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Post by: Fishmaker57 on January 02, 2025, 01:06:04 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 02, 2025, 01:06:53 PM
Yes Casey’s Washington raffle bull killed on the last day. :tup:
Just to be clear raffle, not auction tag?
Well since it’s the possible world record , that makes it the best bull in the archery category.🤣
Nicely done Casey 👍
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Post by: huntnphool on January 02, 2025, 01:41:41 PM
My mistake.....thought I read it was a rifle tag....need better glasses!
Raffle, not rifle. :chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on January 02, 2025, 01:42:17 PM
Post by: predatorG on January 02, 2025, 01:51:58 PM
Uuugh... does anyone have any more pics!? 😆 I wanna see that split G2 on the other side
Could have used another year but not bad for a Washington bull…. :chuckle:
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Post by: Dan-o on January 02, 2025, 02:14:35 PM
I was able to personally see and hold this bull nothing in my entire life I’ve never seen anything so impressive. The mass the time length the overall presentation of him is totally world class.
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I'm jealous of you just being able to hold him.
What a monster.
Post by: bearpaw on January 02, 2025, 02:15:30 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on January 02, 2025, 03:16:25 PM
Jeez
I’d be happy finding his sheds
Real happy :tup:
Post by: predatorG on January 02, 2025, 03:24:59 PM
Gross Greene score 490+ a little change net 480+ a little change and that was done by an official boom and croc score
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Nets are for fish! With maybe a small concession for potential world records ;)
I haven’t met Casey but holy smokes is that guy a legend. Gotta be the best archery elk hunter of all time.
Post by: elkaholic123 on January 02, 2025, 03:34:37 PM
Post by: Sneaky Squirrel on January 02, 2025, 03:40:03 PM
I've had the opportunity to meet and visit with him. First time was close to 20 years ago and ran into him at a Barber Shop. We were both waiting, and struck up a conversation. He was leaving the next day to go to Arizona to hunt the Res. Man he was down to earth, extremely passionate about hunting you could just tell, he is just a great dude. I have a lot of respect for him.
He is not just a successful elk hunter, from that conversation, we was going for the Archery North American Slam. Memory serves me correct, he only had a few more to get.
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 02, 2025, 03:53:35 PM
Is the hunter a member here? A story would be killer on here! Was it raffle tag or governor tag. Was told a governor tag but you know how it changes through the grapevineI thought he had the WA governors tag last year and this one was a raffle?
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Post by: Falcon on January 02, 2025, 04:05:34 PM
Post by: elkrack on January 02, 2025, 04:10:29 PM
Impressive
Jeez
I’d be happy finding his sheds
Real happy :tup:
Heard that he has the sheds from that bull from last year. Did one hell of a job keeping that quiet
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Post by: LDennis24 on January 02, 2025, 04:57:24 PM
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-pending-world-record-elk/
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Post by: JBG on January 02, 2025, 07:45:56 PM
No guides just family and friends…. Incredible bull
And 4 months.
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Post by: time2hunt on January 02, 2025, 08:16:24 PM
Anyone think that's the biggest bull that was alive in the whole state?100% sure there’s not a bigger bull around. I’m willing to bet that there’s not another bull in this state that within 40 inches of this bull.
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Post by: jackelope on January 02, 2025, 08:26:43 PM
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Post by: teanawayslayer on January 02, 2025, 08:54:32 PM
agreed!Anyone think that's the biggest bull that was alive in the whole state?100% sure there’s not a bigger bull around. I’m willing to bet that there’s not another bull in this state that within 40 inches of this bull.
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Post by: bankwalker on January 02, 2025, 09:10:17 PM
Anyone think that's the biggest bull that was alive in the whole state?100% sure there’s not a bigger bull around. I’m willing to bet that there’s not another bull in this state that within 40 inches of this bull.
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Since this bulls been posted. I've seen 3 different comments elsewhere of a 430+ inch bull killed around cle elem/Ellensburg in December by a tribal hunter that's posted on YouTube.
Post by: chukarchaser on January 02, 2025, 09:16:33 PM
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Post by: High Climber on January 02, 2025, 09:20:55 PM
Its time to start the Mis- information campaign on where this Beast was killed.. I heard it was Oregon side of the Blues :chuckle: lots of eyes on WA right now
Post by: High Climber on January 02, 2025, 09:24:07 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 02, 2025, 09:50:40 PM
Legendary bull all day long.
Congrats Casey.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on January 02, 2025, 09:54:34 PM
Anyone think that's the biggest bull that was alive in the whole state?
Better question, was that the biggest bull alive anywhere?
Post by: ipkus on January 02, 2025, 10:07:50 PM
Post by: 92xj on January 02, 2025, 10:09:49 PM
Who drove the tractor to move it?🤔Suncadia maintenance
I kid I kid
Post by: RB on January 02, 2025, 10:30:40 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 02, 2025, 11:08:36 PM
Who drove the tractor to move it?🤔Suncadia maintenance
I kid I kid
Bet it was close enough to give them a call to help lol
Post by: huntnphool on January 02, 2025, 11:51:33 PM
There was 3 400 inch bulls killed this year in WA alone and that's the biggest. If WA does nothing else it continues to produce some of the biggest bulls in the country
At least 4 then! ;)
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 03, 2025, 06:38:27 AM
Been a few years since I've seen those genetics......
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 07:35:47 AM
Who drove the tractor to move it?🤔someone always has to have something negative to say. And then wonder why people don’t post pics of truly incredible animals.
Post by: mr.ktm95 on January 03, 2025, 07:55:36 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on January 03, 2025, 08:01:46 AM
Those familiar with scores/dry times...any chance this bull holds on to B&C world record after the 60 days? Looks like it can only lose an inch or two.
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Post by: Mtnwalker on January 03, 2025, 10:31:19 AM
Amazing bull. Can't say I would have been packing a bow on the last day...but I guess already having a dozen 400+ bulls on the wall changes your perspective.
Those familiar with scores/dry times...any chance this bull holds on to B&C world record after the 60 days? Looks like it can only lose an inch or two.
I could be wrong here but didn't the Spider bull lose almost 10" from when he was killed?
Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 10:39:52 AM
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He sure added on to those sheds!
Yeah, 40 inches I heard
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Post by: CarbonHunter on January 03, 2025, 12:22:17 PM
Incredible bull and story. Any one know the habits of the bull? Mostly lived on private or public? It just seems surreal a bull can live to be that big. A bull of dreams.
They can live a long time when it is spike only and special permit for big bulls. Especially when there is so few quality bull tags to be had.
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on January 03, 2025, 12:43:35 PM
Well not really, when the tribes are targeting themIncredible bull and story. Any one know the habits of the bull? Mostly lived on private or public? It just seems surreal a bull can live to be that big. A bull of dreams.
They can live a long time when it is spike only and special permit for big bulls. Especially when there is so few quality bull tags to be had.
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 03, 2025, 01:00:19 PM
Well not really, when the tribes are targeting themIncredible bull and story. Any one know the habits of the bull? Mostly lived on private or public? It just seems surreal a bull can live to be that big. A bull of dreams.
They can live a long time when it is spike only and special permit for big bulls. Especially when there is so few quality bull tags to be had.
The tribes typically get the ones within site of a road. There is a lot of ground in this state that has limited access and even more that is private where these bruits can hide for a longtime.
It has long been said that the big ones don’t migrate all the way out and they don’t come to the feeding stations. Just goes to show you that even though you see some hogs at the feeding stations and with the cows in winter there is still some big ones that you haven’t seen.
Post by: BUTTER on January 03, 2025, 01:22:32 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on January 03, 2025, 01:26:35 PM
I have pics of another guy holding the sheds wonder of he gave them to him or he bought them from the guy that found them
Yeah the guy holding the sheds is most likely the one who got the finders fee for the bull this year, probably just added the sheds to the bill.
Post by: coachcw on January 03, 2025, 02:52:56 PM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 03, 2025, 02:56:51 PM
No finders fees , Good buddy of his .Incredible Bull Congrats CassyYeah I would be “good buddies” with someone who just paid me a ton of money for a bull’s location and horns. Not saying that’s the case here, but not every story is as it seems every time.
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Post by: Skillet on January 03, 2025, 03:17:41 PM
No finders fees , Good buddy of his .Incredible Bull Congrats CassyYeah I would be “good buddies” with someone who just paid me a ton of money for a bull’s location and horns. Not saying that’s the case here, but not every story is as it seems every time.
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But you are definitely casting aspersions that it was big money making friends in this case, aren't you?
It's not big money every time, but agreed that it often is. However, if @coachcw said it's not in this case, I'm betting is not.
You killed a masher buck this fall - why you mad, bro? It just comes across like sour grapes on your end, and it's comments like these that further reinforces people not wanting to post up pics.
*edited for clarity, I repeated myself
Post by: ipkus on January 03, 2025, 03:28:42 PM
Who drove the tractor to move it?🤔someone always has to have something negative to say. And then wonder why people don’t post pics of truly incredible animals.
I just asked who drove the tractor? That thing was big enough to need one, why are you so defensive?
...and the picture is all over every channel of social media...
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 03, 2025, 03:39:44 PM
I’m not mad at all, that’s an incredible bull. (And honestly elk don’t mean near as much to me as mule deer) like I said, I’m not saying that he paid someone for the horns. I just said, there’s often more to the story than what people will say. Whether there is on this bull or not, I honestly don’t really care. As long as it was killed legally, which it sound like it was, I have 0 problem with it. Whether it was spot and stalk, shot on hay, or shot in someone’s backyard, it doesn’t matter. It was a free range bull that he killed with a bow. That is a feat in itself, but he killed the biggest of all time. Anyone can say “well if I had the money…” which may be true or not, but he has put himself in positions to kill giant bulls time after time and continues to make them count. For those that don’t know, that was his 12th 400”+ bull. So obviously he’s doing something right, governors tag or not.No finders fees , Good buddy of his .Incredible Bull Congrats CassyYeah I would be “good buddies” with someone who just paid me a ton of money for a bull’s location and horns. Not saying that’s the case here, but not every story is as it seems every time.
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But you are definitely casting aspersions that it was big money making friends in this case, aren't you?
It's not big money every time, but agreed that it often is. However, if @coachcw said it's not in this case, I'm betting is not.
You killed a masher buck this fall - why you mad, bro? It just comes across like sour grapes on your end, and it's comments like these that further reinforces people not wanting to post up pics.
*edited for clarity, I repeated myself
So in short, I’m not “salty” or a “sour grape”, I’m just saying, if someone paid me big money for some horns off a 200”+ buck I was chasing, I’m assuming I would be friends with them too. Maybe that sounded wrong on my first reply, but that’s what I meant.
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Post by: 85yota on January 03, 2025, 04:49:36 PM
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Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 03, 2025, 05:32:12 PM
Amazing bull. Can't say I would have been packing a bow on the last day...but I guess already having a dozen 400+ bulls on the wall changes your perspective.
Those familiar with scores/dry times...any chance this bull holds on to B&C world record after the 60 days? Looks like it can only lose an inch or two.
I think the Spyder Bull out of Utah was like near 500 green and after 60+ days ended up around 480 ( if that's at all a fair comparison )
Post by: trophyhunt on January 03, 2025, 05:54:00 PM
Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 03, 2025, 05:58:51 PM
Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
Post by: 85yota on January 03, 2025, 06:26:52 PM
Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
No lol, it's more inquisitive minds, trying to wrap there head around a potential world record. But when someone says free range no guides etc, people are going to question when stories of private land come up. It's all in good faith in my opinion, no different than when Michael Strahan broke the nfl sack record. People question things, but no one's really upset
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 03, 2025, 06:27:16 PM
Post by: buglebuster on January 03, 2025, 06:34:25 PM
The bull killed on I90 in 2015 comparison to this new potential WR. Same genetics?Probably his daddy lol
Post by: buglebuster on January 03, 2025, 06:35:12 PM
Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
Where did you get that from
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 03, 2025, 06:47:18 PM
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Post by: kentrek on January 03, 2025, 07:42:01 PM
I was blessed with holding and admiring this bull tonight! Truly the king of the mountain! Congrats Casey and to good friends to help make this happen!
Any chance this bull makes it to the pnw sportsman show ?? Id love to see it & maybe get a chance to put a tape on it
Gotta love big bulls
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 03, 2025, 07:44:28 PM
Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
Where did you get that from
There has been a few bulls killed in the past near towns that got the non hunting community up in arms so I was curious if this could be another residential bull that was known to the locals. If people had videos of it feeding in a field a few weeks before it was shot that means it wasn’t a bull that only the hunter knew about.
Post by: dvolmer on January 03, 2025, 07:51:27 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 07:53:16 PM
if that were the case every swinging dick trying to make a buck would’ve been after this bull. Just saying :dunno:Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
Where did you get that from
There has been a few bulls killed in the past near towns that got the non hunting community up in arms so I was curious if this could be another residential bull that was known to the locals. If people had videos of it feeding in a field a few weeks before it was shot that means it wasn’t a bull that only the hunter knew about.
Post by: buglebuster on January 03, 2025, 08:11:15 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on January 03, 2025, 08:14:21 PM
They were. This bull was knownif that were the case every swinging dick trying to make a buck would’ve been after this bull. Just saying :dunno:Such an awesome bull, what a dream! I saw A pic of him eating off a flake of hay tho, next to plowed snow like a driveway 🤔 heard rumor he was shot eating off a pile of apples 🤷♂️ I would love to hear the actual story, regardless, he’s incredible! I’d shoot him off bait too :chuckle:seen a video of him in a yard on 12-12-24. I’m leaning toward a local bull killed on feed as well. But, I’d shoot it too if all was legal.
So is this going to turn into another social media hunter hate game where the liberals claim us hunters killed a pet elk?
Where did you get that from
There has been a few bulls killed in the past near towns that got the non hunting community up in arms so I was curious if this could be another residential bull that was known to the locals. If people had videos of it feeding in a field a few weeks before it was shot that means it wasn’t a bull that only the hunter knew about.
Post by: bankwalker on January 03, 2025, 08:15:05 PM
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Post by: HntnFsh on January 03, 2025, 08:16:28 PM
Post by: High Climber on January 03, 2025, 08:17:46 PM
He looks even more impressive in this photo than the harvest picsMy gawd
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Post by: bankwalker on January 03, 2025, 08:19:37 PM
Getting interesting.
The truth always comes out when the animals harvested are local legends. And live most of their lives within city limits....even when those city limits are loosely defined.
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 08:23:34 PM
Getting interesting.
The truth always comes out when the animals harvested are local legends. And live most of their lives within city limits....even when those city limits are loosely defined.
[/quote the *censored* people come up with. Hunters our own worse enemy. Blows my mind.
Post by: huntandjeep on January 03, 2025, 08:24:29 PM
He looks even more impressive in this photo than the harvest pics
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Hmmm, guess the rumor of paying to access private just might be true ?
Post by: time2hunt on January 03, 2025, 08:26:48 PM
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Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 08:28:16 PM
The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 08:29:38 PM
About time to lock the thread since people just can’t enjoys pictures of a world record bull being shotun real!
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Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 08:30:41 PM
Getting interesting.
The truth always comes out when the animals harvested are local legends. And live most of their lives within city limits....even when those city limits are loosely defined.
So what are the lies here?
Post by: bankwalker on January 03, 2025, 08:33:56 PM
The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 03, 2025, 08:36:16 PM
are you local to the community?The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Post by: jackelope on January 03, 2025, 08:38:42 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 03, 2025, 08:38:50 PM
That is what I’d like to know.Getting interesting.
The truth always comes out when the animals harvested are local legends. And live most of their lives within city limits....even when those city limits are loosely defined.
So what are the lies here?
Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 08:38:53 PM
The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Can you give everyone a brief synopsis of the story? I can't even find the book written on "Hunting according to haters" :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 03, 2025, 08:39:49 PM
Getting interesting.
The truth always comes out when the animals harvested are local legends. And live most of their lives within city limits....even when those city limits are loosely defined.
Coming out of nowhere with the instigation here. I think it’s pretty uncalled for.
Post by: jackelope on January 03, 2025, 08:40:49 PM
Knock it off so a cool thread about a great bull and what seems like a pretty cool guy and accomplished elk hunter doesn’t get locked.
Post by: Dan-o on January 03, 2025, 08:42:50 PM
I was just trying to think of how to say exactly that.
Post by: Jason on January 03, 2025, 08:47:17 PM
Post by: teal101 on January 03, 2025, 08:51:31 PM
The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Wanna post some of those pictures?
Post by: huntandjeep on January 03, 2025, 08:54:59 PM
Any idea of where this brute was killed yet?Yeah :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on January 03, 2025, 08:55:52 PM
Any idea of where this brute was killed yet?I have zero idea...maybe in the vicinity of this one from 10ish years ago? :dunno:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,195504.msg2591471/topicseen.html#msg2591471
Has some similar vibes given the photos just recently shared. I'm sure everything is 100% legal on this recent bull given the media and its a huge bull regardless of where it was killed!
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 03, 2025, 09:01:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250104/9678729f12606c4dc275b49fc9f25964.jpeg)The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Wanna post some of those pictures?
