howls in return. It is the first confirmation in 15 years that wolves are living in Washington, says Harriet Allen, state biologist.
More importantly, she said, ``it's the first wolf den, first indication of breeding since the early 1900s. We've always thought there were transient wolves in the Cascades based on tracks.''
Biologists will not attempt to get close enough to see the den in the Hozomeen area of Ross Lake National Recreation Area for another month for fear of disturbing the she-wolf and causing her to move her pups.The road into the Hozomeen has been closed to all traffic until June 14.
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By the way what does Harriet Allen do now?
In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/ (http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/)
If my memory is right these wolves are actually gray wolves, not like the ones they brought down from way up north.
They have been in that area for a long time, in the early 90's the Park Service had a ranger winter over in Hozomeen to study them. I have talked with her about it at get to gethers I have attended at the park.
Post by: bearpaw on September 27, 2013, 08:57:32 AM
According to WDFW the lookout pack was the first wolves in many years. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 27, 2013, 09:01:28 AM
:dunno:
According to WDFW the lookout pack was the first wolves in many years. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
They lie like a rug! Of course we all know this! :chuckle:
Post by: stocmamu on September 27, 2013, 09:49:04 AM
"Pasayten Wolf Mortality: Biologist Fitkin and U.S. Forest Service (USFS) Biologist Rohrer assisted Officers Christensen, McCormick and Treser with an investigation of a wolf killed by a hunter in the Pasayten Wilderness. The animal appeared to be a young, uncollared adult female in good condition. We have not previously verified wolf activity in this portion of the wilderness area and don’t know if the animal is part of an active pack or a solo wanderer. The circumstances of the animal’s death remain under investigation."
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
:dunno:
According to WDFW the lookout pack was the first wolves in many years. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
What a crock
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: wolfbait on September 27, 2013, 12:09:32 PM
:dunno:
According to WDFW the lookout pack was the first wolves in many years. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
What a crock
First wolf pack in 70 years, and Oregon came out with their own first wolf pack in 70 years the very same day. What a shock.
Post by: Alchase on September 27, 2013, 12:25:37 PM
QuoteBut another question is, if it is a new pack, where will they go come winter?
They have been wintering right above Lundgrens and on Ramsey and that general area.
Seriously? :bash:
Right smack in the burn.
That sucks >:(
"A single female with no known pack affiliation"
Funny how the talk about wolves in the same manner used for gang bangers. :rolleyes:
And just like gang bangers, if they admit she belongs to a pack, they would have to explain which pack they have a problem with. :hello:
They sound just like Mayor McCheese from Seattle, "we have no gang problem" :puke:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on September 27, 2013, 12:54:51 PM
Post by: mulehunter on September 27, 2013, 01:32:18 PM
:peep:
Post by: Northway on September 27, 2013, 01:51:29 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Post by: Northway on September 27, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
You can bet anything that comes out of Fitkins mouth is skewed. It's amazing what they do to cover things up or story fit their adgenda.
I've met Scott and my impression was that he's more interested in wolverines than wolves.
I'd bet a beer that the insults directed his way on Hunt WA are tame compared to what he hears from the Okanagan County Commissioners.
Post by: mkcj on September 27, 2013, 02:12:17 PM
Post by: mountainman on September 27, 2013, 03:54:56 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
LOL! Yep, too many of us have moved away from the Methow my friend!
Post by: AspenBud on September 27, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
Post by: MtnMuley on September 27, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
You can bet anything that comes out of Fitkins mouth is skewed. It's amazing what they do to cover things up or story fit their adgenda.
I've met Scott and my impression was that he's more interested in wolverines than wolves.
I'd bet a beer that the insults directed his way on Hunt WA are tame compared to what he hears from the Okanagan County Commissioners.
LOL......you should have seen him at the meeting last night with the commissioners there and the WDFW director, Phil Anderson. Let's just say he sat quietly away from the crowd. ;) You are right though. He definately cares more about the wolverines than the wolves, but cares ten times more about the wolves than he does the local muley populations and their health. >:(
Post by: mountainman on September 27, 2013, 05:33:42 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
Do you mean dropped down or "dropped off"? The ones around here have been un-arguebly "dropped off"....
