Post by: SCRUBS on January 08, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2354&year=2015
If this has already been posted, mods please work your magic.
Post by: lokidog on January 08, 2016, 04:47:21 PM
Post by: fair-chase on January 08, 2016, 04:52:12 PM
Can't seem to find where to find any text for this?
http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2354.pdf (http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2354.pdf)
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 08, 2016, 05:04:48 PM
Post by: scoyoc5 on January 08, 2016, 05:29:33 PM
Post by: northwesthunter84 on January 08, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: BullMagnet76 on January 08, 2016, 06:13:02 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on January 08, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
Post by: jkthomps on January 08, 2016, 06:18:46 PM
Post by: blackdog on January 08, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 08, 2016, 06:39:20 PM
It will never make it to the House floor.
Let is pray that is correct. The Cultural Marxists are powerful these days, and WA has plenty in office.
Post by: blackdog on January 08, 2016, 06:39:59 PM
Post by: Stein on January 08, 2016, 06:41:16 PM
High capacity is > 10 rounds (virtually every full size 9mm & 40 made) and assault is semi auto w/any size detachable magazine + one scary but irrelevant feature.
Existing high cap magazines are grandfathered, presumably you would have to somehow prove when you bought them. You could only sell either to a dealer or face felony charges (no exemption for out of state sales).
The bill's sponsor is Moeller from Vancouver.
Post by: blackdog on January 08, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 08, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 08, 2016, 08:50:33 PM
Keep the pressure on, you never know when nonsense like this will gain traction - particularly when the gov will spend public money lobbying for it and Microsoft Millions show up as well.
High capacity is > 10 rounds (virtually every full size 9mm & 40 made) and assault is semi auto w/any size detachable magazine + one scary but irrelevant feature.
Existing high cap magazines are grandfathered, presumably you would have to somehow prove when you bought them. You could only sell either to a dealer or face felony charges (no exemption for out of state sales).
The bill's sponsor is Moeller from Vancouver.
Correct. First sales and soon followed by "turn'em in" followed by SWATTING.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 08, 2016, 09:06:20 PM
http://www.whatisanoperator.com/assault-weapons-ban-in-washington-hb2354/ (http://www.whatisanoperator.com/assault-weapons-ban-in-washington-hb2354/)
over at blog.
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Subject:
Please Oppose House Bill HB2354
Body:
Please oppose HB 2354. First and foremost, this bill is in direct conflict with Article I, Section 24 of the Washington Constitution, and also with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. In addition, it's ridiculous to think that this law will be followed by or deter people who want to murder. The only effect of it will be the disarming and endangerment of good citizens by limiting their capacity to defend themselves and their families against those who would harm them. To put this into perspective, if I am limited to a specific magazine capacity and am then faced with multiple attackers or intruders into my home, I will be put at an extreme disadvantage. Please don't allow this trampling of our rights. I implore you to reject this bill. Thanks very much and I respectfully request the courtesy of your reply.
Post by: csaaphill on January 08, 2016, 10:34:22 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 08, 2016, 10:37:31 PM
You had to know this was going to happen.It is signaling season for tyranny.
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Post by: grundy53 on January 08, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on January 09, 2016, 03:16:28 AM
NEW SECTION.
Sec. 2.
A new section is added to
chapter
9.41
RCW
1
to read as follows:2
(1)
No person in this state may manufacture, possess, purchase,
3
sell, or otherwise transfer any assault weapon or large capacity
4
magazine except as authorized in this section.5
(2)
Subsection
(1)
of this section does not apply to any of the
6
following:7
(a)
The possession of an assault weapon or large capacity
8
magazine by a person who legally possessed the assault weapon or
9
large capacity magazine prior to the effective date of this section,
10
or possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine by a
11
person who, on or after the effective date of this section, acquires
12
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine by
13
operation of law upon the death of the former owner who was in legal
14
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine. A person
15
who legally possesses an assault weapon or large capacity magazine
16
under this subsection
(2)(a)
may not sell or transfer the assault
17
weapon to any other person in this state other than to a licensed
18
dealer, to a federally licensed gun smith for the purpose of service
19
or repair, or to a law enforcement agency
Post by: elkslayer069 on January 09, 2016, 05:37:16 AM
Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2016, 06:36:10 AM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2354
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Post by: bearpaw on January 09, 2016, 07:14:29 AM
VanDeWege 24th, Sullivan 47th need to hear from you.
messages sent to both:
Representative Kevin VanDeWege... kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov
Representative Pat Sullivan........... pat.sullivan@leg.wa.gov
Subject: Please Oppose HB 2354
Dear Representative,
Infringing on the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding citizens will not resolve the problems of criminals, terrorists, and maniacs using guns illegally. Are we also going to make auto ownership illegal because criminals use autos to assist them in committing crimes? Another important consideration, most gun violence occurs in the larger cities with gun restrictions or in gun free zones where law abiding citizens cannot protect themselves. By adding more gun laws we will be playing right into the hands of criminals, terrorists, and maniacs wanting to commit crimes or make their mark on America. Please oppose HB 2354. We really should be encouraging gun ownership and responsible gun use to discourage criminals, terrorists, and maniacs.
Best Regards,
Dale Denney
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2016, 07:42:58 AM
IT just never ends........ :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
We can guarantee that the billionaires will do their best to mislead the Washington public about this bill.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2016, 07:44:51 AM
Easy MailTo link for all Reps I have on list http://www.whatisanoperator.com/assault-weapons-ban-in-washington-hb2354/ (http://www.whatisanoperator.com/assault-weapons-ban-in-washington-hb2354/) over at blog.