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Post by: trophyhunt on January 03, 2025, 09:05:33 PM
that pic of the bull in someone’s back yard w lights, is a video, taken on 12-12-24. Still, I’d shoot that beast!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250104/9678729f12606c4dc275b49fc9f25964.jpeg)The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Oh you know the truth? Cause the dozens of photos surfacing of this bull alive tell a story of where this bull lived....
Wanna post some of those pictures?
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Post by: HillHound on January 03, 2025, 09:08:11 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 03, 2025, 09:17:14 PM
Jealousy has a way of rearing its ugly head anytime someone is successful. Great bull, who cares where he shot it or where it lived it’s lifewho wouldn’t shoot that pig! No story would have been better, neighborhood elk are always known. I don’t think jealously is the problem.
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 03, 2025, 09:21:13 PM
Jealousy has a way of rearing its ugly head anytime someone is successful. Great bull, who cares where he shot it or where it lived it’s lifeHow is trying to figure out the details to the story of the biggest elk ever shot jealousy?
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Post by: furbearer365 on January 03, 2025, 09:28:28 PM
Jealousy has a way of rearing its ugly head anytime someone is successful. Great bull, who cares where he shot it or where it lived it’s lifeHow is trying to figure out the details to the story of the biggest elk ever shot jealousy?
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Completely agree 💯. What's so wrong with wanting to know the story. I've been dupped more times than not when it comes to this sorta thing. Not saying, BY ANY MEANS, that the hunter did something wrong or unethical, but why can't a person hear the story before giving an "atta boy"
Post by: JJJ on January 03, 2025, 09:28:34 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: HillHound on January 03, 2025, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: BUTTER on January 03, 2025, 10:12:22 PM
Post by: elkrack on January 03, 2025, 10:19:19 PM
His son shared what they are willing to share. That's enough of what we deserve to know they didn't have to ever tell anyone
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Post by: teal101 on January 03, 2025, 10:23:37 PM
What do those pics prove? That the elk eats alfalfa? That it was approached by a human being? What exactly is everyone getting at? I guess this means any elk that eats in front of a camera is not fair chase? Not a legit hunt if you got a pic of it eating in front of a camera? Any animal that visits a feed station is off limits then right? :dunno:
I just wanted to see more pics of it :hello:
Post by: LDennis24 on January 03, 2025, 10:35:31 PM
Post by: Maverick on January 03, 2025, 11:13:35 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 03, 2025, 11:16:44 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 03, 2025, 11:16:50 PM
When I was in high school me and my buddy went duck hunting on the Lewis river, I had not been in the area we went and didn’t know the area. We killed some dandy mallards, big and fat. We went to his house and processed them and his dad asked where we went. My buddy told him the area we were in. He was like those are so and so’s ducks he feeds all year. I had no idea as no infrastructure was visible any where. Oh well legal hunt in my eyes we didn’t bait them, just had a great morning hunt.
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2025, 11:30:30 PM
Congrats to Casey, he hunted hard and took it to the final hours to get it. It takes balls to stick it out like he did…well done! :tup: :twocents:
Post by: duramax on January 03, 2025, 11:41:52 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on January 04, 2025, 12:39:28 AM
Post by: Craig on January 04, 2025, 05:05:43 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 04, 2025, 05:56:46 AM
Post by: boneaddict on January 04, 2025, 06:41:31 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 04, 2025, 07:16:55 AM
I don’t know anything about the bull or the hunter but from what I have seen congrats to Casey as he had a tag and it was killed legally from everything I have seen.
And this is why I never post any of my animal pictures or stories anywhere online. I also don’t kill animals of the caliber that would gather attention. One time I emailed a photo of a buck I killed to the maker of the rifle I used to kill the buck and he posted it on facebook and it went around the country in no time because so many people followed his page. I also have a buddy who shot a nice buck one time and as they were getting it to the road a guy stopped and congratulated them and asked if he could take a picture of it with him in it. My buddy thought ok whatever, later the picture was seen online with the guy claiming he killed it. :chuckle:
Once again congrats Casey and these big bulls always attract attention and stories. Hopefully nobody has a picture of this bull sharing a lollipop with a small child. :chuckle:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on January 04, 2025, 07:30:07 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 04, 2025, 07:43:30 AM
I bet Todds rolling over in his grave! :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 04, 2025, 07:44:22 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 04, 2025, 07:56:24 AM
Well at dinner my wife asked him if he was a professional hunter after he showed her some pictures :dunno: :chuckle:Isn't he ? He's on a pro staff .
Post by: Chad E. on January 04, 2025, 08:06:30 AM
I have killed animals that lived on farms etc. But I wouldnt be blasting it all over social media for the notoriety like his son did.The world record elk is going to get " blasted" all over social media regardless of who initially posts it up. Casey has multiple bull in the top 5 already. Call me crazy but I don't think he's doing it for the publicity.
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Post by: Gentrys on January 04, 2025, 08:07:29 AM
Post by: link on January 04, 2025, 08:25:28 AM
Well I went back and looked and don't see anywhere that the hunter himself claimed to be on public land deep in the wilderness or anything. In fact they didn't make any claims at all on how the hunt went down. If you just analyze the pics of the kill site you can see it's not in the "woods". The ground is clear and there is a fence post in the background. Possibly a marker for 811? Maybe next to a driveway? Who knows? But it's still a free range elk, a big one, and it eats alfalfa and was seen frolicking in someone's driveway after eating some questionable brownies off their porch. But again, it was a free range elk and so big that if your kids were petting it and feeding it lollipops and it crossed the street onto public land I would blow it away in a second if given the opportunity. :dunno:100% this.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 04, 2025, 08:42:44 AM
Post by: str8meat on January 04, 2025, 10:10:28 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 04, 2025, 10:12:10 AM
Love seeing all the pics of such a majestic animal!
Post by: furbearer365 on January 04, 2025, 10:15:15 AM
What do those pics prove? That the elk eats alfalfa? That it was approached by a human being? What exactly is everyone getting at? I guess this means any elk that eats in front of a camera is not fair chase? Not a legit hunt if you got a pic of it eating in front of a camera? Any animal that visits a feed station is off limits then right? :dunno:
It proves that this kill looses it's luster. If your mind doesn't see the difference between taking an animal that lives deep in the woods and one that eats out of your hand, than that's your issue. At this point, let's just start growing deer/elk in a lab on some farm and feeding them all the nutrients in the world. Then when they get to World Record Size, we shoot em and claim to be awesome. That is an impressive animal, and in my humble opinion, would of been better off alive in town than shot and some dude gets "congratulated" like he's a hero. And honestly, had this bull not been a potential World Record, the thinking may be different for folks. But when you get pumped that our state produced a possible Workd Record, then you find out it could of been shot in town, it doesnt feel right. Obviously there was no wrong doing, nothing illegal, and the man was free to take it, and so he did, but if we as hunters can't at least respect the game we hunt enough to see the difference between deep woods hunts and local town animals, that's crazy
Post by: huntandjeep on January 04, 2025, 10:16:45 AM
Aren't most of those from a reservation in Arizona ?I have killed animals that lived on farms etc. But I wouldnt be blasting it all over social media for the notoriety like his son did.Casey has multiple bull in the top 5 already. Call me crazy but I don't think he's doing it for the publicity.
:chuckle:
If he's not doing it for the publicity, why post them online ?
Post by: bigdub257 on January 04, 2025, 10:26:22 AM
It proves that this kill looses it's luster. If your mind doesn't see the difference between taking an animal that lives deep in the woods and one that eats out of your hand, than that's your issue. At this point, let's just start growing deer/elk in a lab on some farm and feeding them all the nutrients in the world. Then when they get to World Record Size, we shoot em and claim to be awesome. That is an impressive animal, and in my humble opinion, would of been better off alive in town than shot and some dude gets "congratulated" like he's a hero. And honestly, had this bull not been a potential World Record, the thinking may be different for folks. But when you get pumped that our state produced a possible Workd Record, then you find out it could of been shot in town, it doesnt feel right. Obviously there was no wrong doing, nothing illegal, and the man was free to take it, and so he did, but if we as hunters can't at least respect the game we hunt enough to see the difference between deep woods hunts and local town animals, that's crazy
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Well said. Couldn't agree more.
Post by: dilleytech on January 04, 2025, 10:29:43 AM
I’m glad it was shot and Washington can hold the potential world record. Better then getting hit by a car in the front yard.
Post by: snake on January 04, 2025, 10:37:26 AM
I heard it was a solo wilderness hunt. 18 mile pack out.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 04, 2025, 10:53:18 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 04, 2025, 10:56:05 AM
Post by: baldopepper on January 04, 2025, 10:58:21 AM
Post by: elkrack on January 04, 2025, 11:04:08 AM
Thoughts on age? Mature but if it put on 40 inches since last year maybe not as old as I would initially guess :dunno:
My :twocents: is atleast 9-10yo since G3 was hit 10 years ago
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 04, 2025, 11:13:38 AM
Thoughts on age? Mature but if it put on 40 inches since last year maybe not as old as I would initially guess :dunno:
My :twocents: is atleast 9-10yo since G3 was hit 10 years ago
Good point. I wonder if it's recessive and how much the cow factors in vs the bull when breeding
Post by: trophyhunt on January 04, 2025, 11:40:06 AM
sums it up!What do those pics prove? That the elk eats alfalfa? That it was approached by a human being? What exactly is everyone getting at? I guess this means any elk that eats in front of a camera is not fair chase? Not a legit hunt if you got a pic of it eating in front of a camera? Any animal that visits a feed station is off limits then right? :dunno:
It proves that this kill looses it's luster. If your mind doesn't see the difference between taking an animal that lives deep in the woods and one that eats out of your hand, than that's your issue. At this point, let's just start growing deer/elk in a lab on some farm and feeding them all the nutrients in the world. Then when they get to World Record Size, we shoot em and claim to be awesome. That is an impressive animal, and in my humble opinion, would of been better off alive in town than shot and some dude gets "congratulated" like he's a hero. And honestly, had this bull not been a potential World Record, the thinking may be different for folks. But when you get pumped that our state produced a possible Workd Record, then you find out it could of been shot in town, it doesnt feel right. Obviously there was no wrong doing, nothing illegal, and the man was free to take it, and so he did, but if we as hunters can't at least respect the game we hunt enough to see the difference between deep woods hunts and local town animals, that's crazy
Post by: TeacherMan on January 04, 2025, 11:40:59 AM
Post by: BUTTER on January 04, 2025, 11:59:42 AM
Post by: jstone on January 04, 2025, 12:15:05 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 04, 2025, 12:17:15 PM
I would like to see specific projects for each species funded by these tags. Whether it be habitat improvement, research or whatever else, it would be nice to see a dollar amount assigned to a project and know that the funds from the tag purchase went directly to that specific project.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 04, 2025, 12:46:16 PM
Jealousy runs deep inWAunsuccessful hunters, I've even seen a lot of post from tribal members that can hunt anywhere burning this guy and they hunt in Sept anywhere with suppressed rifles. End of day it was legal and he had the new world record bull. I agree not my taste of how to do it but if that bull was on my land and it was legal he wouldn't get off my land
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Post by: harveymarv on January 04, 2025, 12:53:02 PM
that being said, aside from the wow factor of the size of this elk, I respect and value a story of a hunt far more. and there's no story here - just pics and vague details and a lot of guessing (and jealous bashing).
one of my absolute favorite elk experiences was shooting a spike solo after a very challenging series of backcountry adversities. if I had to choose, I would take that experience instead of a trophy elk on private with finder "friends".
Post by: chukardogs on January 04, 2025, 12:54:52 PM
I haven't read all the information on the web about this animal and don't know how or where it was taken. I've seen the pictures that people are calling proof that the animal was a pet.
The individuals involved in the hunt are the only ones that can make this clear. Was the animal in someone's front yard? Was he out in the middle of nowhere? Seems to me, a basic area description and pictures of the animal being cut up and ready for the pack out would clear up a lot. Were horses used or was a tractor used to butcher the animal where it was taken?
That said, if the animal was shot on private property in the vicinity of buildings that it had been living and hanging around for a few weeks, just don't call it a trophy. Call it what it is, livestock.
My mom lived on Crooked River ranch in Oregon many years ago. The Mule deer were insane. Huge bucks laying in people's driveways. Trophy's?
Post by: buglebuster on January 04, 2025, 01:02:54 PM
If there wasn't a wolf, cougar or bear behind every tree, these deer, elk and moose, may not be living in people's yards.
I haven't read all the information on the web about this animal and don't know how or where it was taken. I've seen the pictures that people are calling proof that the animal was a pet.
The individuals involved in the hunt are the only ones that can make this clear. Was the animal in someone's front yard? Was he out in the middle of nowhere? Seems to me, a basic area description and pictures of the animal being cut up and ready for the pack out would clear up a lot. Were horses used or was a tractor used to butcher the animal where it was taken?
That said, if the animal was shot on private property in the vicinity of buildings that it had been living and hanging around for a few weeks, just don't call it a trophy. Call it what it is, livestock.
My mom lived on Crooked River ranch in Oregon many years ago. The Mule deer were insane. Huge bucks laying in people's driveways. Trophy's?
I’ve heard from multiple people that bull lived in town years round and never ventured far. The shooter Alonso has shot bucks on the crooked river ranch in Oregon to and caused quite the uproar, it’s funny you bring that place up lol.
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 01:22:04 PM
If that bull gave me 10 minutes i would have 500 photos and video....let alone if it live in my backyard year round
Idk much about the hunt and dont really care...its the hunters hunt not mine...im excited to see the habitat is there for a bull like this to exsist. The record books are about the animal
Post by: swanderek on January 04, 2025, 01:25:52 PM
Post by: furbearer365 on January 04, 2025, 01:30:28 PM
Post by: chukardogs on January 04, 2025, 01:31:12 PM
Post by: Jason on January 04, 2025, 01:36:50 PM
I will tell him nice car and looks cool and good job financially to put himself in the spot to buy the car. But to me some appreciation is withheld because I know he didn’t do squat besides paying for the car. I’m not jealous, I just know it was bought not built. I personally would be more proud if he had built it himself.
This applies to hunts for me. I haven’t heard the whole story yet so I’m staying reserved. I’d like to hear from start to finish on how this bull was first being hunted to when it was killed. Give me something to appreciate besides the shear mass of this Elk and for the projects that may be completed from the money raised from this tag. The rumors circling all over the internet that this bull never ventured onto public hunting lands and never far from the town where it was killed is unfortunate to hear. Is this all true? I hope it’s not true and would be nice to know.
The hunter Casey potentially gets to hold the title of World Record Elk, no doubt and he owns that. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with the way it happened or say sorry for the lack of appreciation I or others may have for the hunt.
Post by: furbearer365 on January 04, 2025, 01:51:41 PM
Here’s how I look at this situation. This is like a buddy who shows up to your house to show off his 69 Chevy hot rod that he just bought from someone else who put in all the hard work and time to make it what it is. Yes, he is the owner of said hot rod and that is the title he owns when he is driving around town in a cool hot rod that someone else built.
I will tell him nice car and looks cool and good job financially to put himself in the spot to buy the car. But to me some appreciation is withheld because I know he didn’t do squat besides paying for the car. I’m not jealous, I just know it was bought not built. I personally would be more proud if he had built it himself.
This applies to hunts for me. I haven’t heard the whole story yet so I’m staying reserved. I’d like to hear from start to finish on how this bull was first being hunted to when it was killed. Give me something to appreciate besides the shear mass of this Elk and for the projects that may be completed from the money raised from this tag. The rumors circling all over the internet that this bull never ventured onto public hunting lands and never far from the town where it was killed is unfortunate to hear. Is this all true? I hope it’s not true and would be nice to know.
The hunter Casey potentially gets to hold the title of World Record Elk, no doubt and he owns that. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with the way it happened or say sorry for the lack of appreciation I or others may have for the hunt.
Thank you for saying this......
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 04, 2025, 01:52:41 PM
I think the facts tell enough. Dude shot a possible new World Record, with a bow, on the very last possible day, and his son comes out immediately to overly praise him. To me, all signs point to BS. No way someone wakes up on the very last day of having a raffle tag, decides to grab a stick and string, goes deep into the woods and happens to arrow a new World Record. His son going over the top bragging about his dad's "accomplishments" is a sign of guilt and trying to get the narrative set. If I'm wrong so be it, but it all smells weird. And this whole "jealousy" rant is played out and off base. Too often in the hunting world do these sort of things play out the way we think. Years later we even hear about little details that tell a different story. Can't blame people for catching red flags in the stories their told
:yeah: I can't wrap my mind around the jealousy thing either. Dude shot a big bull elk in a neighborhood? I do wonder what drew that particular bull to hang out in that particular hood? Feed? Folks will always speculate if there is no details. Why not bring on the full story?
Post by: TeacherMan on January 04, 2025, 01:53:59 PM
Post by: boneaddict on January 04, 2025, 01:55:24 PM
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I do wonder what drew that particular bull to hang out in that particular hood?