Post by: seth30 on September 27, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 27, 2013, 06:53:13 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on September 27, 2013, 07:07:21 PM
LolShort version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
Do you mean dropped down or "dropped off"? The ones around here have been un-arguebly "dropped off"....
Unarguably? Highly doubtful
Post by: sakoshooter on September 29, 2013, 02:06:03 PM
Honestly, I'd have done the same thing and X'd my fingers for no consequences. Just like Jackeleope said - it's the right thing to do. Maybe if more folks did this, the public would realize just how many wolves are out there and how detrimental they are to the rest of the wildlife.Why would anyone mention they had an encounter with a wolf after they shot it ?? :dunno: I sure know I wouldn't ! :yeah:
Because that's what people do to keep on the up and up.
Post by: JLS on September 30, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
I believe that British Columbia has a 3 wolf limit per hunter, per season.
Post by: ghosthunter on September 30, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Why would anyone mention they had an encounter with a wolf after they shot it ?? :dunno: I sure know I wouldn't ! :yeah:
I would bet someone else seen what happen. Not knowing if they are pro or anti you would have to report it. Because if you did not and they did, your self defense story would be down the tube :twocents:
Post by: Special T on September 30, 2013, 01:17:29 PM
Yet they have also used arial gunning to thin the herd of wolves. Especially in the inland part of BC.Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
I believe that British Columbia has a 3 wolf limit per hunter, per season.
Post by: Northway on September 30, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
Short version of whats up.... there have been wolves in the Pasayten for a long time. My question is how all of a sudden, an animal that has been kept in check and hasn't been a problem is all of a sudden pert near as plentiful as pocket gophers. Fewer rednecks taking care of business I guess.
That's an interesting observation that I've also wondered about for multiple years now. It's rarely discussed, though.
According to DNA samples, some/most of the wolves currently in the North Cascades have dropped down from BC, and more specifically, DNA from wolves in both the Lookout and Teanaway Packs indicate they or their ancestors dropped down from what is considered the coastal region of BC.
It's my understanding that in certain regions of southern BC, wolf activity has increased over the last decade. If that is true, I believe it has had a significant impact on packs forming with a higher frequency in the North Cascades.
Have hunting practices regarding wolves in BC changed in that time? That would explain that I suspect. We don't have a very big hunting community in WA and I have a hard time believing it would have had that much of an impact since most don't hunt where the wolves have been up that way. But if BC wolves haven't been hunted like they used to be I don't think it would be too surprising to see the population we do now. Particularly with the population from Idaho et al coming in from the east at the same time.
I haven't done the research to answer that question. In my opinion, it could be a combination of factors not limited to hunting, trapping, and management actions by the Canadian version of Animal Damage & Control. Up until the 1970's there were aggressive control programs that nearly eradicated wolves in significant portions of the BC Southern Rockies, Southern Coastal Range, & Vancouver Island. As the control actions subsided in intensity, they began to migrate southwards in greater numbers again.
Currently, the migration corridor I think I remember being mentioned was about the west end of Skagit Valley Provincial Park roughly to somewhere to the west of the Similkameen River. Numbers then thin out or disappear until you hit the Selkirks.
Post by: wolfbait on September 30, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
The USFWS can draw a line on a map showing a wolf traveling 50,000 miles in a few weeks and people who know nothing except what they read or see on TV will believe.
Post by: mountainman on September 30, 2013, 09:12:25 PM
The largest migration routes have been in USFWS horse trailers, transported to WDFW trucks etc.:yeah:
The USFWS can draw a line on a map showing a wolf traveling 50,000 miles in a few weeks and people who know nothing except what they read or see on TV will believe.
Post by: mkcj on September 30, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Gray-wolf-killed-in-Okanogan-County-225892751.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Gray-wolf-killed-in-Okanogan-County-225892751.html)
I just checked it is out on the associated press web site.
Your not getting the whole story, the first report was that the wolf was attacking them and they shot it. They just happened to leave that part out. Fed's are going to threaten this guy with every charge they can think of and in return for the hunter remaining quiet about what happened (wolf attack) this will quietly go away. You know this will be true when you don't hear the wolf lover's screaming for the mans head because the last thing they want is the wolf's image be tarnished
Post by: villageidiot on October 01, 2013, 04:43:35 PM
Post by: Special T on October 02, 2013, 07:54:36 AM
Post by: winshooter88 on October 02, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: denali on October 02, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
By Ann McCreary
A deer hunter shot and killed an endangered gray wolf north of Harts Pass last month, according to state and federal wildlife officials who are investigating the incident.