Sorry cannot figure how to make link work here.
Let me know of any corrections needed and I will update.
Thanks!
Craig
Also find your reps here: http://app.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 07:59:38 AM
Reminds me of the hunger games. Our lives and suffering are no more than entertainment to the elite.IT just never ends........ :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
We can guarantee that the billionaires will do their best to mislead the Washington public about this bill.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on January 09, 2016, 08:05:13 AM
"Good Morning Lynda, Paul, and Don,
Please oppose HB 2354. First and foremost, this bill is in direct conflict with Article I, Section 24 of the Washington Constitution, and also with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. In addition, it's ridiculous to think that this law will be followed by or deter people who want to murder. The only effect of it will be the disarming and endangerment of good citizens by limiting their capacity to defend themselves and their families against those who would harm them. To put this into perspective, if I am limited to a specific magazine capacity and am then faced with multiple attackers or intruders into my home, I will be put at an extreme disadvantage. Please don't allow this trampling of our rights. I implore you to reject this bill. Thanks very much and I respectfully request the courtesy of your reply."
Post by: Mauser on January 09, 2016, 08:19:23 AM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 08:48:59 AM
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Feel the same.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 08:49:41 AM
Communication to my representatives:
"Good Morning Lynda, Paul, and Don,
Please oppose HB 2354. First and foremost, this bill is in direct conflict with Article I, Section 24 of the Washington Constitution, and also with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. In addition, it's ridiculous to think that this law will be followed by or deter people who want to murder. The only effect of it will be the disarming and endangerment of good citizens by limiting their capacity to defend themselves and their families against those who would harm them. To put this into perspective, if I am limited to a specific magazine capacity and am then faced with multiple attackers or intruders into my home, I will be put at an extreme disadvantage. Please don't allow this trampling of our rights. I implore you to reject this bill. Thanks very much and I respectfully request the courtesy of your reply."
Very Dang Good.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 09:02:15 AM
Take the same text, run it as an imitative, and it will pass by a significant margin. I can see Bill and Melinda Gates and Paul Allen jumping on the fund raising wagon again.
True if this fails, we might see an initiative. Hopefully after 594 we have enough coordination to stop it. 594 didn't pass with a landslide.
Post by: Eli346 on January 09, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
Post by: csaaphill on January 09, 2016, 10:15:12 AM
Well it reads that if you have them now, you will at least get to keep them for now. What's here can stay! You have to follow I-594 if you want to sell them.yeah grandfathered which is why this ones is way more dangerous than the last one. Which the National one is Grandfathered in as well.
NEW SECTION.
Sec. 2.
A new section is added to
chapter
9.41
RCW
1
to read as follows:2
(1)
No person in this state may manufacture, possess, purchase,
3
sell, or otherwise transfer any assault weapon or large capacity
4
magazine except as authorized in this section.5
(2)
Subsection
(1)
of this section does not apply to any of the
6
following:7
(a)
The possession of an assault weapon or large capacity
8
magazine by a person who legally possessed the assault weapon or
9
large capacity magazine prior to the effective date of this section,
10
or possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine by a
11
person who, on or after the effective date of this section, acquires
12
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine by
13
operation of law upon the death of the former owner who was in legal
14
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine. A person
15
who legally possesses an assault weapon or large capacity magazine
16
under this subsection
(2)(a)
may not sell or transfer the assault
17
weapon to any other person in this state other than to a licensed
18
dealer, to a federally licensed gun smith for the purpose of service
19
or repair, or to a law enforcement agency
But no you can't even sell them it says in there that anyone possessing them before said date will not be able to sell them other than to Law enforcement to be disposed of, or to a Licensed FFL or to be a Gunsmith for repair, it also says that you can't sell to anyone out of state as well.
Post by: coxral on January 09, 2016, 10:23:46 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 09, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Reminds me of the hunger games. Our lives and suffering are no more than entertainment to the elite.IT just never ends........ :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
We can guarantee that the billionaires will do their best to mislead the Washington public about this bill.
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I just told my cousin last night I feel like we are turning into a hunger games movie.
Is there anyway of knowing when that specific grandfathered date is going to be? I would like to buy my Arsenal Sam7sf before all this takes place
Post by: Gobble on January 09, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2354&year=2015
Post by: csaaphill on January 09, 2016, 11:03:33 AM
Conspiracy or agenda or not they are going to tie this/these bans together sometime.
Same with all this mental health stuff in Obamas EO's. They are now able to share from state to state so next that will be a law to have all persons that have had mental health issues registered.
Much like the veteran's who have had to turn in their guns, because of some archaic thing the VA said barred them from owning them.
They already bar people from owning guns because of some Domestic Violence from owning them (That's a different argument in itself) But that will be one of the next steps I'm sure.
Eventually this will all tie in, and more unseen things that I can't see right off will be tied in as well.
Post by: csaaphill on January 09, 2016, 11:08:20 AM
Well I'd say some time after it passes if it does. Laws usually take 90 days or so to go into effect so at that point I'd say.Reminds me of the hunger games. Our lives and suffering are no more than entertainment to the elite.IT just never ends........ :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
We can guarantee that the billionaires will do their best to mislead the Washington public about this bill.
Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk
I just told my cousin last night I feel like we are turning into a hunger games movie.