Typically it’s because 2% of the population is shooting at it instead of 98%, and there are 90% less wolves and cats. Though that is changing.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 04, 2025, 01:59:35 PM
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Post by: boneaddict on January 04, 2025, 02:10:53 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 02:12:00 PM
His son is proud of him...so what
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 04, 2025, 02:14:05 PM
Does this look like the same bull?
Yes same bull.. :chuckle: Its just smelling the bait not eating it.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 04, 2025, 02:18:13 PM
That’s obviously photoshopped, why are you posting that?
This thread needed some spice :dunno:
Post by: LDennis24 on January 04, 2025, 02:23:46 PM
Post by: 7mmBuckley on January 04, 2025, 02:27:39 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 04, 2025, 02:37:35 PM
I think the facts tell enough. Dude shot a possible new World Record, with a bow, on the very last possible day, and his son comes out immediately to overly praise him. To me, all signs point to BS. No way someone wakes up on the very last day of having a raffle tag, decides to grab a stick and string, goes deep into the woods and happens to arrow a new World Record. His son going over the top bragging about his dad's "accomplishments" is a sign of guilt and trying to get the narrative set. If I'm wrong so be it, but it all smells weird. And this whole "jealousy" rant is played out and off base. Too often in the hunting world do these sort of things play out the way we think. Years later we even hear about little details that tell a different story. Can't blame people for catching red flags in the stories their toldagree, and the word jealously in this thread holds no water, just like the word racist, over used !
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 04, 2025, 02:44:55 PM
Asking for a friend :chuckle:
Post by: Mfowl on January 04, 2025, 02:50:21 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 04, 2025, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 04, 2025, 03:38:19 PM
Is Casey Brooks the same guy that has archery hunted several of the auction ram tags?Yep
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 03:39:47 PM
You’d think long ago rules for record book entries would’ve been established. I am not sure mans quest for notoriety and record books will stop. Is there really a difference in a high fence hunt vs a neighborhood resident?
Is there a difference between high fence and backcountry limited entry permit ? Or rutted mulies that dont care about hunters ? But since the average joe does it its okay right ? If the record books catered to every different hunters perspective on fair chase and "how it should be done" then there would be no record books....where would the record book line be ? 100 yards from city limits ? A mile from any paved road ? The more rules only take away from the animals and make it more about the hunters
All the nit picky stuff is just a distraction from an awesome animal...it doesnt remotely matter if an old guy thats got busted knees and back decided to hunt from a ground blind over some "bait"... id do exactly the same thing
Post by: mr.ktm95 on January 04, 2025, 03:43:02 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 04, 2025, 03:46:54 PM
You’d think long ago rules for record book entries would’ve been established. I am not sure mans quest for notoriety and record books will stop. Is there really a difference in a high fence hunt vs a neighborhood resident?
Is there a difference between high fence and backcountry limited entry permit ? Or rutted mulies that dont care about hunters ? But since the average joe does it its okay right ? If the record books catered to every different hunters perspective on fair chase and "how it should be done" then there would be no record books....where would the record book line be ? 100 yards from city limits ? A mile from any paved road ? The more rules only take away from the animals and make it more about the hunters
All the nit picky stuff is just a distraction from an awesome animal...it doesnt remotely matter if an old guy thats got busted knees and back decided to hunt from a ground blind over some "bait"... id do exactly the same thing
I actually could give two rips, just bored before feeding the cows. I have seen some of these perspectives change since I started hunting in the early 90’s. No biggy just different. Can a high fence bull be entered into the record books?
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 03:51:11 PM
You’d think long ago rules for record book entries would’ve been established. I am not sure mans quest for notoriety and record books will stop. Is there really a difference in a high fence hunt vs a neighborhood resident?
Is there a difference between high fence and backcountry limited entry permit ? Or rutted mulies that dont care about hunters ? But since the average joe does it its okay right ? If the record books catered to every different hunters perspective on fair chase and "how it should be done" then there would be no record books....where would the record book line be ? 100 yards from city limits ? A mile from any paved road ? The more rules only take away from the animals and make it more about the hunters
All the nit picky stuff is just a distraction from an awesome animal...it doesnt remotely matter if an old guy thats got busted knees and back decided to hunt from a ground blind over some "bait"... id do exactly the same thing
I actually could give two rips, just bored before feeding the cows. I have seen some of these perspectives change since I started hunting in the early 90’s. No biggy just different. Can a high fence bull be entered into the record books?
Sci books
Im beting there is high fence opperations that are more difficult than some of the public land draw hunts entered into the B&C
Just food for thought
Post by: huntandjeep on January 04, 2025, 03:55:01 PM
Why does the public feel entitled to a "story" ? Its not your bull...im surprised they posted photos but im betting they thought the bull deserved it, not the hunterPublic doesn't need a story . But when his kid and Hoyt went on Instagram and started with the # DIY# Public land # Etc etc etc , then you start hearing about a big trespassing fee paid , shot over bait , private land blah blah blah . Kinda makes you wonder what really went down .
His son is proud of him...so what
Post by: LDennis24 on January 04, 2025, 03:55:18 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 04:04:12 PM
Why does the public feel entitled to a "story" ? Its not your bull...im surprised they posted photos but im betting they thought the bull deserved it, not the hunterPublic doesn't need a story . But when his kid and Hoyt went on Instagram and started with the # DIY# Public land # Etc etc etc , then you start hearing about a big trespassing fee paid , shot over bait , private land blah blah blah . Kinda makes you wonder what really went down .
His son is proud of him...so what
If i was to guess, he probably hunted both private and public..he probably had as many options as he could get at his disposal....if it was killed on public then great, if it was killed 100 yards over an invisible boundary on private that he paid to get access to then even better...land owner and hunter both win
If hes proud of it then thats enough
Post by: blackdog on January 04, 2025, 04:50:46 PM
Post by: Roperfive88 on January 04, 2025, 05:05:08 PM
Man if you read some posts on Facebook from people that live around there you read everything from running it with snow machines and piles of bait.
Really I read it on Facebook so it must be true.
Hunter attacking hunters is only adding fuel to the fire of the antis. There are many methods of hunting and no one is better then the other. We all have our preferences so to each his own . Hunters quit bashing other hunters. Legal harvest is all that matters.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 04, 2025, 05:11:33 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 04, 2025, 05:27:24 PM
I think the facts tell enough. Dude shot a possible new World Record, with a bow, on the very last possible day, and his son comes out immediately to overly praise him. To me, all signs point to BS. No way someone wakes up on the very last day of having a raffle tag, decides to grab a stick and string, goes deep into the woods and happens to arrow a new World Record. His son going over the top bragging about his dad's "accomplishments" is a sign of guilt and trying to get the narrative set. If I'm wrong so be it, but it all smells weird. And this whole "jealousy" rant is played out and off base. Too often in the hunting world do these sort of things play out the way we think. Years later we even hear about little details that tell a different story. Can't blame people for catching red flags in the stories their toldagree, and the word jealously in this thread holds no water, just like the word racist, over used !
Interesting the amount of times Jealousy is brought up in these high $$$$$ killings, but NEVER do you see any talk about Greed. Both have a place in this, but I truly believe the latter has more of a detrimental effect on the future of hunting.
Its a gigantic bull, gorgeous, but better suited to look at roaming where it did, than to hang on a wall with countless others in its class.
Post by: ipkus on January 04, 2025, 06:49:05 PM
The thing this proves to me yet again is that social media is the scourge of modern society. If this hunt happens, the bull is harvested, everyone involved is happy. It blows up when the bull is posed for pictures like they’re somewhere in the woods and a narrative is provided that mentions nothing of the actual details of what went down, and then it’s blasted across the World Wide Web.
For god’s sake people, stop screaming look at me and so many problems today would dissipate.
Post by: kentrek on January 04, 2025, 06:53:07 PM
Post by: G.R.K on January 04, 2025, 07:03:05 PM
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 04, 2025, 09:10:47 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on January 04, 2025, 10:46:03 PM
That is what she asked him. I don’t know why she asked? So he didn’t fill the black tail, white tail and mule deer tag before the end of the year?Well at dinner my wife asked him if he was a professional hunter after he showed her some pictures :dunno: :chuckle:Isn't he ? He's on a pro staff .
Post by: fuzznuts on January 04, 2025, 11:22:08 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 07:24:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2025, 07:49:05 AM
Wow, here are the facts. Casey shot an amazing bull. This was not a fluke, time and effort went into hunting this specific bull. On the last day of the season the bull showed up and made a mistake. Casey is a dedicated hunter with a lot of experience but he also can bankroll a team of people looking for the animals he is hunting. In the end, he was in the right place at the right time.
For ya’ll to drool over here are a few on the hoof. This bull didn’t magically appear where he was hunting on the last day. He was specifically hunting it and knew general location.
Those pics have all already been posted. The drooling is done.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 05, 2025, 07:54:42 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 08:08:46 AM
Honest question for all that have the “facts”. Was this bull eating alfalfa? Was is being baited?
I guess I do not know why this matters in Washington or for this hunt. If it were Montana it would matter but it’s legal in Washington and I don’t see anything in Pope and Young’s rules that ban hunting over bait either. Maybe I’m missing something but this just boils down to a matter of personal ethos.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 05, 2025, 08:14:50 AM
Honest question for all that have the “facts”. Was this bull eating alfalfa? Was is being baited?
I guess I do not know why this matters in Washington or for this hunt. If it were Montana it would matter but it’s legal in Washington and I don’t see anything in Pope and Young’s rules that ban hunting over bait either. Maybe I’m missing something but this just boils down to a matter of personal ethos.
It really doesn't matter, just curious :dunno:
Post by: Alan K on January 05, 2025, 08:16:27 AM
The only difference in this case is the guy spent a lot of money to do so. Legal in both cases. We should at least be consistent in what is celebrated (or denounced). :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on January 05, 2025, 08:30:11 AM
Our state doesn't manage for trophies,dinks with a tiny dash of opportunity is all your gonna get on public land.
Your dang lucky if you find that.
Corn for deer
Alfalfa for elk
Don't mix the bait guys,don't mix the red and blue pills in the matrix... 😂
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 08:40:07 AM
It’s legal but against our HOA rules but heck most people would pay the $20 HOA fine for a bull like this.
Post by: hunter399 on January 05, 2025, 08:43:42 AM
I think quite a few of us live in similar locations to where this bull was killed. I personally do and I have made a personal decision not to hunt where I live as I prefer to let them live and hunt elsewhere. I know I have neighbors who feel differently and they have feeders setup with cameras and choose to hunt on their land and the neighboring timber company land.I don't hunt the town deer myself. I feed the town deer. But don't hunt them.
It’s legal but against our HOA rules but heck most people would pay the $20 HOA fine for a bull like this.
Post by: baldopepper on January 05, 2025, 09:05:58 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 09:15:13 AM
Personally don't care how different people hunt, just wonder if they really enjoy hunting the way I do. Those mornings when you're sitting under a pine tree waiting for the sun to come up, the morning chatter of the birds, good fresh mountain air in your lungs and all the daily burdens left behind for a while. That late evening when you're sitting on a ridge lookout or edge of a clearing hoping something will pop out but not to upset if it doesn't because the evening is just too quiet and beautiful. Sitting around the campfire with goodfriends or family enjoying a comradeship that only comes when you escape life's usual drudgery. I guess if you've got the money and time to pave the way to a trophy kill its ok, but personally don't need to do that to enjoy my hunts and make memories beyond a trophy on the wall.
:yeah: Sounds like the 2 of us enjoy the same things about hunting. Heck if I had this tag or a similar tag I would most likely fill it in late September on a meadow with a bull that we call in. Most likely it would score in the low 300’s and I would quietly mount the head and hang it proudly in my office and most of the world would never know.
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 05, 2025, 09:31:58 AM
Personally don't care how different people hunt, just wonder if they really enjoy hunting the way I do. Those mornings when you're sitting under a pine tree waiting for the sun to come up, the morning chatter of the birds, good fresh mountain air in your lungs and all the daily burdens left behind for a while. That late evening when you're sitting on a ridge lookout or edge of a clearing hoping something will pop out but not to upset if it doesn't because the evening is just too quiet and beautiful. Sitting around the campfire with goodfriends or family enjoying a comradeship that only comes when you escape life's usual drudgery. I guess if you've got the money and time to pave the way to a trophy kill its ok, but personally don't need to do that to enjoy my hunts and make memories beyond a trophy on the wall.
Bingo!!!
If. IF!, the rumors are true and Casey's bull dethrones the current WR non typical, so be it. The current WR was harvested on a farm that the hunter grew up on. Not really a interesting story. But if Casey's bull were to take top slot over someones story like the current Typical WR holder ( not gonna happen, different classification ) it would be a shame. Much more interesting hunting experience to read about
The Felix Bull
"The number one typical elk of all time lived and died on federal land in Montana's Powder River country. Steve Felix, an EMT by trade, spotted the 430 1/8 inch bull from 100 yards out while it was feeding, bugling, and raking trees in a basin on the morning of September 10, 2016. Felix was hunting solo that day, hoping to clear his mind after responding to a fatal car crash while on the clock with the Montana Department of Transportation"
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 05, 2025, 09:32:34 AM
Post by: kentrek on January 05, 2025, 10:35:45 AM
There are guys on here that shoot late season whitetails neck deep in hay piles or even yard deer that get nothing but pats on the back and congrats from the forum.
Well thats different because everyone does it....its only an issue when it involves a big bull on a money type tag...oh and its not a jealousy thing :chuckle:
Infact its pretty funny how peoples ethos completly change when they see others shoot big critters in general... theres always a "yeah but...." when theres a big antlers involved
Its a big reason many dont share animals anymore...guys will instantly toss in the "yeah but..xyz" to down grade the accomplishment
Post by: Buckjunkie on January 05, 2025, 11:06:42 AM
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“Its a big reason many dont share animals anymore...guys will instantly toss in the "yeah but..xyz" to down grade the accomplishment”
100%. I know very successful hunters that HuntWa will never hear about. Hunters are generally Type A. This means we must be the best and anyone else doing well must be cheating…
Post by: hunter399 on January 05, 2025, 11:13:02 AM
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“Its a big reason many dont share animals anymore...guys will instantly toss in the "yeah but..xyz" to down grade the accomplishment”
100%. I know very successful hunters that HuntWa will never hear about. Hunters are generally Type A. This means we must be the best and anyone else doing well must be cheating…
I know a lot of guys that don't post.
Post by: hunter399 on January 05, 2025, 11:18:31 AM
But I don't have a yard I can hunt in. So public land it is.
Bait or not to bait.
I say might as well, with CWD already inside the backdoor.
Do it while you can.
I do have friends that have never hunted public land.
Sometimes they eat tag soup, sometimes they shoot giants.
Just all part of hunting.
Post by: baldopepper on January 05, 2025, 11:24:10 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2025, 12:08:57 PM
Just talking to a friend about the big bull and he said he thinks some of the big trophy racks he sees are like the participation trophies kids get for just being on a sports team. Not sure I totally agree, but it gave me a chuckle
He's just jealous :tung:
Post by: huntandjeep on January 05, 2025, 12:25:46 PM
Just talking to a friend about the big bull and he said he thinks some of the big trophy racks he sees are like the participation trophies kids get for just being on a sports team. Not sure I totally agree, but it gave me a chuckleI don't look at them like participation trophy's , more like pay to win
And no I'm not jealous of the guys born into money that can throw 100s of thousands a year at tags .
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 05, 2025, 12:35:40 PM
Just don't get the cloud of secrecy around the story...I mean the world record elk should have a story... regardless of how it went down.
Nothing is owed to anyone...but it's the Internet. If you don't tell your story it will get told for you..
As is the case..
It wasn't a secret bull ...it was a pretty low key area ..but if there's concern telling the story will blow up the area...to late ..that ship sailed as soon as the bull was posted.
Record's and recognition are cool for some I guess..but shrouded in controversy takes some of the wow factor away... :twocents:
Post by: 7mmBuckley on January 05, 2025, 12:53:02 PM
I’ve been thinking for several days now how to respond to a lot of comments on here. This was a free range bull for one. No high fence. The bull is harvested. Everyone is in awe of such a bull. A day later the whitefoots start showing pictures of this bull in a driveway, in someone’s yard etc. it’s crazy when the natives kill a huge bull or any bull for that matter and the a average hunter who can’t draw a tag does nothing but bash natives. Then we have a guy who buys a tag and kills a new world record legally. Then the natives bitch and complain showing pictures of the bull around houses and private property. Now turning hunters against hunters. Makes me sick! These animals summer in the mountains and winter closer to town. What blows me away even more is guys on here saying there’s no way they would kill this bull. I call out anyone of you that say you would not kill this bull if it were you had a tag and it were legal! The fact of the matter is no one involved in this hunt owes any of you a story of how the hunt went down. This is an incredible animal and it should be celebrated as such. Like I’ve said before hunters our are worst enemy! Keep the hate alive guys! Great job!