The hunter, who lives in the western part of the state, told state wildlife officials that he shot the wolf, an adult female, because he felt threatened.
“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
The hunter called WDFW on Sept. 20 to report shooting the wolf, which is protected under federal law as an endangered species. Wolves in the western two-thirds of Washington state (west of Highway 97) are listed as a federally endangered, while wolves in the eastern one-third were removed from federal protection in 2011. Wolves throughout Washington are protected under state law as an endangered species.
Because the wolf was killed in an area of the Pasayten Wilderness where wolves are under federal protection, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) officials are leading the investigation and collaborating with state officials, said spokesman Doug Zimmer.
Capt. Chris Anderson, of WDFW enforcement, said a group of four state and federal wildlife officials hiked on Sept. 22 to the site where the hunter reported shooting the wolf. He said the animal was a healthy adult female without a radio collar, and had been shot twice.
Christensen, who supervises wildlife enforcement for Okanogan and north Douglas counties, said he spoke with the hunter on the phone. The man said he was participating in the high buck hunt and was about five miles north of Slate Peak, not far from Silver Lake, when the wolf was shot on Sept. 19.
Christensen said the man was hunting with three companions from western Washington, but was alone when he encountered and shot the wolf. He called WDFW to “self-report” the next day, Christensen said.
Wildlife officials examined the dead wolf, took tissue samples and brought the hide back for examination and evidence, Christensen said. “There is no evidence” that the wolf is one of the wolves that has been monitored in the Lookout Pack territory, west of Twisp.
“We are assuming it was a lone female on a road trip,” Christensen said. “We have dispersing females just like we’ve had dispersing males. There were no signs of other members” of a pack, he said.
It will be up to federal investigators to determine if criminal charges related to killing an endangered species are warranted, said Christensen.
http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/10/02/hunter-kills-gray-wolf-in-pasayten-wilderness-area/ (http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/10/02/hunter-kills-gray-wolf-in-pasayten-wilderness-area/)
Post by: bobcat on October 02, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
how do we find out who this person is so that we can reach out and offer some support?
:yeah:
And maybe we can raise some money and give him a reward. :IBCOOL:
Post by: wolfbait on October 02, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
Christensen needs to drop down into the Methow and check out all the dispersing wolves, he shouldn't have any trouble finding wolves in Lime Cr, Fawn Cr, Gold Cr, Cow Cr, Benson Cr, Boulder Cr, Black Canyon, Finley Canyon, and if that isn't close enough he can always go up Alder Cr just out of Twisp and howl a few in, or go trapping with his buddies up Poorman Cr.
Post by: mulehunter on October 02, 2013, 08:53:15 PM
:yeah:
Post by: wolfbait on October 02, 2013, 09:03:01 PM
Post by: mulehunter on October 02, 2013, 09:21:23 PM
Post by: mkcj on October 02, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
Post by: wolfbait on October 02, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on October 02, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Post by: Ice Cap on October 03, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
Even the Methow paper is spinning this story, from the article they posted it say's "The hunter, who lives in the western part of the state, told state wildlife officials that he shot the wolf, an adult female, because he felt threatened." Yet when you go to the front page of the paper the headline reads "ENDANGERED WOLF IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME ACCIDENTALLY KILLED BY HUNTER" is it really that hard to tell what truth is this was no accident he killed it because he felt threatened so unless you read the story you just think some person just shot a wolf for whatever reason. :bash:
I sent a letter to the reporter that wrote that article questioning that misleading bit on the front page!
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
Wolves have also been seen recently up Bear Cr, / Beaver Cr. So If WDFW really wanted to start confirming wolf packs their supply is unlimited.
Campmeat and I saw a wolf this morning up Bear Cr., I wonder if it was a "Dispersing"
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 03, 2013, 02:59:45 PM
I wonder if someone will have to be killed by wolves before WDFW pulls head out of ass?