Is there anyway of knowing when that specific grandfathered date is going to be? I would like to buy my Arsenal Sam7sf before all this takes place
Post by: bassquatch on January 09, 2016, 11:17:57 AM
here's one for ya and sure most will just say it's ok, but why do you think they passed the all felons must register last year?
Conspiracy or agenda or not they are going to tie this/these bans together sometime.
Same with all this mental health stuff in Obamas EO's. They are now able to share from state to state so next that will be a law to have all persons that have had mental health issues registered.
Much like the veteran's who have had to turn in their guns, because of some archaic thing the VA said barred them from owning them.
They already bar people from owning guns because of some Domestic Violence from owning them (That's a different argument in itself) But that will be one of the next steps I'm sure.
Eventually this will all tie in, and more unseen things that I can't see right off will be tied in as well.
Pretty much started happening in California as of 1/1/16!!!
All the stepping stones to confiscation are being laid at this point it's only a matter of time. Obama is using his last year in office to lay the foundation for Hillary to implement the final push! Resistance?? That's when the UN takes over all the "World Heritage" Sites and sets up occupation. It's coming, they won't let up now, they've built up too much momentum. :twocents:
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 09, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
I did buy 3 20 round magazines for the Mini 30. Any magazines that say Ruger are not cheap!
Post by: Oh Mah on January 09, 2016, 11:37:22 AM
Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 09, 2016, 11:40:38 AM
Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 11:40:58 AM
There is no where to move to. Fight it here.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
State sovereignty will not exist shortly without drastic "change".
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Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 11:42:25 AM
Ok well that will give me enough time I guess. Probably buy as many 25 round 10/22 magazines as I can find as well. When I was a kid I remember it was super hard to find them because of that assault rifle band. We found one at a pawn shop and paid an outrageous price for itYa I stocked up on extra AR mags.
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Post by: ghosthunter on January 09, 2016, 11:47:00 AM
So they never try this again.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 09, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 09, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 09, 2016, 12:09:25 PM
I think there are a few states that will resist for a while, Idaho being one. But once the populated states have conditioned their voters long enough, the House will have a different outlook on what subjects they can/can't breach and the storm will come from the feds. I just don't see certain states as ever being happy with minding their own, like California wanting to change the gun laws of Arizona and Nevada or Illinois constantly blaming Indiana.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
Post by: Wacenturion on January 09, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Post by: csaaphill on January 09, 2016, 12:30:37 PM
Not if the National ban passes Idaho wont be safe.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
Post by: bobcat on January 09, 2016, 01:01:22 PM
I tried reading it but it's too long. :yike:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 09, 2016, 01:24:14 PM
Does anyone know if this only affects assault rifles? What about semi-automatic hunting rifles? I'm assuming it's only rifles with plastic stocks and pistol grips, or high capacity magazines.It is trying to define assault rifles/weapons. If your hunting rifle meets the definition that is being added, then it would be affected. Sounds like the Remington 81 for example (semi-auto, detachable magazine, barrel shroud), possibly the modified model 8 and FN 1900. M-1 carbine because of the handguard.
I tried reading it but it's too long. :yike:
Shotguns that are semi auto with a tube that can take more than five, or have a tube extension that gives more than five. A person that owns a tube extension for a pump wouldn't be allowed to own a semi-auto or the extension if it fits the semi auto. Someone correct where I'm mistaken.
Post by: Oh Mah on January 09, 2016, 01:41:12 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 09, 2016, 01:55:30 PM
semi auto with thumb hole stock and detachable mag meets,basically thumb hole stocks are being banned :bash:I think this would apply to the ruger 10/22 thumbhole versions.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 09, 2016, 02:55:53 PM
SW 9ve with 16+1
:bash:
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 03:00:55 PM
It's funny they think these bans are doing something when really it's just making people go out and buy as many guns as possible. Even people who have never owned a gun beforeWhere I work Obama's latest exec orders have already sold guns to first timers. I was there to help of course and got them to an intro to handguns class. Next round of people will be going soon.
Organize "first time shooter nights" at ranges that offer intro classes. I fill classes all the time with different groups from work. That is how I stick it to the man.
It would effect my every day carry gun.
SW 9ve with 16+1
:bash:
semi auto with thumb hole stock and detachable mag meets,basically thumb hole stocks are being banned :bash:I think this would apply to the ruger 10/22 thumbhole versions.
Not if the National ban passes Idaho wont be safe.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
your right cowboycraig,if the people will fight that is.Instead of everyone saying we cant we shouldn't,Or worse yet tell you that you need a permit first.
I think there are a few states that will resist for a while, Idaho being one. But once the populated states have conditioned their voters long enough, the House will have a different outlook on what subjects they can/can't breach and the storm will come from the feds. I just don't see certain states as ever being happy with minding their own, like California wanting to change the gun laws of Arizona and Nevada or Illinois constantly blaming Indiana.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 09, 2016, 03:08:27 PM
Does anyone know if this only affects assault rifles? What about semi-automatic hunting rifles? I'm assuming it's only rifles with plastic stocks and pistol grips, or high capacity magazines.
I tried reading it but it's too long. :yike:
I read the national ban, and my Ruger Mini 30 was not considered an assault rifle. Which I don't understand the difference between a Mini 30 and an Ak. They shoot the same bullet. Ak just looks scarier.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 09, 2016, 03:27:43 PM
Does anyone know if this only affects assault rifles? What about semi-automatic hunting rifles? I'm assuming it's only rifles with plastic stocks and pistol grips, or high capacity magazines.