You must have not seen the posts from the hunters kid where he went on and on about his dad being the best elk hunter ever. Saying he has been hunting this bull since September and been watching it for a few years. The problem I have is I don’t care how or where he killed the Bull BUT don’t make a story up to make it look like it was. DIY tough hunt when this Bull has been fed apples and alfalfa since the rut. If family n friends didn’t brag about such a hard hunt myself as well as others would tip our hat BUT this is a pretty well known Bull and a ton of locals knew where the Bull was and it was shot on the last day with a bow. This hunter should know by now to keep any of his stories quiet because a ton of people will bitch because of jealousy. Just like you calling out the Whitefoots!! I don’t agree with some of the rights that natives have BUT as far as I know the Whitefoots have never been charged with Poaching an animal. Don’t blame the player blame the GAME!!
Post by: RC on January 05, 2025, 01:26:24 PM
If I were ever fortunate enough to shoot a bull of that caliber, I can guarantee you would not see it any public place. There’s just no benefit.
Sure, I’ll take pictures, but those are only sent to a very select group of friends and family. I have no problem letting other people see pics…but only on my phone.
Post by: Tbar on January 05, 2025, 01:32:20 PM
:yeah:I’ve been thinking for several days now how to respond to a lot of comments on here. This was a free range bull for one. No high fence. The bull is harvested. Everyone is in awe of such a bull. A day later the whitefoots start showing pictures of this bull in a driveway, in someone’s yard etc. it’s crazy when the natives kill a huge bull or any bull for that matter and the a average hunter who can’t draw a tag does nothing but bash natives. Then we have a guy who buys a tag and kills a new world record legally. Then the natives bitch and complain showing pictures of the bull around houses and private property. Now turning hunters against hunters. Makes me sick! These animals summer in the mountains and winter closer to town. What blows me away even more is guys on here saying there’s no way they would kill this bull. I call out anyone of you that say you would not kill this bull if it were you had a tag and it were legal! The fact of the matter is no one involved in this hunt owes any of you a story of how the hunt went down. This is an incredible animal and it should be celebrated as such. Like I’ve said before hunters our are worst enemy! Keep the hate alive guys! Great job!
You must have not seen the posts from the hunters kid where he went on and on about his dad being the best elk hunter ever. Saying he has been hunting this bull since September and been watching it for a few years. The problem I have is I don’t care how or where he killed the Bull BUT don’t make a story up to make it look like it was. DIY tough hunt when this Bull has been fed apples and alfalfa since the rut. If family n friends didn’t brag about such a hard hunt myself as well as others would tip our hat BUT this is a pretty well known Bull and a ton of locals knew where the Bull was and it was shot on the last day with a bow. This hunter should know by now to keep any of his stories quiet because a ton of people will bitch because of jealousy. Just like you calling out the Whitefoots!! I don’t agree with some of the rights that natives have BUT as far as I know the Whitefoots have never been charged with Poaching an animal. Don’t blame the player blame the GAME!!
Way to paint with a broad brush teanawayslayer. As well as attempt to deflect more than others have already done. The whole ordeal smells weird, legal or not, it's weird. I have seen zero natives bashing on here but may have missed something. If not you're relishing the Facebook drama and bringing it here as others have done the last few days.
Post by: jrebel on January 05, 2025, 01:40:52 PM
That is one hell of a bull and as long as it was killed legally......congrats to the hunter. :tup:
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 01:53:20 PM
I was blessed with holding and admiring this bull tonight! Truly the king of the mountain! Congrats Casey and to good friends to help make this happen!
Hey guys, Teanawayslayer appears to know the guy and has been very defensive of anything negative said about this bull from day one of this being on this forum. Challenging him and what he says isn’t going to make a difference.
Post by: 280ackley on January 05, 2025, 01:54:06 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 05, 2025, 01:59:15 PM
Post by: baldopepper on January 05, 2025, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 05, 2025, 02:12:08 PM
blah blah blah. I have no skin in the game. I know people who were involved and this hunt was on the up and up. Your right I don’t give a *censored* about your opinion😁I was blessed with holding and admiring this bull tonight! Truly the king of the mountain! Congrats Casey and to good friends to help make this happen!
Hey guys, Teanawayslayer appears to know the guy and has been very defensive of anything negative said about this bull from day one of this being on this forum. Challenging him and what he says isn’t going to make a difference.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2025, 02:15:37 PM
blah blah blah. I have no skin in the game. I know people who were involved and this hunt was on the up and up. Your right I don’t give a *censored* about your opinion😁I was blessed with holding and admiring this bull tonight! Truly the king of the mountain! Congrats Casey and to good friends to help make this happen!
Hey guys, Teanawayslayer appears to know the guy and has been very defensive of anything negative said about this bull from day one of this being on this forum. Challenging him and what he says isn’t going to make a difference.
Hey guys, I think Teanawayslayer is secretly Beau Brooks. I just realized it by making an assumption about why he believes this elk hunt was legit and stuff...
Post by: Bob33 on January 05, 2025, 02:17:14 PM
I could be wrong, but I think what has most people throwing shade is because of the first social media post that put out for folks to see. It was put out by the hunters son, and was highly misleading. That's why you see all the post congratulating the hunter in the first couple days after the post, then as different pictures of the bull start to show you can see the change in the tone of peoples comments.Right. So why all the distdain and contemp for the hunter?
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 05, 2025, 02:17:56 PM
now thats funny right there!blah blah blah. I have no skin in the game. I know people who were involved and this hunt was on the up and up. Your right I don’t give a *censored* about your opinion😁I was blessed with holding and admiring this bull tonight! Truly the king of the mountain! Congrats Casey and to good friends to help make this happen!
Hey guys, Teanawayslayer appears to know the guy and has been very defensive of anything negative said about this bull from day one of this being on this forum. Challenging him and what he says isn’t going to make a difference.
Hey guys, I think Teanawayslayer is secretly Beau Brooks. I just realized it by making an assumption about why he believes this elk hunt was legit and stuff...
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2025, 02:19:20 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 05, 2025, 02:28:53 PM
The Whitfoots can, and have done what they want. They will never be charged with poaching.exactly, can’t be poaching if there aren’t any limits.
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 02:36:06 PM
This is a great bull and I have seen nothing to say it wasn’t a legal kill or anything that makes me think it could even be illegal or unethical. However, pope and young and Boone and Crocker have their own set of rules that you must meet in order for a kill to be considered for the record book. And the shooter is required to sign an affidavit saying he met those requirements. Obviously Casey has done this in the past and he knew exactly what was required to get this bull into the record book.
At the end of the day this is not the biggest bull to ever walk the planet or to even be killed by a hunter. It is merely (maybe) the biggest bull that has been killed by a hunter that could meet the requirements to be entered into these record books.
Post by: MADMAX on January 05, 2025, 02:38:41 PM
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2025, 02:57:56 PM
Elk make people crazy
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
Bingo.
Post by: HntnFsh on January 05, 2025, 03:04:11 PM
Elk make people crazy
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
And from what I've seen an read. There is no reason to think it wasn't taken legally.
I don't think anyone is implying it was.
Post by: MADMAX on January 05, 2025, 03:16:16 PM
Elk make people crazy
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
And from what I've seen an read. There is no reason to think it wasn't taken legally.
I don't think anyone is implying it was.
I wasn’t either
Post by: Sundance on January 05, 2025, 03:44:29 PM
This is my feelings when I see a bull of this caliber, then walk out to my garage and look at my Roosevelt racks, non of which break 270”. Super cool bull, hope to one day have an opportunity to see or hunt one like it.
Post by: HntnFsh on January 05, 2025, 04:00:29 PM
Elk make people crazy
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
And from what I've seen an read. There is no reason to think it wasn't taken legally.
I don't think anyone is implying it was.
I wasn’t either
Sorry if that came across wrong. Wasn't implying you were.
Post by: MADMAX on January 05, 2025, 04:15:03 PM
It’s too bad some hunters can’t just say congrats nice elk
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2025, 04:17:53 PM
Recently I pulled up to a boat launch where a guy had his newer DuckWater Ocean 23’ boat, a seaduck killing machine. I had my riveted 17’ tracker which I stripped to bare hull and rebuilt over 4-months into a saltwater fishing/hunting platform. The guy complimented me on my boat, but he was super proud of the boat he bought. The boat he has is exactly the platform I want, I just don’t have $75k to invest in a non-commercial operation at this time. Even though I was impressed, and slightly envious, I still have a lot of pride in my boat. That guy most likely has far more financial means than I, for reasons I’ll never know. His success/life situation has no bearing on mine or the things I’ve accomplished.
This is my feelings when I see a bull of this caliber, then walk out to my garage and look at my Roosevelt racks, non of which break 270”. Super cool bull, hope to one day have an opportunity to see or hunt one like it.
Great analogy.
I bet the guy has a lot of pride in his boat too.
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 05, 2025, 04:43:36 PM
At the end of the day this is not the biggest bull to ever walk the planet or to even be killed by a hunter. It is merely (maybe) the biggest bull that has been killed by a hunter that could meet the requirements to be entered into these record books.
I often wonder when "breaking news" like this hits the hunting community, and some hunter grins and glances over at their trophy and says to themselves, "the world will never know"
I'm sure there are a few signed taxidermist NDA's
It would be a difficult secret to keep, but I bet some WR's will remain a secret. Its fun to think about that.
Post by: Shooter4 on January 05, 2025, 04:45:18 PM
I’ve been thinking for several days now how to respond to a lot of comments on here. This was a free range bull for one. No high fence. The bull is harvested. Everyone is in awe of such a bull. A day later the whitefoots start showing pictures of this bull in a driveway, in someone’s yard etc. it’s crazy when the natives kill a huge bull or any bull for that matter and the a average hunter who can’t draw a tag does nothing but bash natives. Then we have a guy who buys a tag and kills a new world record legally. Then the natives bitch and complain showing pictures of the bull around houses and private property. Now turning hunters against hunters. Makes me sick! These animals summer in the mountains and winter closer to town. What blows me away even more is guys on here saying there’s no way they would kill this bull. I call out anyone of you that say you would not kill this bull if it were you had a tag and it were legal! The fact of the matter is no one involved in this hunt owes any of you a story of how the hunt went down. This is an incredible animal and it should be celebrated as such. Like I’ve said before hunters our are worst enemy! Keep the hate alive guys! Great job!yakima indians are just jealous if they would manage the elk they have in there 800,000 acres they mag have some of this caliber but they cant help themselves…
Post by: time2hunt on January 05, 2025, 04:57:30 PM
Like you said if the Washington tribes weren’t so greedy and manage there own land they could be guiding high quality hunt on there lands and truly support there elders .I’ve been thinking for several days now how to respond to a lot of comments on here. This was a free range bull for one. No high fence. The bull is harvested. Everyone is in awe of such a bull. A day later the whitefoots start showing pictures of this bull in a driveway, in someone’s yard etc. it’s crazy when the natives kill a huge bull or any bull for that matter and the a average hunter who can’t draw a tag does nothing but bash natives. Then we have a guy who buys a tag and kills a new world record legally. Then the natives bitch and complain showing pictures of the bull around houses and private property. Now turning hunters against hunters. Makes me sick! These animals summer in the mountains and winter closer to town. What blows me away even more is guys on here saying there’s no way they would kill this bull. I call out anyone of you that say you would not kill this bull if it were you had a tag and it were legal! The fact of the matter is no one involved in this hunt owes any of you a story of how the hunt went down. This is an incredible animal and it should be celebrated as such. Like I’ve said before hunters our are worst enemy! Keep the hate alive guys! Great job!yakima indians are just jealous if they would manage the elk they have in there 800,000 acres they mag have some of this caliber but they cant help themselves…
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Post by: bearhunter99 on January 05, 2025, 05:08:08 PM
Exactly this! My grandfather had a 38” Muley, pure 4x4, deep forks and symmetrical. It was an absolute giant but I never got to hold the rack, just saw a picture when I was young. He had it hanging on the old barn and some youths that were mad at him for busting them for trespassing came up and busted up all the racks on the barn. I always wondered what it would score. He only showed me the picture once when I showed him a picture of the “then” world record that I saw in a magazine.
At the end of the day this is not the biggest bull to ever walk the planet or to even be killed by a hunter. It is merely (maybe) the biggest bull that has been killed by a hunter that could meet the requirements to be entered into these record books.
I often wonder when "breaking news" like this hits the hunting community, and some hunter grins and glances over at his trophy and says to themselves, "the world will never know"
I'm sure there are a few signed taxidermist NDA's
It would be a difficult secret to keep, but I bet some WR's will remain a secret. Its fun to think about that.
He had some pictures of some dandies but all their photo albums got destroyed in a fire when I was a teenager.
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Post by: CarbonHunter on January 05, 2025, 05:08:59 PM
When I did finally kill an animal that qualified for pope and young requirements I silently had it stuffed and placed in my office without telling anyone or posting anything. To me knowing that I hit the requirements are good enough to me. Especially after seeing the multiple times where people (not this hunter) broke the ethics to try and get their name in the books.
Post by: huntandjeep on January 05, 2025, 05:13:19 PM
Happens more then you think :tup:
At the end of the day this is not the biggest bull to ever walk the planet or to even be killed by a hunter. It is merely (maybe) the biggest bull that has been killed by a hunter that could meet the requirements to be entered into these record books.
I often wonder when "breaking news" like this hits the hunting community, and some hunter grins and glances over at his trophy and says to themselves, "the world will never know"
I'm sure there are a few signed taxidermist NDA's
It would be a difficult secret to keep, but I bet some WR's will remain a secret. Its fun to think about that.
Post by: ldjbuff on January 05, 2025, 05:40:26 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 05, 2025, 05:58:35 PM
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
Post by: metlhead on January 05, 2025, 06:13:07 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2025, 06:57:11 PM
Post by: Geno on January 05, 2025, 07:07:29 PM
Serious question for those who know. Surprised it has not been asked yet.
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
Incredible animal regardless of the circumstances that it was harvested...as long as it was legal. I don't know the specifics, but if this animal was harvested on a property that has HOA rules that prohibit hunting then it may not be a legal kill. Having been involved in a million dollar + HOA lawsuit that changed my life forever, HOA rules can be prosecuted in court and should not be ignored. Just as serious as a game animal that is killed on a property that has been posted as "NO HUNTING". Congrats to the hunter as long as it was done within the law...
Time will tell, someone on this forum knows what really happened and after reading 19 pages of this and I still don't know.
Post by: Caseyd on January 05, 2025, 07:19:41 PM
Serious question for those who know. Surprised it has not been asked yet..
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
No hunting within suncadia. Suncadia tries to mitigate ground damage and has WDFW contacts in place for help if need be.
They tend to get hazed off suncadia ground. Couple fields they go to.
Post by: snake on January 05, 2025, 07:25:44 PM
I personally don't care either way if he killed it with a rocket launcher from his front porch. BTW.
Post by: rtspring on January 05, 2025, 07:29:44 PM
Here's a little secret for those who don't know or can't comprehend: Shooting "yard deer or elk" is frowned upon by both hunters and anti's as a general rule. If a deer or elk is comfortable enough to hang out in a neighborhood anytime of year it's a yard animal. Just not a good look for hunters on this one.
I personally don't care either way if he killed it with a rocket launcher from his front porch. BTW.
I quit caring what people think long ago! It really is a better way to live. I’m certain the bull would not of chose the alternative, getting his ass ate out by wolves.
Post by: jackelope on January 05, 2025, 08:04:54 PM
Serious question for those who know. Surprised it has not been asked yet..
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
No hunting within suncadia. Suncadia tries to mitigate ground damage and has WDFW contacts in place for help if need be.
They tend to get hazed off suncadia ground. Couple fields they go to.
Mostly safe to assume he didn’t kill the bull literally “in” the borders of suncadia.
Post by: dvolmer on January 05, 2025, 09:52:45 PM
Post by: MeSacHappy on January 05, 2025, 09:58:54 PM
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
Post by: kentrek on January 05, 2025, 10:13:15 PM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
Why is there only a handfull of photos of this bull alive :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2025, 10:30:20 PM
The biggest bucks and bulls are always in someone's backyard.
Our state doesn't manage for trophies,dinks with a tiny dash of opportunity is all your gonna get on public land.
Your dang lucky if you find that.
Corn for deer
Alfalfa for elk
Don't mix the bait guys,don't mix the red and blue pills in the matrix... 😂
BS :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2025, 10:34:34 PM
I’ve been thinking for several days now how to respond to a lot of comments on here. This was a free range bull for one. No high fence. The bull is harvested. Everyone is in awe of such a bull. A day later the whitefoots start showing pictures of this bull in a driveway, in someone’s yard etc. it’s crazy when the natives kill a huge bull or any bull for that matter and the a average hunter who can’t draw a tag does nothing but bash natives. Then we have a guy who buys a tag and kills a new world record legally. Then the natives bitch and complain showing pictures of the bull around houses and private property. Now turning hunters against hunters. Makes me sick! These animals summer in the mountains and winter closer to town. What blows me away even more is guys on here saying there’s no way they would kill this bull. I call out anyone of you that say you would not kill this bull if it were you had a tag and it were legal! The fact of the matter is no one involved in this hunt owes any of you a story of how the hunt went down. This is an incredible animal and it should be celebrated as such. Like I’ve said before hunters our are worst enemy! Keep the hate alive guys! Great job!