That won't help unless it's a greenie and they don't spend any time in the woods.
Post by: bobcat on October 03, 2013, 03:00:49 PM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on October 03, 2013, 03:04:06 PM
But wolfbait, even if they "pulled their head out," what do you think could they change so that there would be zero chance of a person ever being hurt by a wolf?
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Once we start killing them regularly, they'll develop a healthy fear and the chances will decrease greatly. Of course, that won't happen until we have about 1,000 more some 4 years hence.
Post by: Ice Cap on October 03, 2013, 03:12:02 PM
“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
I'm not totally convinced but from that quote from Sgt. Christensen it sounds like the Sgt. believes the hunter didn't do anything wrong.
Any non emotional intelligent input on that?
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2013, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2013, 03:17:10 PM
I wonder if someone will have to be killed by wolves before WDFW pulls head out of ass?
That won't help unless it's a greenie and they don't spend any time in the woods.
:chuckle: What we saw today were mostly greenies, and I mean real green. You need to remember this is the Methow Valley.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 03, 2013, 03:17:14 PM
From the article in the Methow Valley News:
“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
I'm not totally convinced but from that quote from Sgt. Christensen it sounds like the Sgt. believes the hunter didn't do anything wrong.
Any non emotional intelligent input on that?
HAHAHA.... "Non emotional intelligent input" is not allowed on wolf threads. ;)
Post by: Ice Cap on October 03, 2013, 03:18:15 PM
From the article in the Methow Valley News:
“He felt he was in danger. He acted in self defense,” said Sgt. Dan Christensen of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).
I'm not totally convinced but from that quote from Sgt. Christensen it sounds like the Sgt. believes the hunter didn't do anything wrong.
Any non emotional intelligent input on that?
HAHAHA.... "Non emotional intelligent input" is not allowed on wolf threads. ;)
:chuckle:
Post by: JJB11B on October 03, 2013, 03:26:38 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 03, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
Post by: hirshey on October 03, 2013, 10:27:17 PM
It really bothers me that the govt. thinks that it has to investigate someone who killed a wolf in self defense? they act like that animal is human. My opinion, If a wolf gets close enough for me to kill it with my sidearm while I am hunting then I am in danger and in fear for my life and well being and should have the right to take appropriate action to defend myself
With my wolf encounter, I was told unless I had bite marks on me I would have been in trouble. It will be interesting to get the entire story someday. Carter (author or Wolfer) is already spinning up the emotions on his Facebook page.. I'll say the same thing I did on his page in response to all his North Carolina and California followers:
"As someone who has had more than one encounter with wolves in that geographical area and come out of a particularly tense encounter with these predators unharmed (both the wolves and myself), I grimace at these remarks. Most of you are quick to condemn a person to harsh penalties with very little to no information yet provided. Most of you have probably only seen wolves in photographs or enclosures, and certainly a rare few can speak of feeling threatened by a wild animal to an extreme level. Shame on you for even trying to pretend you would or could put yourself in that gentleman's shoes. He could have.. He should have.. None of us have the full story just yet, but if my encounter (and another friend's since) is any indication, this particular geographic area has demonstrated an unhealthy level of habituation and lack of respect of boundaries for human-wolf interactions.
http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/ (http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/)
Old article but many of Carter's colleagues are cited as well as him.. Wolves that have become unwary of humans should be a large concern for everyone; for public safety as well as wolf recovery. With potentially that type of behavior being exhibited, it sets your cause back leaps and bounds. This is a sad day for everyone. At least he didn't just shoot it and leave it.. Perhaps he was trying to do what he felt was right. Again, ringing the alarm a little prematurely on this one Carter. Emotional journalism warfare at it's finest."
Post by: wolfbait on October 04, 2013, 04:20:47 AM
I liked the greenie painting on the side of the road we drove by today. He was a real go-getter for sure...