I tried reading it but it's too long. :yike:
I read the national ban, and my Ruger Mini 30 was not considered an assault rifle. Which I don't understand the difference between a Mini 30 and an Ak. They shoot the same bullet. Ak just looks scarier.
Lack of a pistol grip.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 03:36:10 PM
Funny how I never hear from the pro's...
Post by: Stickerbush on January 09, 2016, 04:41:24 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
What number of rounds is "high capacity"?Well it reads that if you have them now, you will at least get to keep them for now. What's here can stay! You have to follow I-594 if you want to sell them.yeah grandfathered which is why this ones is way more dangerous than the last one. Which the National one is Grandfathered in as well.
NEW SECTION.
Sec. 2.
A new section is added to
chapter
9.41
RCW
1
to read as follows:2
(1)
No person in this state may manufacture, possess, purchase,
3
sell, or otherwise transfer any assault weapon or large capacity
4
magazine except as authorized in this section.5
(2)
Subsection
(1)
of this section does not apply to any of the
6
following:7
(a)
The possession of an assault weapon or large capacity
8
magazine by a person who legally possessed the assault weapon or
9
large capacity magazine prior to the effective date of this section,
10
or possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine by a
11
person who, on or after the effective date of this section, acquires
12
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine by
13
operation of law upon the death of the former owner who was in legal
14
possession of the assault weapon or large capacity magazine. A person
15
who legally possesses an assault weapon or large capacity magazine
16
under this subsection
(2)(a)
may not sell or transfer the assault
17
weapon to any other person in this state other than to a licensed
18
dealer, to a federally licensed gun smith for the purpose of service
19
or repair, or to a law enforcement agency
But no you can't even sell them it says in there that anyone possessing them before said date will not be able to sell them other than to Law enforcement to be disposed of, or to a Licensed FFL or to be a Gunsmith for repair, it also says that you can't sell to anyone out of state as well.
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Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on January 09, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 09, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
10 rounds (pg 6 line 28)Guess I could still carry my concealed handgun, just not ever sell it.
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Post by: csaaphill on January 09, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
Plus you know darn well to get the several states they'll threated to withhold money in order to get them to do it.I think there are a few states that will resist for a while, Idaho being one. But once the populated states have conditioned their voters long enough, the House will have a different outlook on what subjects they can/can't breach and the storm will come from the feds. I just don't see certain states as ever being happy with minding their own, like California wanting to change the gun laws of Arizona and Nevada or Illinois constantly blaming Indiana.Two words "I'm moving"I'm with you but where can you go that this crap wont follow.
Idaho... I've been throwing the idea around for a while myself. I can transfer tomorrow if I want which is a nice option.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 10, 2016, 06:18:33 AM
I emailed the whole legislature today. Have gotten a few replies back so far. All in opposition to HB2354.As did I last night and posted letter and C C's list on FB Blake and Angel responded almost immediately in agreement
Funny how I never hear from the pro's...
Post by: SniperDanWA on January 10, 2016, 08:34:24 AM
Dear Representatives,
By now, I'm sure that you have received a litany of complaints as well as a flurry of support regarding HB 2354. I write to you this morning to provide you with yet another response.
America was once the home of the free and the brave. We were once a great United States. We once were the home of manufacturing that rivaled no other country--in automotive, steel, agricultural, and avionics, to name a few. Now, we have succumbed to a mindset that 'good enough' is as good as it can get. Things we buy today are considered throw away. We continue to give away, argue and trivialize the words and meaning of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments of the United States. We quibbled over a person's rights instead of following the law. We let money, power and a persona drive politics, business, and freedoms.
You see, once we let the common man do what was 'good and right.' We once let the laws of this nation guide our work and lives with principles that were grounded in 'do unto others as you would have the do unto you.' Now we have, 'what's mine is yours because you say it's so.' Since when did you usurp my rights? How is it that the presidents, governors, law makers, mayors, and lest not forget lobbyists and philanthropists get to dictate the way my neighbors, friends, and family live? How is it that money and a name can overpower the will of the people?
You see, I don't have one of these 'scary guns.' I know plenty who do--military, secret service, x-military, friends and of course I cannot down play it, criminals--both individual and syndicate. My right though, as contained in the 2nd Amendment is freedom in this area to choose and protect. Yet again, another right is slowly but not covertly being usurped by you, the elected establishment. Do you wonder why Americans are disenfranchised with elections and politicians, societal leadership and government as a whole?
I'm not an idealist. I'm a commoner and I know it. I'm not a lawyer who can and will argue the meaning of "a word," to win their case. I am an outdoor enthusiast. I hunt, fish, hike, camp, and enjoy what God created. Oh yes, I know I just wrote another word that is viewed in contempt by many, God. But you see, I still have that right.
I'm sorry that the 'Bloomquists' of this world have so much power. I'm okay with them having wealth, because they earn it--if legally. But I am not okay with them using it to buy their way to their viewpoint. We are a land where we are governed by laws, many of which were designed to prevent what is happening today in the guise of political action and community safety.
I write to you today, because it is not the honest man that has caused such strife in our land. It is the corrupt, criminal, and contemptuous ones that have ruined our nation. I write to you to right the injustices and see the attacks on our civil liberties as that, attacks. I write to you to protect my family's rights to protect ourselves from both foreign and domestic attacks. I implore you to ground yourself with the people and not the establishment. I ask that you seek our will, not those who pay or profit from the results of your actions. Please, do not kid yourselves by believing that profits are not behind your actions. You may have entered into politics with good intentions and work to stay true to your ideals, but actions do have consequences and every vote cast is either profiting or abstaining from a profit. Either way, I have come to view politics as a necessary evil.