Only thing Whitefoot is pissed about is that the bull didn’t make it to Jan 1!
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2025, 10:38:32 PM
Elk make people crazy
That being said it’s a beautiful bull and if it was taken legally
Congratulations
Bingo.
+1
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2025, 10:42:11 PM
Give your average, and I mean average hunter governors tags, raffle tags, land owner tags or what for most is OIL tags every year and that guy will fill walls with huge bucks and bulls. So, greatest elk hunter ever really is relative
:tup:
Post by: Caseyd on January 05, 2025, 10:52:24 PM
Serious question for those who know. Surprised it has not been asked yet..
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
No hunting within suncadia. Suncadia tries to mitigate ground damage and has WDFW contacts in place for help if need be.
They tend to get hazed off suncadia ground. Couple fields they go to.
Mostly safe to assume he didn’t kill the bull literally “in” the borders of suncadia.
I would agree. Just trying to contribute to the HOA question. There are other HOAs in the area but much smaller.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2025, 10:57:27 PM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
So if it never left the resort land and city property where could he have shot it at? I have heard it traveled a bit further than that.
Post by: TheKid#10 on January 06, 2025, 12:22:05 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 06, 2025, 03:20:11 AM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.that’s funny I work in there all the time and have never seen that bull. Seen some nice ones but nothing like that. Amazing what people throw out there. You guys should be ashamed!
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
Post by: hunter100 on January 06, 2025, 05:44:36 AM
The west is full of fringe land. This is ridiculous...
Post by: buglebuster on January 06, 2025, 06:04:41 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 06, 2025, 06:25:52 AM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
You have to have a ton of incredible pictures of such a magnificent bull then. Looking forward to you posting some of them up for all of us to see!
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 06, 2025, 07:04:56 AM
Serious question for those who know. Surprised it has not been asked yet.
Does this community have a HOA that dis-allows hunting?
*******NOT saying it was shot in a HOA area, or even that any of this elk hunt was illegal********
Just a question
Incredible animal regardless of the circumstances that it was harvested...as long as it was legal. I don't know the specifics, but if this animal was harvested on a property that has HOA rules that prohibit hunting then it may not be a legal kill. Having been involved in a million dollar + HOA lawsuit that changed my life forever, HOA rules can be prosecuted in court and should not be ignored. Just as serious as a game animal that is killed on a property that has been posted as "NO HUNTING". Congrats to the hunter as long as it was done within the law...
Time will tell, someone on this forum knows what really happened and after reading 19 pages of this and I still don't know.
HOA rules are a matter of civil court and you can be sued for actual damages for your actions related to breaking of the rules. The sheriff is not going to come and throw you in jail for violating a CC&R but if the rule is also the law of the land then you can be prosecuted. Such as discharging a firearm in a firearm restricted area or trespassing.
Nothing in the fair chase doctrines say you must abide by the HOA CC&R’s :chuckle:
Post by: bornhunter on January 06, 2025, 08:09:19 AM
I think I saw the gut pile by the sand trap to the left of the fairway on #6. :chuckle:
It looks like a golf ball size wound. :chuckle:
Post by: 300rum on January 06, 2025, 09:46:38 AM
Only thing Whitefoot is pissed about is that the bull didn’t make it to Jan 1!
Post by: metlhead on January 06, 2025, 10:30:46 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 06, 2025, 11:32:48 AM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
You have to have a ton of incredible pictures of such a magnificent bull then. Looking forward to you posting some of them up for all of us to see!
If it's a yard bull then where are all the pics? I see 2 different times it was in proximity of someones house. Where are all the elk handlers that loved this elk and why aren't they themselves posting to prove it was shot in a driveway etc?
Post by: LDennis24 on January 06, 2025, 11:51:10 AM
The local community group is full of pictures and videos of this bull over the years in yards and walking down the town streets.
The bull being the new World record from Washington is the only cool part of the story. The rest of the hunt is lacking integrity
Can you post some of the pics that are as you described above?
Post by: CoryTDF on January 06, 2025, 11:54:58 AM
I also know that he is a top-notch hunter and a very skilled archer. The guy is the real deal. Yes, he has money, and that has allowed him to chase elk in ways most of us could only dream about. He has used the resources available to him just as ANY of us would. He did just that to harvest this bull. All that matters is that it was legal. Anyone with that tag in their pocket would have shot this bull and to say different is well, silly, as you're not in that position and likely never will be.
Most people only complain because they are not in a position to do the same thing. This is just like me being upset when Limitless Outdoors flew their airplane right over my head and spotted the same elk I was hunting. They then came in and shot 3 bulls. I talked with them at length while in the woods and they were nice guys. I didn't make the airplane connection until I got home and watched his video. Anyway, I was a bit irritated, but my personal interaction with them was positive, so I let it go. Lord knows if I had a plane and a pilot's licenses, I would have been doing my scouting just like they were. So, it's all about perspective. So many folks complain about things they would do themselves if given the means and opportunity.
Anyway, just came on her to say congrats to Casey and to vouch for him as a good guy and hunter. I'm not going to get into a mudslinging fest here so if you make a huge post trying to do that you will be disappointed with my lack of response.
Post by: tluns on January 06, 2025, 12:45:20 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 06, 2025, 12:53:23 PM
When you all get done arguing can we get to the real question. How much meat did they get out of that big bull?
That bulls body was huge, it kind of hid his antlers in my opinion
Post by: Dan-o on January 06, 2025, 01:26:11 PM
When you all get done arguing can we get to the real question. How much meat did they get out of that big bull?
That bulls body was huge, it kind of hid his antlers in my opinion
That's kind of what I thought.
The rack doesn't look as big when he's standing there live because his body is so dang huge.
I think his body is HUGE, even by big bull standards. At least , that's how i see it.
Post by: 2MANY on January 06, 2025, 01:32:34 PM
Like to see you guys try that.
Post by: link on January 06, 2025, 03:59:39 PM
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 04:22:14 PM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 06, 2025, 05:10:10 PM
Yeah BUT this bull was a neighborhood bull. Locals fed it daily within a neighborhood. Great “trophy” for the guy who paid thousands for his tag. Well doneHe has killed 86 bulls with his bow. Big money or not that guy does have more experience putting down elk than just about anyone. Yes, he is hunting Rez, governor and raffle tags… but he used to hunt some lesser tags and his friends say he has put down bulls in otc units. Saying he wouldn’t have Jack under his belt is a stretch to me. You don’t kill 12 400”+ bulls with your bow with 0 elk hunting knowledge and skill. Money or not, he is capitalizing on his tags and nobody can fight against that. I’m not gonna fight with you about it being a neighborhood bull but acting like this guy can’t hunt is unnecessary. He’s not the one who posted making it seem like he had this grueling hunt, that was his son. If Beau hadn’t had posted what he did, there would be much less controversy over this bull.“Master Hunter”
just proves the money pays for your “opportunity” Without his money this guy wouldn’t have jack under his belt. Just sayin.i guess it’s finally real for big game records. You get what you pay for. Sad day for all real sportsmen that don’t have thousands to dump into a tag. Because that’s where we are at. Thank you local “efforts” and clubs to making this into a bidding war
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Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 05:25:49 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 06, 2025, 05:28:01 PM
Yeah BUT this bull was a neighborhood bull. Locals fed it daily within a neighborhood. Great “trophy” for the guy who paid thousands for his tag. Well doneHe has killed 86 bulls with his bow. Big money or not that guy does have more experience putting down elk than just about anyone. Yes, he is hunting Rez, governor and raffle tags… but he used to hunt some lesser tags and his friends say he has put down bulls in otc units. Saying he wouldn’t have Jack under his belt is a stretch to me. You don’t kill 12 400”+ bulls with your bow with 0 elk hunting knowledge and skill. Money or not, he is capitalizing on his tags and nobody can fight against that. I’m not gonna fight with you about it being a neighborhood bull but acting like this guy can’t hunt is unnecessary. He’s not the one who posted making it seem like he had this grueling hunt, that was his son. If Beau hadn’t had posted what he did, there would be much less controversy over this bull.
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True. I think His son could use a trip to the woodshed. :chuckle: Created quite a controversy for somebody that sounds like a heck of a guy and that most of us would like to be able to consider a friend. Whether there are elk involved or not.
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 05:36:20 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 06, 2025, 05:42:21 PM
Sad day for all real sportsmen that don’t have thousands to dump into a tag.
Its a sad day because ?? Because.....you didnt kill it ? Because you want your name in the book ? Why do you care about records ?
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 05:59:09 PM
Post by: TVHunts on January 06, 2025, 06:04:49 PM
Pay to play animals should have their own record book to sit on. Public land, over the counter, DIY tags should have their own. However, I personally know people involved in SCI that have been on the wrong side of the fence and broken laws. So I’m a little jaded on the whole “conservation” thing. Just another rich group of people trying to pretend like they don’t care about breaking records, or getting their name in the books (when that’s what they truly pay for at a convention auction)
Wow, nice rant! Thankfully, jealousy isn’t contagious!
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:08:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 06, 2025, 06:10:32 PM
Sad bc I won’t be able to tell my kids they have a chance competing with a millionaire for the same tag just bc we aren’t higher on the financial scale of life. And also sad seeing our “conservation” groups auction clearly trophy tags. As sportsmen we vow a cow is worth a bull when correct management is being upheld. I don’t see him holding a cow with his tag…. Just sayin. We better start practicing what we preach. We a bunch of antler hunters trying to break books, cool. Then say it like it is. We a bunch of people paying for high end tags not available to those who can’t pay, cool.. say it like it is. This whole “I’m a sportsmen for conservation” bs with the same people buying the tags year after trying to break the next record? It just proves the anti hunters right. It’s all about the trophy and we can’t do anything but back it up with the auction tags. Those buying the tags are buying a chance at a trophy. They truly aren’t there to help conserve at all, they can just afford to dump cash
What’s being done with the cash they dump? Clearly them killing a bull or Billy or a giant buck has nothing to do with conservation. But what about the cash they spend? Where are we gonna replace that with?
Post by: huntandjeep on January 06, 2025, 06:11:22 PM
If he hadn't dropped big money on Raffle , Reservation and " other " tags . Would he still have killed 86 Bulls ? Would he still have 5 Bighorn sheep on his wall ? Would he have 12 bulls over 400" on the wall ? Would he have all the big deer from Oregon on his wall ? Would he be the " Best Bowhunter ever " according to his buddy Jay ( who has since deleted that post " ?Yeah BUT this bull was a neighborhood bull. Locals fed it daily within a neighborhood. Great “trophy” for the guy who paid thousands for his tag. Well doneHe has killed 86 bulls with his bow. Big money or not that guy does have more experience putting down elk than just about anyone. Yes, he is hunting Rez, governor and raffle tags… but he used to hunt some lesser tags and his friends say he has put down bulls in otc units. Saying he wouldn’t have Jack under his belt is a stretch to me. You don’t kill 12 400”+ bulls with your bow with 0 elk hunting knowledge and skill. Money or not, he is capitalizing on his tags and nobody can fight against that. I’m not gonna fight with you about it being a neighborhood bull but acting like this guy can’t hunt is unnecessary. He’s not the one who posted making it seem like he had this grueling hunt, that was his son. If Beau hadn’t had posted what he did, there would be much less controversy over this bull.
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Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:27:12 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 06, 2025, 06:30:16 PM
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:32:49 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 06, 2025, 06:32:59 PM
I prefer FedEx.
Jimmy John upsets my tummy.
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:35:30 PM
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 06, 2025, 06:38:30 PM
can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Post by: jackelope on January 06, 2025, 06:41:40 PM
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
That’s not what I asked.
Post by: Geno on January 06, 2025, 06:43:22 PM
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity :bdid:
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:43:31 PM
can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Sure why not. Ellensburg. My family grew up there and I spent a good chunk of my life growing up there too. I’d be happy to help fill a tag in that area, if you have a tag
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 06:45:25 PM
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
That’s not what I asked.
I have no issue with you or your stance on topics. I chose to ignore you bc it’s not about taking an “I’m right” route. I’m just here to say my piece. Not argue with others
Post by: Rainier10 on January 06, 2025, 07:12:01 PM
Post by: metlhead on January 06, 2025, 07:15:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 06, 2025, 07:30:54 PM
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
That’s not what I asked.
I have no issue with you or your stance on topics. I chose to ignore you bc it’s not about taking an “I’m right” route. I’m just here to say my piece. Not argue with others
I can respect that. Thanks.
Post by: Alan K on January 06, 2025, 07:40:21 PM
It is possible to contribute money to a good cause AND be rewarded for it. Think of it as a benefit auction. There have been many over the years on this forum. We don't rag on guys that spend $500 on a brick of .22 ammo because they benefited at the same time when they could have just given the cash outright.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 06, 2025, 07:42:11 PM
That's a fair question, but in the context of a multi-hundred-million-dollar budget, raffle cash is insignificant. While it might make for a good talking point and may have had some relevance in the past, it's hard to argue that the public gets meaningful value from raffling or auctioning wildlife. If anything, situations like this hunt—created as a result of offering raffles—seem to harm sportsmen's opportunities more than any minuscule benefit gained from someone contributing an extra 0.00001% to the WDFW budget.Sad bc I won’t be able to tell my kids they have a chance competing with a millionaire for the same tag just bc we aren’t higher on the financial scale of life. And also sad seeing our “conservation” groups auction clearly trophy tags. As sportsmen we vow a cow is worth a bull when correct management is being upheld. I don’t see him holding a cow with his tag…. Just sayin. We better start practicing what we preach. We a bunch of antler hunters trying to break books, cool. Then say it like it is. We a bunch of people paying for high end tags not available to those who can’t pay, cool.. say it like it is. This whole “I’m a sportsmen for conservation” bs with the same people buying the tags year after trying to break the next record? It just proves the anti hunters right. It’s all about the trophy and we can’t do anything but back it up with the auction tags. Those buying the tags are buying a chance at a trophy. They truly aren’t there to help conserve at all, they can just afford to dump cash
What’s being done with the cash they dump? Clearly them killing a bull or Billy or a giant buck has nothing to do with conservation. But what about the cash they spend? Where are we gonna replace that with?
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 07:43:54 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on January 06, 2025, 07:48:44 PM
Is this raffle tag the same one a anybody can apply for?Yep $6 a ticket . You just have to buy 50000 tickets to compete with these guys .
Post by: jackelope on January 06, 2025, 07:54:25 PM
Just gonna say one last thing. If they truly cared about conservation of the animal, they’d do so without needing a trophy tag as compensation for doing so.Dude could go guided elk hunting literally anywhere in the free world for less money than he’s spending on raffle tickets here in WA alone. Nevermind all the other auctions and raffle money he’s putting in. Plus there’s at least a couple times he’s spent big $$ on raffles and didn’t win too. Soooo….
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 06, 2025, 07:56:48 PM
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity :bdid:
It would be unfortunate if some of these deep pocket trophy hunters have orchestrated what you're frustrated about. Make the hopes of winning so deflating to other ticket buyers, that they stop participating. In the large scheme of things, I think Casey paid very little. In the 5's of thousands of dollars
Post by: HillHound on January 06, 2025, 07:58:15 PM
Someone needs to start a new topic with something positive. Maybe start posting up the mounts we have from this past season as we get them finished up or back from the Taxidermist. I can’t remember a topic I think since Covid that had people so worked up on trying to get their viewpoint Pounded into everyone else’s head. We all have our opinion of this. Let’s get over it and get back to our friendly community We normally have instead of attacking each other constantly because someone paid for a tag or somebody used a gun or somebody didn’t go harvest the Flint themselves to make their arrowhead that they took the animal with…. Pretty sure you all get my point this could go on forever until we each make the decision to stop. We are all entitled to our own opinion, but nobody ever said that our opinion matters or that anybody else has to listen to it, so voice it and move on
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 06, 2025, 08:19:58 PM
if I had a tag I wouldn’t need your help. Thanks for the offer.can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Sure why not. Ellensburg. My family grew up there and I spent a good chunk of my life growing up there too. I’d be happy to help fill a tag in that area, if you have a tag
Post by: metlhead on January 06, 2025, 08:35:47 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 06, 2025, 08:54:27 PM
That's why so many of the raffle tag winners are the same guys buying auction tags etc.
Post by: safehunter on January 06, 2025, 09:39:33 PM
Many years ago, when my son and his friend came of age and wanted to start getting into hunting, we planned a trip.
After talking and listening for days and days with these boys and preparing them for possibly not harvesting, as the odds were against them, and I was limiting their shot distance IF we even saw a legal buck. We met a guy and I told him the story of these two boys and that I had explained quite a bit of real-world hunting to them and that I just wanted to instinct good morals and ethics into them not expecting anything more. By the end of the hunt each boy was fortunate enough to harvest a buck, Amazing! Both of the bucks were legal 2x's with antler guards each taken a day apart. These bucks were nothing spectacular and massive, but they were their first animals ever harvested. On the 4hr drive back home all I heard was the jubilation from these boys about the trip and how on the next year they were gonna hold out for giant deer!