Camp, I finally got a hold of the range riders and the rancher, he told me of four wolves seen in Beaver cr yesterday, so the three you thought you saw above the one wolf was probably the same bunch. He also reported these wolves to the joke we call WDFW
Post by: wolfbait on October 04, 2013, 04:49:59 AM
It really bothers me that the govt. thinks that it has to investigate someone who killed a wolf in self defense? they act like that animal is human. My opinion, If a wolf gets close enough for me to kill it with my sidearm while I am hunting then I am in danger and in fear for my life and well being and should have the right to take appropriate action to defend myself
With my wolf encounter, I was told unless I had bite marks on me I would have been in trouble. It will be interesting to get the entire story someday. Carter (author or Wolfer) is already spinning up the emotions on his Facebook page.. I'll say the same thing I did on his page in response to all his North Carolina and California followers:
"As someone who has had more than one encounter with wolves in that geographical area and come out of a particularly tense encounter with these predators unharmed (both the wolves and myself), I grimace at these remarks. Most of you are quick to condemn a person to harsh penalties with very little to no information yet provided. Most of you have probably only seen wolves in photographs or enclosures, and certainly a rare few can speak of feeling threatened by a wild animal to an extreme level. Shame on you for even trying to pretend you would or could put yourself in that gentleman's shoes. He could have.. He should have.. None of us have the full story just yet, but if my encounter (and another friend's since) is any indication, this particular geographic area has demonstrated an unhealthy level of habituation and lack of respect of boundaries for human-wolf interactions.
http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/ (http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2009/aug/30/wolf-hunting-just-one-facet-of-management-experts/)
Old article but many of Carter's colleagues are cited as well as him.. Wolves that have become unwary of humans should be a large concern for everyone; for public safety as well as wolf recovery. With potentially that type of behavior being exhibited, it sets your cause back leaps and bounds. This is a sad day for everyone. At least he didn't just shoot it and leave it.. Perhaps he was trying to do what he felt was right. Again, ringing the alarm a little prematurely on this one Carter. Emotional journalism warfare at it's finest."
The stupidity of the USFWS and WDFW shows up in their definition of a wolf attack. Taken to court they would not have leg to stand on, and they know this. Maybe they have another hand-picked crooked judge for wolf attacks.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 05, 2013, 12:36:42 PM
I liked the greenie painting on the side of the road we drove by today. He was a real go-getter for sure...
Camp, I finally got a hold of the range riders and the rancher, he told me of four wolves seen in Beaver cr yesterday, so the three you thought you saw above the one wolf was probably the same bunch. He also reported these wolves to the joke we call WDFW
I thought it was more wolves. What I saw certainly didn't run like deer. Too bad you weren't standing where I saw the others running.
Post by: saylean on October 10, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts). :bash:
Post by: snowpack on October 10, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.yeah, on one of the hiking sites one of the wolf nuts is implying 'justice' will catch up with the hunter.
I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts). :bash:
Post by: Northway on October 10, 2013, 11:37:26 AM
Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.
I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts). :bash:
Self-reporting definitely scores a lot of points in my book. There's always the argument about what is or isn't a real threat, and we all know that some guys are just more skittish than others, but you can't take the honesty of reporting the encounter away from him.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 10, 2013, 11:39:44 AM
Well said Hirshey, I was waiting for you to give your insight due to last years experience.yeah, on one of the hiking sites one of the wolf nuts is implying 'justice' will catch up with the hunter.
I will be out alone in an area with wolves very soon, like many of you. I would have to say that if I felt threatened by one or many of those things (or a griz or frankly a person), it would be the same result as this guys situation. Sounds to me, like his actions are honest. Not many poachers or people who would SSS would willingly go get enforcement and let them know about it. I hope he gets off with nothing but a story to tell (that, and the death threats I am sure he is getting by all the wolf nuts). :bash:
Ironically, it's the hikers with whom justice will catch up if the wolves have any say.
Post by: curlewkiller on October 10, 2013, 11:45:16 AM
Post by: buckfvr on October 10, 2013, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: saylean on October 10, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
morons.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 10, 2013, 12:08:27 PM
Post by: JLS on October 10, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
I think the comment about bite marks was absolutely ridiculous myself. One doesn't need to have stab marks to justify shooting a human attacker. However, it's pretty amusing how much opinions and stances can change based on what people's biases are. Cops shooting dog = bad. Hunter shooting wolf = good.
I'd shoot a wolf too if I felt my safety was being compromised. I'd also report it like this gentleman did.
Post by: villageidiot on October 10, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 10, 2013, 05:47:44 PM