You have the responsibility to listen to your constituents, educate them on the positions (both pro and con and the impacts of each) and support them, or you have the ability to do what you want to do. Which do you choose? Is it me or you? Is it my vote or yours? Do you support my decision to own firearms and protect my family or is it someone else's view that my rights don't matter under the 2nd Amendment and our Constitution?
Who ultimately decides? Is it you or me? Is it someone else with money, lobbyists, business objectives, personal positions, etc.?
I ask that you do not follow executive orders, made with contempt for the people if this country in order to obtain a desired outcome, but rather support the laws that once made our nation great. Let's revitalize our nation.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 10, 2016, 08:50:33 AM
However I have read it a couple times and cannot find that part.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 10, 2016, 09:01:01 AM
There is a thread on facebook that says if this passes,the sheriff will be required to inspect your home once a year. If you own any classified assault weapons.I hope that line is in there, will help flush this poop legislation.
However I have read it a couple times and cannot find that part.
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Post by: lokidog on January 10, 2016, 10:17:57 AM
My response, to be sent after I review a couple more times:
Dear Representatives,
By now, I'm sure that you have received a litany of complaints as well as a flurry of support regarding HB 2354. I write to you this morning to provide you with yet another response.
America was once the home of the free and the brave. We were once a great United States. We once were the home of manufacturing that rivaled no other country--in automotive, steel, agricultural, and avionics, to name a few. Now, we have succumbed to a mindset that 'good enough' is as good as it can get. Things we buy today are considered throw away. We continue to give away, argue and trivialize the words and meaning of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments of the United States Constitution. We quibbled over a person's rights instead of following the law. We let money, power and a persona drive politics, business, and freedoms.
You see, we once let the common man do what was 'good and right.' We once let the laws of this nation guide our work and lives with principles that were grounded in 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you.' Now we have, 'what's mine is yours because you say it's so.' Since when did you usurp my rights? How is it that the presidents, governors, law makers, mayors, and lest not forget lobbyists and philanthropists get to dictate the way my neighbors, friends, and family live? How is it that money and a name can overpower the will of the people?
You see, I don't have one of these 'scary guns.' I know plenty who do--military, secret service, x-military, friends and of course I cannot down play it, criminals--both individual and syndicate. My right though, as contained in the 2nd Amendment is freedom in this area to choose and protect. Yet again, another right is slowly but not covertly being usurped by you, the elected establishment. Do you wonder why Americans are disenfranchised with elections and politicians, societal leadership and government as a whole?
I'm not an idealist. I'm a commoner and I know it. I'm not a lawyer who can and will argue the meaning of "a word," to win their case. I am an outdoor enthusiast. I hunt, fish, hike, camp, and enjoy what God created. Oh yes, I know I just wrote another word that is viewed in contempt by many, God. But you see, I still have that right.
I'm sorry that the 'Bloomquists' of this world have so much power. I'm okay with them having wealth, because they earn it--if legally. But I am not okay with them using it to buy their way to their viewpoint. We are a land where we are governed by laws, many of which were designed to prevent what is happening today in the guise of political action and community safety.
I write to you today, because it is not the honest man that has caused such strife in our land. It is the corrupt, criminal, and contemptuous ones that have ruined our nation. I write to you to right the injustices and see the attacks on our civil liberties as that, attacks. I write to you to protect my family's rights to protect ourselves from both foreign and domestic attacks. I implore you to ground yourself with the people and not the establishment. I ask that you seek our will, not those who pay or profit from the results of your actions. Please, do not kid yourselves by believing that profits are not behind your actions. You may have entered into politics with good intentions and work to stay true to your ideals, but actions do have consequences and every vote cast is either profiting or abstaining from a profit. Either way, I have come to view politics as a necessary evil.
You have the responsibility to listen to your constituents, educate them on the positions (both pro and con and the impacts of each) and support them, or you have the ability to do what you want to do. Which do you choose? Is it me or you? Is it my vote or yours? Do you support my decision to own firearms and protect my family or is it someone else's view that my rights don't matter under the 2nd Amendment and our Constitution?
Who ultimately decides? Is it you or me? Is it someone else with money, lobbyists, business objectives, personal positions, etc.?
I ask that you do not follow executive orders, made with contempt for the people if this country in order to obtain a desired outcome, but rather support the laws that once made our nation great. Let's revitalize our nation.
This is really good. I did a little editing, in blue for you though. I like editing better than writing. :chuckle:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 10, 2016, 11:17:44 AM
Post by: shotguunar on January 10, 2016, 12:10:48 PM
Post by: timberfaller on January 10, 2016, 07:18:20 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2354
Choose proper English!!
Post by: cowboycraig on January 10, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
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Post by: bassquatch on January 10, 2016, 11:59:21 PM
Their checkmate move has been decades in the making and they have whiddled our rights away by only taking bits and pieces here and there, meanwhile convincing the gp that we are all just "crazy right wingers". The public opinion has shifted and if there's one thing I've learned in my 46 years it's that it never changes back.
It's going to be very interesting going forward.....I for one am not optimistic by any means.