With the help and knowledge of that man that we had just met I was able to help fulfil these boys' dreams of becoming successful hunters. That man's name is Casey Brooks.
My :twocents:
Congratulations Casey on being able to take a fine bull!
Post by: bornhunter on January 06, 2025, 10:04:58 PM
They sell more every year but in 2018 I drew a raffle tag and only bought 10 tickets. I prefer the raffle that the little guy actually has a small chance over the tags that are auctioned for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and the little guy was never even in the game.
Someone needs to start a new topic with something positive. Maybe start posting up the mounts we have from this past season as we get them finished up or back from the Taxidermist. I can’t remember a topic I think since Covid that had people so worked up on trying to get their viewpoint Pounded into everyone else’s head. We all have our opinion of this. Let’s get over it and get back to our friendly community We normally have instead of attacking each other constantly because someone paid for a tag or somebody used a gun or somebody didn’t go harvest the Flint themselves to make their arrowhead that they took the animal with…. Pretty sure you all get my point this could go on forever until we each make the decision to stop. We are all entitled to our own opinion, but nobody ever said that our opinion matters or that anybody else has to listen to it, so voice it and move on
And miss all this drama! Party pooper! :chuckle:
Post by: LabChamp on January 06, 2025, 10:06:27 PM
if I had a tag I wouldn’t need your help. Thanks for the offer.can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Sure why not. Ellensburg. My family grew up there and I spent a good chunk of my life growing up there too. I’d be happy to help fill a tag in that area, if you have a tag
Yeah you can get em in people’s backyard lol why would you need help hahaha
Post by: OltHunter on January 06, 2025, 10:13:55 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/@beaubrooks7/video/7338576889574919470?lang=en
Post by: TheKid#10 on January 06, 2025, 10:31:15 PM
Post by: deerlick on January 06, 2025, 10:40:00 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 07, 2025, 05:58:45 AM
sticks and stones. You should be proud!if I had a tag I wouldn’t need your help. Thanks for the offer.can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war
I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..
That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
Sure why not. Ellensburg. My family grew up there and I spent a good chunk of my life growing up there too. I’d be happy to help fill a tag in that area, if you have a tag
Yeah you can get em in people’s backyard lol why would you need help hahaha
Post by: Joshramirez1995 on January 07, 2025, 06:57:54 AM
Post by: HillHound on January 07, 2025, 07:58:33 AM
Oh yeah don’t forget my opinion… Awesome bull!!!!
Post by: Geno on January 07, 2025, 08:03:27 AM
I know someone that knows what he paid, who will remain anonymous, the amount he paid is 10 times what your guess is. THAT is why I choose to not participate when my odds of getting drawn are so slim. By the way, Casey is not the only guy with deep pockets that is buying up raffle tags, my guess is that the majority are purchased by the millionaire club. I have no issue with any one that does this cause most people who could buy opportunities would, myself included. My issue is with WDFW, make the raffle a single ticket purchase so we all have an equal opportunity.I think Casey paid very little. In the 5's of thousands of dollars
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity :bdid:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 07, 2025, 08:06:59 AM
Post by: baker5150 on January 07, 2025, 08:27:02 AM
I know someone that knows what he paid, who will remain anonymous, the amount he paid is 10 times what your guess is. THAT is why I choose to not participate when my odds of getting drawn are so slim. By the way, Casey is not the only guy with deep pockets that is buying up raffle tags, my guess is that the majority are purchased by the millionaire club. I have no issue with any one that does this cause most people who could buy opportunities would, myself included. My issue is with WDFW, make the raffle a single ticket purchase so we all have an equal opportunity.I think Casey paid very little. In the 5's of thousands of dollars
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity :bdid:
This defeats the entire purpose of the raffles...
It's not meant to be a fair opportunity, it's meant to generate funds by way of a lottery.
Post by: JakeLand on January 07, 2025, 08:28:24 AM
Post by: The scout on January 07, 2025, 08:46:27 AM
Waiting in my “blind “ for the big one…. :chuckle: :chuckle: Nice bull, congrats.
:yeah: I’ve been sitting in my kids tree fort since I saw this. No luck yet. Lol. That is an incredible bull!
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 07, 2025, 08:59:24 AM
Post by: bhawley76 on January 07, 2025, 09:03:00 AM
Post by: 2MANY on January 07, 2025, 09:26:30 AM
Perhaps we should move on and talk about the taxi mount?
Peeking around a mailbox would be cool.
Post by: KP-Skagit on January 07, 2025, 09:30:45 AM
Every hunt is different and appreciated differently. Every animal I have harvested or been a part of harvesting I am proud of. Some have been easy, some have been a grind.
I have spent a lot of time sitting on a property line with a whitetail tag in the Palouse waiting. I saw some bruisers, I never shot a buck, I did fill a couple second deer tags. Was I proud of it? absolutely. Would anti hunters disapprove? Yes
I found a wounded cow elk while chukar hunting in an any elk unit and I put it out of its misery, looked for a hunter and couldn't find one so after quite a while I tagged it and packed it out which was not easy. Was I proud? Totally. Was it like one step up from harvesting roadkill? Yes. Would anti hunters disapprove? Yes.
I drove my disabled father around for a week before getting him on a bull moose in WA. He shot it from the shoulder of the road at 50 yards. Was I proud of it? More than anything. Was it the hardest hunt I have been on, in some ways emotionally, not physically. Would antis disapprove? Yes.
I have taken animals on private property, public property, (not my own property yet but would if it came together). If its legal who cares?
And I know plenty of people who have gotten a raffle tag with just a couple tickets.
Post by: bigdub257 on January 07, 2025, 09:41:12 AM
Perhaps we should move on and talk about the taxi mount?
Peeking around a mailbox would be cool.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on January 07, 2025, 09:53:57 AM
I think some of the issues with this conversation, and others I often see on the site, is the quickness to let everything snowball into a mudslinging competition. There’s something to be said for civilized discourse. This doesn’t have to be a this vs that thing. This bull can be amazing regardless of the circumstances, the hunter can be a great guy/skilled hunter who is still very privileged to hunt places where hunting is easier. The harvest can be legal/ethical but in questionable taste. Auction tags can still raise millions for conservation knowing they’ll target trophy animals, while making hunters look bad in the eyes of the non-hunting community. Other hunters can be critical, without being jealous. We as hunters have a duty to hold one another accountable, but also to support one another. As iron sharpens iron. All of the things discussed in this thread are complex in their own ways and there isn’t necessarily a hardline right & wrong.:yeah:
Very well said. People tend to polarize instantaneously, especially on the internet. Life is not that black and white.
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on January 07, 2025, 09:58:56 AM
I know someone that knows what he paid, who will remain anonymous, the amount he paid is 10 times what your guess is. THAT is why I choose to not participate when my odds of getting drawn are so slim. By the way, Casey is not the only guy with deep pockets that is buying up raffle tags, my guess is that the majority are purchased by the millionaire club. I have no issue with any one that does this cause most people who could buy opportunities would, myself included. My issue is with WDFW, make the raffle a single ticket purchase so we all have an equal opportunity.I think Casey paid very little. In the 5's of thousands of dollars
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity :bdid:
I'm wrong. You're correct. Yes it's more. I looked at the wrong category. $61k and some change if he'd of purchased every single ticket. If he paid more than that, then...?
Post by: elkrack on January 07, 2025, 10:00:50 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 07, 2025, 10:02:10 AM
I think some of the issues with this conversation, and others I often see on the site, is the quickness to let everything snowball into a mudslinging competition. There’s something to be said for civilized discourse. This doesn’t have to be a this vs that thing. This bull can be amazing regardless of the circumstances, the hunter can be a great guy/skilled hunter who is still very privileged to hunt places where hunting is easier. The harvest can be legal/ethical but in questionable taste. Auction tags can still raise millions for conservation knowing they’ll target trophy animals, while making hunters look bad in the eyes of the non-hunting community. Other hunters can be critical, without being jealous. We as hunters have a duty to hold one another accountable, but also to support one another. As iron sharpens iron. All of the things discussed in this thread are complex in their own ways and there isn’t necessarily a hardline right & wrong.
This x1000.... thats why I attempted to start the other thread. Both the big bull threads this year got away from being success threads.
Hunters need to encourage the discussions that occured.
Post by: 2MANY on January 07, 2025, 10:12:13 AM
Me too.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 07, 2025, 10:39:14 AM
Post by: Skillet on January 07, 2025, 10:47:10 AM
I’m not sure there has ever been a time that hunters didn’t brag. They were definitely more tight lipped in the past. But there’s a historical collection of books, photos, newspaper articles, events, and tall tales to support that hunters and fisherman have always liked to brag 😂.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley."
~Confucious, probably
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 07, 2025, 11:08:08 AM
Sad bc I won’t be able to tell my kids they have a chance competing with a millionaire for the same tag just bc we aren’t higher on the financial scale of life. And also sad seeing our “conservation” groups auction clearly trophy tags. As sportsmen we vow a cow is worth a bull when correct management is being upheld. I don’t see him holding a cow with his tag…. Just sayin. We better start practicing what we preach. We a bunch of antler hunters trying to break books, cool. Then say it like it is. We a bunch of people paying for high end tags not available to those who can’t pay, cool.. say it like it is. This whole “I’m a sportsmen for conservation” bs with the same people buying the tags year after trying to break the next record? It just proves the anti hunters right. It’s all about the trophy and we can’t do anything but back it up with the auction tags. Those buying the tags are buying a chance at a trophy. They truly aren’t there to help conserve at all, they can just afford to dump cash
What’s being done with the cash they dump? Clearly them killing a bull or Billy or a giant buck has nothing to do with conservation. But what about the cash they spend? Where are we gonna replace that with?
Cash they spend supports WILDLIFE. Griz reintroduction, wolf recovery, cougar population health, coyotes, black bears, bobcats, northern/southern purple toothbeaked frog, etc.......You know, wildlife.
*Insert next comment from the HW elite*......."Money from single species auction/raffle goes directly to THAT species"
No one can prove that, and with the track record of our states wildlife/game management I find it really unbelievable that anyone of you actually believe this to be true.
So are these big money hunters doing it for the meat????????? Thats alot of critters to eat.
Thats why I do it, along with its fun.
Post by: kentrek on January 07, 2025, 11:37:34 AM
Remember when hunters kept secrets instead of bragging?
Me too.
Plenty of secrets out there....always been braggers
Nothing has chnaged except the format
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 07, 2025, 11:48:16 AM
Remember when hunters kept secrets instead of bragging?
Me too.
Plenty of secrets out there....always been braggers
Nothing has chnaged except the format
There is definitely still a silent majority in the hunting community.
But then there are others who want to be known far and wide for their accomplishments and when you do it will always come from multiple directions.
Post by: The scout on January 07, 2025, 11:50:19 AM
Post by: kentrek on January 07, 2025, 12:17:12 PM
:yeah: Bragging to your buddies around a fire and putting it on the internet so thousands of people you don’t know can see are 2 very different things.
How about sending an article into a magazine ? Fred bear vids ? Caveman paintings ?
Its same same different day
Post by: The scout on January 07, 2025, 01:51:31 PM
:yeah: Bragging to your buddies around a fire and putting it on the internet so thousands of people you don’t know can see are 2 very different things.
How about sending an article into a magazine ? Fred bear vids ? Caveman paintings ?
Its same same different day
You’re right, I guess it just feels different being on social media. Reaches way more people.
Post by: JDHasty on January 07, 2025, 02:07:13 PM
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel.
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Post by: 2MANY on January 07, 2025, 02:21:19 PM
:yeah: Bragging to your buddies around a fire and putting it on the internet so thousands of people you don’t know can see are 2 very different things.
How about sending an article into a magazine ? Fred bear vids ? Caveman paintings ?
Its same same different day
You’re right, I guess it just feels different being on social media. Reaches way more people.
And people can comment.
Post by: 2MANY on January 07, 2025, 02:25:20 PM
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
I 100% agree and cool article.
Hunting should be hunting.
Post by: jrebel on January 07, 2025, 03:48:26 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 07, 2025, 04:00:53 PM
We are inching closer every day to reaching the same page count as the BIGFOOT THREAD..... :yike: :yike:
Not even close, I really thought this one would have been locked by now.🤣
Post by: jrebel on January 07, 2025, 04:06:03 PM
We are inching closer every day to reaching the same page count as the BIGFOOT THREAD..... :yike: :yike:
Not even close, I really thought this one would have been locked by now.🤣
Should we start taking bets on how many pages this gets to? Price is Right rules.....closest without going over. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on January 07, 2025, 04:21:27 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 07, 2025, 04:56:19 PM
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
I 100% agree and cool article.
Hunting should be hunting.
"Hunting" is a matter of perspective and should be left up to the hunter and only the hunter...its fantastic some folks, despite such obsticles, chose to hunt more...but if not its equally as fantastic
Post by: jstone on January 07, 2025, 07:27:48 PM
Post by: jason stevens on January 07, 2025, 07:33:27 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 07, 2025, 07:59:56 PM
Amazing bull, if this is a washington bull an im sure it is. It doesn't matter what tag is in the pocket. It just goes to show that there are huge bulls out there for any tag holder. Congrats to casey!!!:yeah:
Congrats 👏
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 07, 2025, 09:46:00 PM
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:Ronny Jenkins is my grandfather in law. Great hunter and Good taxidermy when he was in his prime.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel.
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Post by: huntnphool on January 07, 2025, 11:57:05 PM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
So if it never left the resort land and city property where could he have shot it at? I have heard it traveled a bit further than that.
It’s a different bull
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 08, 2025, 04:13:56 AM
:yeah: Bragging to your buddies around a fire and putting it on the internet so thousands of people you don’t know can see are 2 very different things.
How about sending an article into a magazine ? Fred bear vids ? Caveman paintings ?
Its same same different day
You’re right, I guess it just feels different being on social media. Reaches way more people.
And people can comment.
:yeah: dopamine is a helluva drug
Post by: westside bull on January 08, 2025, 08:55:36 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 08, 2025, 06:07:39 PM
Post by: bigdub257 on January 08, 2025, 07:56:56 PM
Definately a nice bull. I wonder if he will name it. Suncadia bull or Roslyn bull?
Maybe "Chip Shot" or "Gimme"
Post by: Jason on January 08, 2025, 08:19:16 PM
Alright, this thread is getting out of hand now and you guys are all jealous because he hit a hole in one on that bull!Definately a nice bull. I wonder if he will name it. Suncadia bull or Roslyn bull?
Maybe "Chip Shot" or "Gimme"
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 08, 2025, 08:32:45 PM
haha I love it! You nailed it!Alright, this thread is getting out of hand now and you guys are all jealous because he hit a hole in one on that bull!Definately a nice bull. I wonder if he will name it. Suncadia bull or Roslyn bull?
Maybe "Chip Shot" or "Gimme"
Post by: MADMAX on January 08, 2025, 08:39:48 PM
Post by: MeSacHappy on January 08, 2025, 11:52:20 PM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
So if it never left the resort land and city property where could he have shot it at? I have heard it traveled a bit further than that.
It’s a different bull
It's possible I guess.
I will defer to your knowledge.
I guess huge 450"+ inch bull hanging around residential neighborhoods in Cle Elum and Roslyn city limits is more commonplace than I thought. I think I've seen him personally though, and have seen 10+ pics and videos of him I people's yards. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed it was shot on the Duncan Ranch property?
I guarantee you though that that bull never once stepped foot on public land in his adult life, or else Mr. Whitefoot would have shot it.
The thing I find most amazing is that anybody that drew a 335 Quality tag could have this shot bull. You didn't need a big bucks Gov or Raffle tag to legally kill this bull, so the fat wallet scenario doesn't hold water...
You just needed him to step on to the right property on the right date...and that is what Casey did.
Congrats?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 09, 2025, 06:42:00 AM
Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
So if it never left the resort land and city property where could he have shot it at? I have heard it traveled a bit further than that.
It’s a different bull
It's possible I guess.
I will defer to your knowledge.
I guess huge 450"+ inch bull hanging around residential neighborhoods in Cle Elum and Roslyn city limits is more commonplace than I thought. I think I've seen him personally though, and have seen 10+ pics and videos of him I people's yards. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed it was shot on the Duncan Ranch property?
I guarantee you though that that bull never once stepped foot on public land in his adult life, or else Mr. Whitefoot would have shot it.
The thing I find most amazing is that anybody that drew a 335 Quality tag could have this shot bull. You didn't need a big bucks Gov or Raffle tag to legally kill this bull, so the fat wallet scenario doesn't hold water...
You just needed him to step on to the right property on the right date...and that is what Casey did.
Congrats?
Just think, it could have been me. Happy with what I got with very similar circumstances. Help from good folks, and I'm a happy hunter. Wish nothing but the same.
Post by: 85yota on January 09, 2025, 11:41:45 AM
Post by: danderson on January 09, 2025, 01:41:34 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 09, 2025, 02:08:39 PM
I’d like to know where you get your information. It’s laughable at best.Wow...this thread has so much flavor.
I knew this bull, as did most people in the Roslyn community. As an adult bull he never once stepped foot on public land. He hung out on the golf course, the cemetery, and people's yards...that's how he lived to such an old age and grew such an extraordinary world record set of antlers.
Is Casey a great elk hunter? Without a doubt.
But does the end justify the means?
Can he seriously look up at his wall of 400" bulls and be proud of his World Record?
So if it never left the resort land and city property where could he have shot it at? I have heard it traveled a bit further than that.
It’s a different bull
It's possible I guess.
I will defer to your knowledge.
I guess huge 450"+ inch bull hanging around residential neighborhoods in Cle Elum and Roslyn city limits is more commonplace than I thought. I think I've seen him personally though, and have seen 10+ pics and videos of him I people's yards. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed it was shot on the Duncan Ranch property?
I guarantee you though that that bull never once stepped foot on public land in his adult life, or else Mr. Whitefoot would have shot it.
The thing I find most amazing is that anybody that drew a 335 Quality tag could have this shot bull. You didn't need a big bucks Gov or Raffle tag to legally kill this bull, so the fat wallet scenario doesn't hold water...
You just needed him to step on to the right property on the right date...and that is what Casey did.
Congrats?
Post by: jason stevens on January 09, 2025, 04:47:26 PM
Post by: bankwalker on January 09, 2025, 05:06:05 PM
Just paint the damn story correctly and let's not fabricate it to make one's self look like a great hunter.....
We already know Casey is a great hunter. His resume speaks for itself. But this bull is not that case. He got a great opportunity and capitalized on it.
Congrats to him on that and the world record bull. It's amazing for what it is without all the rest of the story.
Post by: The scout on January 09, 2025, 09:45:37 PM
Post by: 2MANY on January 09, 2025, 10:36:45 PM
Post by: The scout on January 09, 2025, 10:57:07 PM
I remember thinking she was cool.
:yeah:I haven’t watched it, just saw it was on YouTube.
Post by: TheKid#10 on January 11, 2025, 02:57:56 PM
Post by: link on January 11, 2025, 03:05:17 PM
Post by: kirkl on January 11, 2025, 06:40:01 PM
Post by: JakeLand on January 12, 2025, 08:24:41 AM
This is all comical reading all this.ya that , kinda BS
Post by: Romulus on January 12, 2025, 09:40:07 AM
Post by: elkchaser54 on January 12, 2025, 10:49:35 AM
Post by: RC on January 12, 2025, 11:15:18 AM
Yes
Post by: metlhead on January 12, 2025, 04:16:18 PM
Post by: kentrek on January 12, 2025, 05:44:40 PM
In Washington state there is zero chance of any wilderness or deep in a national forest bull ever of reaching 490" with all of our predators. The only way an elk will get that big is lounging on a golf course, stealing hay from livestock and eating apple orchard leftovers. I'm sure it was legally killed but a killing a pet elk in town isn't exactly the story I would like to tell. It will look good on the wall and in the record book where no story is required it's just a number on a line.
460s wilderness bull was just recently killed
Post by: OutHouse on January 14, 2025, 08:20:29 AM
1. That is one heck of a specimen.
2. It was a legal kill (my assumption because I have no reason to say it wasn't).
3. Hunters' personal ethics and ideas about what makes a "hunt" a "hunt" vary quite a bit.
Can we all agree??
Personally, I admire a sportsman who passes on such an animal because they want something else out of their "hunt". However, I cannot knock a guy for taking this animal either. The fever is real. I had a whitetail buck in 231 unit that almost uniformly hung out around cabins, houses etc. It was probably a yard buck, pet, whatever you want to call it. It had five long tines on each side plus eyeguards that were pushing five inches. Estimate width was over 20 inches but less than 24. I have no doubt it would have made P an Y. I would have taken him given a legal chance.
With that said, I would love to hear the story going back to September.
EDIT: I made the assumption that this was a "town bull" etc. whatever everyone is calling it. I don't know if that is correct or not.
Post by: bearpaw on January 15, 2025, 04:30:40 AM
There are many of us who enjoy looking at photos of game and hearing the stories of how they were taken. Well you can bet the bitterness of this topic guarantees this forum will have fewer pictures to look at and stories to read in the future. All of the negative posts really took this topic deep in the mud.
Thank you to all the members who made positive comments and didn't try to impose their own personal ethics, maybe there are enough positive comments that future stories and photos will continue to be posted.
Casey Brooks,
If you want to share the tale of your hunt it is very welcome here, we would love to hear the story directly from you. In spite of the negativity of some members, many of us appreciate the amount of time and effort you obviously put into hunting this bull. Its obvious to me that you invested a lot of time and effort or it wouldn't have taken you until the end of the season. No doubt it was far more complicated than being able to hunt a public land bull with no restrictions on where you can hunt.
I will personally moderate the topic and remove any negative comments, this forum does not allow negative comments in "success topics" posted by the hunter. If you're not interested in posting the story or if you have signed an agreement for your story I fully understand. Either way, I want you to know that there are many of us who would truly enjoy hearing your story, and congratulations on being lucky enough to take most likely the best free ranging bull ever taken.
Regards,
Dale Denney
Forum Owner
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on January 15, 2025, 05:09:08 AM
Post by: emac on January 15, 2025, 05:54:19 AM
Not only have I been busy hunting but I have refrained from commenting much. This is the most disgusting topic I've seen in a long time on this forum, the jealousy, the narrow minds, the self centeredness, the bitterness, and the ethics hypocrisy displayed in this topic is completely off the rails, what a dumpster fire. I am embarrassed that this topic exists on a website that I am involved with. If this topic had been a "success topic" posted by the hunter who took the animal about 50% of the posts would already be removed. The only reason I have not personally removed many of the posts is because it is more of a discussion (it wasn't posted by the hunter as the story of their hunt) and as long as discussions are civil it is the forum policy to allow them to continue.Well said and thank you Dale for writing this up!!!!
There are many of us who enjoy looking at photos of game and hearing the stories of how they were taken. Well you can bet the bitterness of this topic guarantees this forum will have fewer pictures to look at and stories to read in the future. All of the negative posts really took this topic deep in the mud.
Thank you to all the members who made positive comments and didn't try to impose their own personal ethics, maybe there are enough positive comments that future stories and photos will continue to be posted.
Casey Brooks,
If you want to share the tale of your hunt it is very welcome here, we would love to hear the story directly from you. In spite of the negativity of some members, many of us appreciate the amount of time and effort you obviously put into hunting this bull. Its obvious to me that you invested a lot of time and effort or it wouldn't have taken you until the end of the season. No doubt it was far more complicated than being able to hunt a public land bull with no restrictions on where you can hunt.
I will personally moderate the topic and remove any negative comments, this forum does not allow negative comments in "success topics" posted by the hunter. If you're not interested in posting the story or if you have signed an agreement for your story I fully understand. Either way, I want you to know that there are many of us who would truly enjoy hearing your story, and congratulations on being lucky enough to take most likely the best free ranging bull ever taken.
Regards,
Dale Denney
Forum Owner
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 15, 2025, 06:03:34 AM
With all due respect, I would like to respond to your post.
I am one of the commenters that may be on the negative side of this.
I am also one of the members who invests as a business sponsor to support the HW forum.
Its a beautiful bull, and fairly certain it was killed legally.
Because I choose to defend my passion for hunting, and the future of hunting for the average person, from a style of "hunting" that most definitely threatens normal hunters, does not make me a bad person!!
I see high dollar trophy hunters on an equal level of threat to hunting as are anti's, and predators. I do not know the man involved, am positive he is a good man, but to say he is anything but a TH is most likely false. How many times do you need your name in a record book for sheep in WA state? (While thousands of us who also love to hunt will never get to shoot just 1.) THAT is disgusting for ya! Am I jealous or is he greedy??
"Jealousy"....enough with the comments from many members. Sure a few may be jealous, BUT Greed has a whole lot more to do with these type hunts. Because some disagree, does not mean they are jealous.
"Photos" on HW..... Yes, I'm sure some will not post photos because of this type thing. There are wayyyy more folks who won't post pics on (or join) HW because of all the "Elites" on here. (ie; calling smaller bucks they shoot, meat bucks is just one example) Those bucks, and any deer are trophys to most folks, as they should be.
ALSO, I have noticed quite a drop in pics shared since the removal of the photo contests. Thats on you guys IMO
And, Ive said it on here many times, If these wealthy folks really cared about conservation, and being a GOOD sportsman, they would donate to the species conservation without the need to shoot multiple OIL critters (5 sheep, maybe more) while most never get the chance. its more like they are supporting conservation.......so they can just shoot another sheep the next year....oh yeah it HAS to be bigger than last years.
:twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :brew: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
PS, I do not know any of these wealthy, "whale" folks, but I would value the opportunity to chat with one of them to see why they do what they do. Maybe I will learn something. :dunno:
I am 100% confident that my love for hunting is far stronger than most, and even if I had the means, I would not be greedy at the expense of fellow sportsman>
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 15, 2025, 06:44:52 AM
Not only have I been busy hunting but I have refrained from commenting much. This is the most disgusting topic I've seen in a long time on this forum, the jealousy, the narrow minds, the self centeredness, the bitterness, and the ethics hypocrisy displayed in this topic is completely off the rails, what a dumpster fire. I am embarrassed that this topic exists on a website that I am involved with. If this topic had been a "success topic" posted by the hunter who took the animal about 50% of the posts would already be removed. The only reason I have not personally removed many of the posts is because it is more of a discussion (it wasn't posted by the hunter as the story of their hunt) and as long as discussions are civil it is the forum policy to allow them to continue.classy post dale thank you!
There are many of us who enjoy looking at photos of game and hearing the stories of how they were taken. Well you can bet the bitterness of this topic guarantees this forum will have fewer pictures to look at and stories to read in the future. All of the negative posts really took this topic deep in the mud.
Thank you to all the members who made positive comments and didn't try to impose their own personal ethics, maybe there are enough positive comments that future stories and photos will continue to be posted.
Casey Brooks,
If you want to share the tale of your hunt it is very welcome here, we would love to hear the story directly from you. In spite of the negativity of some members, many of us appreciate the amount of time and effort you obviously put into hunting this bull. Its obvious to me that you invested a lot of time and effort or it wouldn't have taken you until the end of the season. No doubt it was far more complicated than being able to hunt a public land bull with no restrictions on where you can hunt.
I will personally moderate the topic and remove any negative comments, this forum does not allow negative comments in "success topics" posted by the hunter. If you're not interested in posting the story or if you have signed an agreement for your story I fully understand. Either way, I want you to know that there are many of us who would truly enjoy hearing your story, and congratulations on being lucky enough to take most likely the best free ranging bull ever taken.
Regards,
Dale Denney
Forum Owner
Post by: Bob33 on January 15, 2025, 07:05:46 AM
Not only have I been busy hunting but I have refrained from commenting much. This is the most disgusting topic I've seen in a long time on this forum, the jealousy, the narrow minds, the self centeredness, the bitterness, and the ethics hypocrisy displayed in this topic is completely off the rails, what a dumpster fire. I am embarrassed that this topic exists on a website that I am involved with. If this topic had been a "success topic" posted by the hunter who took the animal about 50% of the posts would already be removed. The only reason I have not personally removed many of the posts is because it is more of a discussion (it wasn't posted by the hunter as the story of their hunt) and as long as discussions are civil it is the forum policy to allow them to continue.I couldn't express my thoughts any better. Thank you.
There are many of us who enjoy looking at photos of game and hearing the stories of how they were taken. Well you can bet the bitterness of this topic guarantees this forum will have fewer pictures to look at and stories to read in the future. All of the negative posts really took this topic deep in the mud.
Thank you to all the members who made positive comments and didn't try to impose their own personal ethics, maybe there are enough positive comments that future stories and photos will continue to be posted.
Casey Brooks,
If you want to share the tale of your hunt it is very welcome here, we would love to hear the story directly from you. In spite of the negativity of some members, many of us appreciate the amount of time and effort you obviously put into hunting this bull. Its obvious to me that you invested a lot of time and effort or it wouldn't have taken you until the end of the season. No doubt it was far more complicated than being able to hunt a public land bull with no restrictions on where you can hunt.
I will personally moderate the topic and remove any negative comments, this forum does not allow negative comments in "success topics" posted by the hunter. If you're not interested in posting the story or if you have signed an agreement for your story I fully understand. Either way, I want you to know that there are many of us who would truly enjoy hearing your story, and congratulations on being lucky enough to take most likely the best free ranging bull ever taken.
Regards,
Dale Denney
Forum Owner
Post by: bearpaw on January 15, 2025, 08:23:25 AM
Dale,
With all due respect, I would like to respond to your post.
I am one of the commenters that may be on the negative side of this.
I am also one of the members who invests as a business sponsor to support the HW forum.
Its a beautiful bull, and fairly certain it was killed legally.
Because I choose to defend my passion for hunting, and the future of hunting for the average person, from a style of "hunting" that most definitely threatens normal hunters, does not make me a bad person!!
I see high dollar trophy hunters on an equal level of threat to hunting as are anti's, and predators. I do not know the man involved, am positive he is a good man, but to say he is anything but a TH is most likely false. How many times do you need your name in a record book for sheep in WA state? (While thousands of us who also love to hunt will never get to shoot just 1.) THAT is disgusting for ya! Am I jealous or is he greedy??
"Jealousy"....enough with the comments from many members. Sure a few may be jealous, BUT Greed has a whole lot more to do with these type hunts. Because some disagree, does not mean they are jealous.
"Photos" on HW..... Yes, I'm sure some will not post photos because of this type thing. There are wayyyy more folks who won't post pics on (or join) HW because of all the "Elites" on here. (ie; calling smaller bucks they shoot, meat bucks) Those bucks, and any deer are trophys to most folks, as they should be.
ALSO, I have noticed quite a drop in pics shared since the removal of the photo contests. Thats on you guys IMO
And, Ive said it on here many times, If these wealthy folks really cared about conservation, and being a GOOD sportsman, they would donate to the species conservation without the need to shoot multiple OIL critters (5 sheep, maybe more) while most never get the chance. its more like they are supporting conservation.......so they can just shoot another sheep the next year....oh yeah it HAS to be bigger than last years.
:twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :brew: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Your contribution for advertising on the forum is greatly appreciated as are all the other advertisers, it helps pay the bills to keep the forum online, your business benefits as well, and members get free involvement on the forum, it's a win/win for everyone, thank you. To be clear my comments were not directed at you or any particular member but as a whole to all the negative comments.
I respect your passion for hunting but unlike you I do agree with neighborhood hunting. As human populations expand there are increasing neighborhoods in formerly lightly populated areas. Increasingly these areas are finding the need need to manage herds with hunting seasons or by hiring sharp shooters. I am happy when hunters do the hunting rather than sharp shooters. But either way, society is learning that animals need managed. In todays world there is quite a lot of hunting done in neighborhoods on small properties all over the United States. I know that not everyone wants to hunt in a neighborhood but I think it's unfair and elitist to discredit hunters who do if it is legally and safely done. If this was a small bull I'll bet that very little if anything would have been said, but because its a huge bull and his son posted on social media, some people think its unfair and choose to discredit him.
Comments have not been removed from this topic because its a discussion topic. But, for anyone who is not familiar with how topics are handled on this forum, discussion topics verses success topics, they wouldn't know that we allow negative comments in discussion topics but do not allow negative comments in success topics. I am almost certain that after reading this topic many people would seriously reconsider posting their photos and stories for fear of getting the same type of vicious treatment.
I see wealth seems to be a big factor, there's a lot of vitriol for wealthy people and their ability to purchase what others can't afford to purchase. There are many cases of very wealthy people starting with nothing in life, but through hard work and choosing the right venture, they became very wealthy, I am happy this can happen in America. It's true that quite often people are born into wealth, what is wrong with that, wouldn't anyone want to pass down their wealth to their family? I respect the heirs who are smart enough to keep their inheritance rather than squander it. Rather than hate wealth I respect the hard work it took to make it, free enterprise is what has made America great. We all choose our own path in life, if people are upset that someone else can afford what they cannot afford, maybe they should have chosen a different path in life. Life is what we all make of it!
Another consideration is how people prioritize their spending, some will invest greatly in hunting adventures while others only want to hunt as inexpensively as possible, I don't look down at either, it should be your choice how much you want to spend for hunting.
I see the big fuss about the bull being a yard bull. The bottom line is animals can get big and old by staying in places where they avoid hunters. Some animals find little spots to avoid hunters in the mountains or desert but many animals have learned private properties are a safe haven. From what I have read there is no proof the guy hunted anywhere that wasn't legal to hunt even though it appears some people were hoping to discredit him for that.
I see mention of his son's social media posts. Its obvious to me his son is proud of his dad, maybe the kid got carried away with his comments, I don't know, and neither do most of the negative posters, who are they to judge in such a harsh way without knowing how much effort was put into finding where to hunt the bull, it obviously wasn't easy or he would have killed the bull long before he did? And even if it was easy, what is wrong with being lucky and getting an easy trophy bull? How many of you would pass that bull on your first day hunting not far from your vehicle because it was too easy?