Post by: Rob Allen on January 11, 2016, 08:29:24 AM
here were my comments..
violates the constitution... whoever introduced this bill should resign as they clearly refuse to fulfill their oath to defend the constitution. What's next my right to free speech? you're already going after my religion! Ohh and it will not stop any mass shooting events or any crime. this bill is about securing votes from people ignorantly afraid of guns. and by the way. I used to be one of them. you vote in favor of this ban you will not be getting my vote in November.
Post by: luvmystang67 on January 11, 2016, 09:39:28 AM
If they receive a lot of support for this bill and it doesn't make it through the legislative session you can nearly be certain to see it on a voter initiative in the future. We need to show them that it has no chance to deter future efforts as well! :yike:
Post by: cowboycraig on January 11, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
It is encouraging.
So far none of the "pro" voices have replied. Guess their Low T.
Craig
Post by: ghosthunter on January 11, 2016, 11:40:09 AM
I wanted to bump this up again, everyone on this forum should write in. I have and encourage the rest of you to do so as well.
If they receive a lot of support for this bill and it doesn't make it through the legislative session you can nearly be certain to see it on a voter initiative in the future. We need to show them that it has no chance to deter future efforts as well! :yike:
My thoughts exactly. That is where the real fight will be. We need to talk to evryone we meet about this. And keep up.
Post by: Rob Allen on January 11, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Don Benton
Paul Harris
Lynda Wilson
No response
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2016, 12:53:11 PM
I got a nice email back from one of my reps. Alexander Bohler. Letting me know he is a 2nd amendment supporter.
Don Benton
Paul Harris
Lynda Wilson
No response
If you requested a response, they'll respond. All three 2A supporters. I've spent lots of time with both Benton and Harris discussing 2A. 2A was part of Wilson's platform.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 11, 2016, 12:59:33 PM
I wanted to bump this up again, everyone on this forum should write in. I have and encourage the rest of you to do so as well.
If they receive a lot of support for this bill and it doesn't make it through the legislative session you can nearly be certain to see it on a voter initiative in the future. We need to show them that it has no chance to deter future efforts as well! :yike:
My thoughts exactly. That is where the real fight will be. We need to talk to evryone we meet about this. And keep up.
This is where the Bill Dies!!!!
https://youtu.be/cDpI6Zzy-vo (https://youtu.be/cDpI6Zzy-vo)
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Post by: haus on January 11, 2016, 01:05:07 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 11, 2016, 01:06:00 PM
This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?
Unsuccessfully challenged.
Post by: Antlershed on January 11, 2016, 01:16:20 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 11, 2016, 01:18:03 PM
This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 11, 2016, 01:21:01 PM
It is on a hold isn't it? They actually need a person that is being prosecuted in order to try the law. If I remember correctly, SAF wants the law legally clarified because of all the vague wording (especially in the transfers). But the grabbers are resisting.....hmmmm, why would you want a law that isn't clear?This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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Post by: cowboycraig on January 11, 2016, 02:03:13 PM
It is on a hold isn't it? They actually need a person that is being prosecuted in order to try the law. If I remember correctly, SAF wants the law legally clarified because of all the vague wording (especially in the transfers). But the grabbers are resisting.....hmmmm, why would you want a law that isn't clear?This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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When asked "why would you want a law that isn't clear?" those pushing it said "What can't this be more like CA?!".
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 11, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
I went to the comment link and voiced my opposition.
I heard from 2 of my district representatives today.
Here is what I was told. I will also include the email of the Representative sponsering the bill (Moeller).
Post by: Oh Mah on January 11, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
Post by: shotguunar on January 11, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
Post by: seakev on January 11, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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An appeal has been filed w/ the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Post by: Hi-Liter on January 11, 2016, 03:43:08 PM
This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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An appeal has been filed w/ the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
One problem with the lawsuit, the plaintiffs likely have no standing because no one has been directly arrested by the 594 law. Plaintiff must have standing to have complaint move forward. I don't agree at all with 594, it should be dissolved as unconstitutional and violation of due process.
Post by: seakev on January 11, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
This wont end. Has 594 even been successfully challenged in court?Think SAF.org is challenging.
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An appeal has been filed w/ the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
One problem with the lawsuit, the plaintiffs likely have no standing because no one has been directly arrested by the 594 law. Plaintiff must have standing to have complaint move forward. I don't agree at all with 594, it should be dissolved as unconstitutional and violation of due process.
Well, if recent comments by the King County Sheriff and Jaybama Inslee, in response to the story on KING5 regarding a lack of enforcement are any indication, we may get that opportunity.
Post by: EmeraldBullet on January 11, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 11, 2016, 06:15:45 PM
This is the 3rd reply about no support from my reps.
Post by: BullMagnet76 on January 11, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: csaaphill on January 11, 2016, 09:49:56 PM
Post by: dmv9 on January 12, 2016, 09:28:45 AM
Thank you for emailing me regarding House Bill 2354, prohibiting the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
I understand your concerns with this issue and the affect this legislation would have on gun ownership in Washington State. At this time, this bill is in the House Judiciary Committee. If given the opportunity to vote on House Bill 2354 during the 2016 Legislative Session, I will have your support on this matter in mind.
Thank you for the input and please don't hesitate to contact me anytime.
All the best,
Steve Litzow
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Non-committal response:
Thank you for emailing me regarding House Bill 2354, prohibiting the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
I understand your concerns with this issue and the affect this legislation would have on gun ownership in Washington State. At this time, this bill is in the House Judiciary Committee. If given the opportunity to vote on House Bill 2354 during the 2016 Legislative Session, I will have your support on this matter in mind.
Thank you for the input and please don't hesitate to contact me anytime.
All the best,
Steve Litzow
Call his office and nail him down. He's your representative. You have a right to know his stance. Let us know how it turns out.
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 12, 2016, 10:34:51 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 11:23:31 AM
Paul Harris
Lynda Wilson
Don Benton
I spoke to each office on the phone this AM
:tup:
Post by: CP on January 12, 2016, 01:34:39 PM
http://housedemocrats.wa.gov/legislators/Jim-Moeller/
Post by: addicted2hunting on January 12, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
Post by: csaaphill on January 12, 2016, 09:22:21 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 12, 2016, 09:32:15 PM
Apparently the sponsor of this bill will be running for Lt. Governor - Remember - and remember to vote -
http://housedemocrats.wa.gov/legislators/Jim-Moeller/
Anyone else find it ironic that this guy holds a license for Mental Health Treatment, but blames the gun when someone with mental health issues hurts people?
Post by: csaaphill on January 12, 2016, 09:37:34 PM
not likely no probably wringing his hand on the power he will have if this goes over.Apparently the sponsor of this bill will be running for Lt. Governor - Remember - and remember to vote -
http://housedemocrats.wa.gov/legislators/Jim-Moeller/
Anyone else find it ironic that this guy holds a license for Mental Health Treatment, but blames the gun when someone with mental health issues hurts people?
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 13, 2016, 08:09:16 AM
May send the same about the ammo tax. I'm guessing everyone quit buying ammo in Seattle so let's make it state wide. :bash:
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 08:58:38 AM
House Judiciary Committee:
laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; christine.kilduff@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; larry.haler@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; kuderer.patty@leg.wa.gov; dick.muri@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; drew.stokesbary@leg.wa.gov
Tell them what you think. Hopefully this bill dies there.
Post by: saylean on January 13, 2016, 09:22:39 AM
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 13, 2016, 09:26:33 AM
That in itself is reason to oppose.
Post by: scoyoc5 on January 13, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Dear John ,
Thank you for your message. First, I want you to know that I will not support House Bill 2354 or any other legislation that could infringe on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.
Second, HB 2354 is like any House bill in that it must clear several hurdles before it could be considered here in the Senate. That means receiving a public (committee) hearing, then committee approval, then "yes" votes from at least 50 members of the 98-member House of Representatives.
Finally, even if the bill makes it before the full House, the 50 Democrats who constitute the House majority include several from rural districts. Their constituents may not view this issue the same way as the representative who filed HB 2354 - a big-city Democrat who just happens to be running for statewide office (lieutenant governor) later this year.
In the meantime, I will keep an eye out for any similar pieces of legislation from members of the Senate minority - and oppose those as well.
Respectfully,
Senator Randi Becker
2nd Legislative District
Post by: lokidog on January 13, 2016, 12:10:58 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 15, 2016, 08:20:41 AM
"Dear John,
Thank you for your e-mail regarding HB 2354, banning assault weapons and large capacity magazines. I am adamantly OPPOSED to this bill.
Interestingly, the very definitions that Rep. Jim Moeller used in defining these guns as an “assault weapon” are the very thing that make it a safer gun to use by most people – especially women and those of smaller stature. This bill is being directed mainly at the AR-15 rifle. This particular rifle, along with its specific accoutrements is what makes it the best self-defense gun for women; very little recoil, a collapsible/adjustable stock so the gun fits a smaller stature, pistol grip for better control, and a quad rail to attach a light to illuminate the threat and reduce the chance of aiming the gun at something you shouldn’t.
Unfortunately, bills, initiatives, and laws like this are being perpetrated on law-abiding firearms owners across the nation. I-594 already dramatically restricted our 2nd Amendment right last year. You may not be aware, but I am a certified NRA instructor and became one to encourage firearm safety and training for those who are looking to further their expertise in the safe handling of firearms.
Rest assured – I hear you loud and clear – and stand strong right beside you. I will do whatever I can to protect our 2nd Amendment rights should this bill make it to the House floor for a vote. I will be a strong vote against it.
There is some good news. I have heard the Chair of the Judiciary Committee may not hear the bill. And even better news is this would never pass in the Senate!
Yours in service,
Lynda
Post by: cowboycraig on January 15, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
I happy to read such common sense from Olympia at a time when it seems so rare.Got the same reply, gives me hope for America.
"Dear John,
Thank you for your e-mail regarding HB 2354, banning assault weapons and large capacity magazines. I am adamantly OPPOSED to this bill.
Interestingly, the very definitions that Rep. Jim Moeller used in defining these guns as an “assault weapon” are the very thing that make it a safer gun to use by most people – especially women and those of smaller stature. This bill is being directed mainly at the AR-15 rifle. This particular rifle, along with its specific accoutrements is what makes it the best self-defense gun for women; very little recoil, a collapsible/adjustable stock so the gun fits a smaller stature, pistol grip for better control, and a quad rail to attach a light to illuminate the threat and reduce the chance of aiming the gun at something you shouldn’t.
Unfortunately, bills, initiatives, and laws like this are being perpetrated on law-abiding firearms owners across the nation. I-594 already dramatically restricted our 2nd Amendment right last year. You may not be aware, but I am a certified NRA instructor and became one to encourage firearm safety and training for those who are looking to further their expertise in the safe handling of firearms.
Rest assured – I hear you loud and clear – and stand strong right beside you. I will do whatever I can to protect our 2nd Amendment rights should this bill make it to the House floor for a vote. I will be a strong vote against it.
There is some good news. I have heard the Chair of the Judiciary Committee may not hear the bill. And even better news is this would never pass in the Senate!
Yours in service,
Lynda
Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk
Post by: T-Dozzer on January 15, 2016, 09:21:03 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 15, 2016, 09:23:54 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 15, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Post by: Dan-o on January 16, 2016, 12:03:48 AM
It will never make it to the House floor.
Sadly, I have to disagree.
How many previously unthinkable laws/policies have passed in the last few decades?
Just a few examples off the top:
1. Gay marriage,
2. Prosecuting florists/bakers that won't do gay marriages.
3. Having "transgendered" guys shower with your 15 year old daughter
4.
I think the libs, including anti-gun libs, are patient and smart. They might know it won't pass this time, but they are conditioning people so that it's no longer a shock.....
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 16, 2016, 06:21:47 AM
It will never make it to the House floor.
Sadly, I have to disagree.
How many previously unthinkable laws/policies have passed in the last few decades?
Just a few examples off the top:
1. Gay marriage,
2. Prosecuting florists/bakers that won't do gay marriages.
3. Having "transgendered" guys shower with your 15 year old daughter
4.
I think the libs, including anti-gun libs, are patient and smart. They might know it won't pass this time, but they are conditioning people so that it's no longer a shock.....
I've also been told by legislators this will not likely hit the floor of the House. If it does, it'll go down in flames.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 16, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
And thatI think put blood in the water.
If they cannot take the time to get the word out and put together a real rally than I wish they would just not do it.
We need a million gun March. Just one great big one. Shut down I 5 from Seatle to Oly. Just one.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 16, 2016, 09:16:16 AM
Post by: lokidog on January 16, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
I didn't hear about the rally until Thursday, when I called Don Benton's office. Kind of hard to take time off without notice.
:yeah:
Post by: csaaphill on January 16, 2016, 11:03:30 PM
http://www.un.org/events/smallarms2006/pdf/arms060630iansa-denis.pdf
Post by: scoyoc5 on January 16, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 16, 2016, 11:14:00 PM
It will never make it to the House floor.
Sadly, I have to disagree.
How many previously unthinkable laws/policies have passed in the last few decades?
Just a few examples off the top:
1. Gay marriage,
2. Prosecuting florists/bakers that won't do gay marriages.
3. Having "transgendered" guys shower with your 15 year old daughter
4.
I think the libs, including anti-gun libs, are patient and smart. They might know it won't pass this time, but they are conditioning people so that it's no longer a shock.....
I've also been told by legislators this will not likely hit the floor of the House. If it does, it'll go down in flames.
I don't doubt that it will go down in flames....... this time.
I just think they have a strategy that includes bringing this stuff up over and over to make it seem "normal".
Time was when guns were a normal part of life. I have a son aqt Montana State. When you go there, you check your weapons in the gun room in their dorm bldg. Contrast that to U of W, where if you show up with a gun you're arrested and prosecuted.....
It happens in baby steps.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 18, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
Post by: saylean on January 20, 2016, 06:23:40 PM
The bill makes it a felony to manufacture, possess, purchase, sell or transfer assault weapons or large capacity magazines. The bill applies to these activities after its effective date and thus grandfathers in existing owners. It generally exempts federal and state employees who acquire and possess these weapons within the scope of their duties; licensed manufacturers and dealers with respect to transactions with the armed forces or law enforcement; dealers who sell lawfully-acquired weapons to out-of-state individuals; and licensed gunsmiths for service or repair.
For ten years, from 1994 to 2004, the sale and transfer of assault weapons was federally banned. In these years, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) traced fewer assault-style weapons back to incidents of gun violence. However, House Judiciary Chair Laurie Jinkins has maintained that no gun safety legislation will advance this year without bipartisan support. As such, HB 2354 will not receive a hearing this year.
Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me. I hope you will continue to keep in touch and mark your calendars for my upcoming town hall on February 21st.
Best regards,
Rep. Patty Kuderer
Washington State House – 48th Legislative District
Olympia office: 360-786-7936
Bellevue office: 425-453-3064
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This is her response to my email. Obviously by her phrasing, she is for it. Lets remember that Bellevue Voters.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 20, 2016, 06:35:36 PM
Craig
Post by: wooltie on February 23, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
Dear Mr. Collins:
Thank you for your e-mail expressing your opposition to legislation that would ban assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
You will be pleased to know that HB 2354 did not come up for a hearing in the Judiciary committee and therefore did not meet the required deadline.
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. I value the input I receive and hope you will continue to share your views with me.
Sincerely,
Cindy Ryu
Post by: cowboycraig on February 23, 2016, 03:03:16 PM
Post by: Camp David on February 23, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
Post by: shorthair15 on February 23, 2016, 04:26:05 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on February 23, 2016, 04:30:04 PM
why does two counties try to impose there rights on the rest of the state. keep your views to your self. im surrounded by liberals to the north and liberals to the south. i moved back here from california 10 yrs. ago after i got out of the military it seems like half of those yippies live here now i see them every where. :bash: i was born and raised here in sw washington. never thought it would be like this.
Mountain communities in CO actually lined the road into town with burned cars and old construction equipment to keep the CA Cancer out. Worked for a while... eventually the Libs talked Boulder, CO into removing all the junk so proper people could live up there...
Post by: timberfaller on February 23, 2016, 08:18:03 PM
If you own a firearm and vote Democrat, YOUR part of the problem, NOT the solution! >:(