If this was an auction bull everyone would be jealous or upset they didn't have a chance, but this was a raffle bull, anyone who entered the raffle could have drawn the tag. People say he bought thousands of tags, that's unfair, well he knew this bull existed, if I knew where that bull was hanging out and had a rough Idea of how I could possibly get the bull I would buy as many raffle tags as I could afford and research where I might be able to hunt him. People say its unfair because they can't afford to buy as many tags, maybe follow a different path in life or work an extra side gig so you can afford more raffle tags. On top of all that, couldn't anyone who drew a quality tag in that unit have hunted the bull if they knew about him and if they put in the work to figure out where to hunt him. I don't think Casey Brooks had the only exclusive opportunity to hunt that bull? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!
I don't know the real story, I don't think many people do, but as long as it was a legally taken bull I'm not going to badmouth the hunter and I would certainly enjoy reading the real tale of the hunt. If it was proven the bull was poached that would be different, even though some people seem to be hoping that happens, I'm happy for the hunter and I'm glad the bull is getting recognition, that's pretty awesome if a Washington bull becomes the new world record!
Regarding trophy hunters, we all have our own personal reasons for hunting. I'm not going to judge anyone's reason if they are law abiding hunters. Trophy hunters contribute greatly to conservation. One of the most visible examples in this state are the antelope, thanks to trophy hunting members of Safari Club and the Yakima Indian tribe, we now have antelope in Washington. There are many examples, but that is one of the most visible examples in WA. Trophy hunters are making a positive difference all over the world!
Post by: bearpaw on January 15, 2025, 08:33:56 AM
I have refrained from commenting so far. I met Casey a few years back when he drove up my driveway during turkey season. Of course there were turkeys all around my place. He said he did not need a guide but would like to hunt my leases and only pay me if he shot a gobbler. Casey had been hunting most of the season and this was near the end of May. He pulled out his phone and started showing me all the bull elk he shot with a bow.He said they all came from Indian Reservations in Arizona and New Mexico. $17,000 to $25,000 per hunt. Lots of stories about the Rez bulls. I finally agreed to take him to one of my leases down by Fruitland the next morning and turn him loose. Next morning I get up , get the coffee on , and get ready to take him to my lease. And I waited , and waited, and waited. NO SHOW. I won't give you my impression of the hunter after meeting him. I also talked with a friend/farmer that has land and lives up the Addy/ Cedonia Road. He had the same experience with Casey except I think Casey hunted his land. The farmer never saw him again. That was my experience with this hunter. What would you think?? Carry On......
I'm sorry that happened, I can understand your feelings there, I've had similar things happen with other people who never showed.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 15, 2025, 05:45:27 PM
I have zero qualms with neighborhood hunting, or any kind of hunting as long as it is done with respect towards the animal, other hunters, and the general public.
The only issue I have with these type scenarios is that it appears these folks are basically buying their own hunting acreage/reserves .......WA ST, at the expense of the average hunter.
If I was super wealthy (getting closer everyday :chuckle:) I would not be able to look at myself in the mirror and know I was a good guy and sportsman while at the same time making OIL species like sheep my personal playground. Of course I want to shoot 1, just 1, not 5, and when that was accomplished, I would look elsewhere for other hunts to entertain myself. One can look at these $$$$ guys however you want, but Greed is all I see. Sorry.
As for Mr. Brooks,
If you see this, I challenge you to pick out an individual who loves hunting, maybe someone who is older and has longed to kill a sheep his entire life but has not. Invite him to the auction and Purchase a sheep auction permit in his name or invest in the raffle as if was for you, but his name.
This is how you earn fellow sportsman respect. It is what I would do if I had the means......not to gain respect(although it would/should) but just to SHARE my good fortunes with fellow sportsman.
In closing, a shout out of respect to the hunter who chose not to target this particular bull because of the scenario. Job well done to you sir, and Congrats on your bull.
Post by: 2MANY on January 15, 2025, 06:21:24 PM
Post by: PsoasHunter on January 15, 2025, 08:56:56 PM
To you and the many others who have made negative assumptions about this hunter: you've made multiple posts asking why Casey doesn't just donate money for the good of sportsmen, and why he only spends money for raffle and auction tags.i don't know Casey at all, do you? How do you know he doesn't also spend money elsewhere in conservation? With all his hunting background, don't you think he's maybe spent some dollars at an rmef banquet, or donated to a land conservation project, or possibly sent some money to support a pro-hunting ballot measure like keeping cougars huntable in Colorado that cost millions to keep from passing? Unless you personally know the guy to be a greedy person, why all the character assassination of him?
Post by: trophyhunt on January 15, 2025, 09:21:27 PM
RESPECT EARNED.wow, just amazing.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 15, 2025, 09:29:31 PM
Nock, I appreciate a lot of your contributions to this thread, I usually agree with your frame of reference. I appreciate all the pictures and stories of your hunts you share, thank you.that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS. The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why? Maybe he knew the facts and knew the kill wasn’t part of a great hunt? If it was my kill, and I knew this thread was going on, I’d prob stop by say hi, say yeah, the kill part was easy but I worked my azz off before that. Yeah I know, he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone, but this is what you get.
To you and the many others who have made negative assumptions about this hunter: you've made multiple posts asking why Casey doesn't just donate money for the good of sportsmen, and why he only spends money for raffle and auction tags.i don't know Casey at all, do you? How do you know he doesn't also spend money elsewhere in conservation? With all his hunting background, don't you think he's maybe spent some dollars at an rmef banquet, or donated to a land conservation project, or possibly sent some money to support a pro-hunting ballot measure like keeping cougars huntable in Colorado that cost millions to keep from passing? Unless you personally know the guy to be a greedy person, why all the character assassination of him?
Post by: huntnnw on January 15, 2025, 11:12:09 PM
In Washington state there is zero chance of any wilderness or deep in a national forest bull ever of reaching 490" with all of our predators. The only way an elk will get that big is lounging on a golf course, stealing hay from livestock and eating apple orchard leftovers. I'm sure it was legally killed but a killing a pet elk in town isn't exactly the story I would like to tell. It will look good on the wall and in the record book where no story is required it's just a number on a line.
460s wilderness bull was just recently killed
when I had a mt view archery tag... mossback was there with governor tag holder with a guide sitting on a 460's bull. Was never seen again after the shooter showed up. There was a 413" bull killed on the same hunt with a bow.
Post by: kentrek on January 16, 2025, 12:12:40 AM
that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS. The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?
The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets
The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care
Post by: bearpaw on January 16, 2025, 06:20:34 AM
that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS. The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?
The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets
The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care
:yeah:
kentrek those are all very good points. I've made the mistake of assuming things too many times and sometimes I still do it, not on purpose, its just unfortunately happens sometimes, and when I find out something I didn't know that greatly changes the circumstances I usually regret my earlier assumptions. The reality is that unless you know the actual story and all the circumstances involved its really hard to make a fair judgement of anything and then is it actually right for us to judge others based on our personal beliefs?
There have been a lot of assumptions and judgements made regarding Casey Brooks, but only a few responses by people who know him, a few positive and at least one negative comment by someone who met the guy. That's literally all most of us know about the man and yet he has been painted as the enemy of hunters. Is that the fair and proper way to be? I don't know, but it appears to me there likely has been unfair treatment of this man's reputation with very little actually known about the man or the hunt. He has been bashed for being successful and wealthy, he has been bashed for spending a ton of money to hunt what some people say is too many animals, and he has been bashed for not earning that bull, I have to say this has the appearance of jealousy! I'm sorry that I made that assumption, but I've got to say, it really looks that way!
How many of you guys have killed more than 5 deer or large numbers of any animal? Is that being greedy? It has been stated that Casey Brooks hunts multiple states to take his many elk and sheep, I'm going to assume all legally, or I'm sure that would all catch up pretty quickly if it wasn't. So on the surface yes, it again appears there is a lot of jealousy! And again I am assuming that, but I have to tell you, that is the way it appears when you put it in perspective with the fact that some guys are so successful at deer hunting, coyote hunting, waterfowl hunting, or whatever is their passion!
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 16, 2025, 06:26:13 AM
that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS. The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?
The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets
The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care
Said I was out but just cant help myself. :sry:
You start your post with "Assumptions" WE are making, then you fill it with your own assumptions and say we are wrong for doing it. :dunno: :dunno:
I do know who is listed in sheep records, and how many times.
I do know how many folks whose life dream is to shoot just 1 sheep.
I do know the meaning of Jealosuy (I'm not... AT ALL)
I do know the meaning of greed.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
I've stated Mr Brooks is most likely a good dude, not trying to attack him. Just my opinion on how I see it.
**Thanks trophyhunt, you get it :hello:
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 16, 2025, 07:22:56 AM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 16, 2025, 07:23:41 AM
Not the same...but I think if I caught a record book bass lets say and said, It was caught at "no tell em" lake, on "no tell em" bait, with "no tell em" story.
Then blasted it all over social media, everyone would speculate. Some might even say I grew it with unnatural feed? :dunno:
:twocents: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 16, 2025, 07:32:07 AM
Reality is his kid didn't do him any favors. I'm sure he's proud and meant well. But the story lacked context and painted a scenario that was quickly questioned in the days following with living pics. Was this Bullwinkle 2.0.... :o
If people don't have the whole story they are left to fill in the blanks with what information they have.
Don't know Casey so not judging him..
It's a great bull....
A story would be cool....or not I guess.
Post by: boneaddict on January 16, 2025, 08:15:01 AM
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag. Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get. Doesn’t seem like it anymore. Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either.
Post by: JakeLand on January 16, 2025, 08:25:45 AM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 16, 2025, 08:35:23 AM
If you actually read his sons “ story “ did he lie or fabricate about anything? No I don’t see anything pointing to any misleading of how this bull was killed at least from what I’ve read . Me personally if my funds allowed I’d have a wall stacked just like his
Did someone say he lied, fabricated or misled?
Post by: kentrek on January 16, 2025, 10:32:05 AM
that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS. The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?
The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets
The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care
Said I was out but just cant help myself. :sry:
You start your post with "Assumptions" WE are making, then you fill it with your own assumptions and say we are wrong for doing it. :dunno: :dunno:
Am i wrong for assuming an old man that was in a wreck could be struggling physicaly ? Or should i just look down at him and say that he supposed to be a backcountry warrior... its your life... you can chose to make negative assumtions or be open to the realitys of life
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 16, 2025, 05:19:59 PM
Unless you are inside my head, YOU are assuming I dont know those things. FWIW some I do, some I dont.
Sorry just pointing out basic stuff here.
Post by: JDHasty on January 16, 2025, 06:00:56 PM
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:Ronny Jenkins is my grandfather in law. Great hunter and Good taxidermy when he was in his prime.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel.
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Heck of a nice guy. My cousin Tom guided for JJJ Wilderness Outfitting and Ray McNutt Outfitting and was close to Ron. I try and stop by his house when I’m in Augusta, he’s not down at the shop much.
Post by: dvolmer on January 16, 2025, 07:50:58 PM
Post by: Buzzsaw461 on January 16, 2025, 08:18:50 PM
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1606586996639794?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 16, 2025, 08:37:30 PM
Post by: Mfowl on January 16, 2025, 09:34:53 PM
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1606586996639794?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
Haha! I was gonna post this too! :chuckle:
Post by: addicted1 on January 16, 2025, 09:59:34 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 17, 2025, 12:44:49 AM
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:Ronny Jenkins is my grandfather in law. Great hunter and Good taxidermy when he was in his prime.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en
My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back. She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally. They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it. She said: No, we want to make a hunt of it.
Her late son finally drew that tag last year. He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull. He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs.
Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless. They could have had they accepted the offers.
My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally. He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD. Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler. He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on. He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days. Didn’t fill the tag.
Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it.
What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light.
What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.” In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with. Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general.
Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel.
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Heck of a nice guy. My cousin Tom guided for JJJ Wilderness Outfitting and Ray McNutt Outfitting and was close to Ron. I try and stop by his house when I’m in Augusta, he’s not down at the shop much.
I guided up and down the front, amazing area. Yup Ron has slowed down alot...sad. Not sure he is still doing taxidermy. Heard a random podcast with him telling stories the other day, I hadn't heard some of them. Sounded like a recent interview. He's got some history for sure....
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 17, 2025, 12:48:52 AM
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1606586996639794?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
Hmmmm... :chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on January 17, 2025, 08:00:09 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 17, 2025, 08:11:00 AM
This same story unfolded about a year or maybe it was two on a deer down in Oregon. Same hunter. It just didn’t have the ramifications as the world record bull, and it didn’t have the help of his son to flame the controversy. He didn’t do his dad any favors for sure. There were a lot of real pissed off people in the neighborhood where he killed the deer. Not my type of hunt. It was a beautiful animal. I’m sure it looks good on his wall.Not sure if this was it - Casey with his Sisters Oregon buck 2023
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag. Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get. Doesn’t seem like it anymore. Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 17, 2025, 08:12:03 AM
What's Ron and the sheep hunt got to do with anything? What's happening here?
:dunno: All part of the spider web... :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on January 17, 2025, 08:25:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2025, 08:30:39 AM
This same story unfolded about a year or maybe it was two on a deer down in Oregon. Same hunter. It just didn’t have the ramifications as the world record bull, and it didn’t have the help of his son to flame the controversy. He didn’t do his dad any favors for sure. There were a lot of real pissed off people in the neighborhood where he killed the deer. Not my type of hunt. It was a beautiful animal. I’m sure it looks good on his wall.I’m not positive we’re thinking of the same deer, but I think we are. If we are, I’m also 99% sure Casey didn’t kill that buck.
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag. Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get. Doesn’t seem like it anymore. Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 19, 2025, 10:13:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2025, 10:20:02 AM
The Oregon neighborhood buck, the pic was taken a year before the kill. I have no reason to think anything illegal happened, just heard people were not happy about it.
Oh. That’s a different Oregon neighborhood buck than the one I was thinking about.
This is the one I was thinking about. The hunt/kill was guided by Sheep Mountain Outfitters. Can’t find a harvest pic but this is the buck.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250119/2969953d89460d685628cc25078de916.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250119/a2ce50e0e3b7b771c15d9aab807104a2.jpg)
Post by: JDHasty on January 20, 2025, 10:43:35 AM
Got a laugh, can’t believe this thread is still going. Really don’t get the issue here, man see a bull, man kills bull. Why does anyone care how it happened if it was legal?
Guy down the street and his son built a custom hot rod and did most of the work themselves. They belong to a club and enter their car in car shows. The same sort of discussion goes on there. Guys will enter a car, or two or three cars, in local club shows. Cars that they have either bought outright, or have commissioned and paid for the work on, but haven’t done much, if any, of the actual work on.
When I was younger we raced our cars at South Sound Speedway and Seattle International Raceway. Guys who hadn’t been up until midnight all week working on their car, but had plenty of money would show up on Saturday and rent a ready to go race car.
So, if they place first in the race or car show was it incumbent on others to congratulate them? My personal opinion is that it is not necessary to recognize their accomplishment in the same light as others who actually have done the hard part themselves, or even recognize it as an accomplishment and not an “accomplishment.” It isn’t incumbent on me to recognize them as having actually accomplished anything worthy of recognition, or I’m not being a good sport.
I’m not telling anyone else how they should consider trophies taken under auction or raffle tags, but I resent being told, or have it insinuated, that I am envious or resentful if I don’t consider the value of the accomplishments of those who have the money to buy a trophy, and have for all intents and purposes done just that, differently. Different in kind, not just degree.
Post by: kentrek on January 20, 2025, 11:04:53 AM
Got a laugh, can’t believe this thread is still going. Really don’t get the issue here, man see a bull, man kills bull. Why does anyone care how it happened if it was legal?
Guy down the street and his son built a custom hot rod and did most of the work themselves. They belong to a club and enter their car in car shows. The same sort of discussion goes on there. Guys will enter a car, or two or three cars, in local club shows. Cars that they have either bought outright, or have commissioned and paid for the work on, but haven’t done much, if any, of the actual work on.
When I was younger we raced our cars at South Sound Speedway and Seattle International Raceway. Guys who hadn’t been up until midnight all week working on their car, but had plenty of money would show up on Saturday and rent a ready to go race car.
So, if they place first in the race or car show was it incumbent on others to congratulate them? My personal opinion is that it is not necessary to recognize their accomplishment in the same light as others who actually have done the hard part themselves, or even recognize it as an accomplishment and not an “accomplishment.” It isn’t incumbent on me to recognize them as having actually accomplished anything worthy of recognition, or I’m not being a good sport.
I’m not telling anyone else how they should consider trophies taken under auction or raffle tags, but I resent being told, or have it insinuated, that I am envious or resentful if I don’t consider the value of the accomplishments of those who have the money to buy a trophy, and have for all intents and purposes done just that, differently. Different in kind, not just degree.
When you get beat by the guy renting the race car do you go up to him and tell him "i dont need to congratulate you because you didnt earn it" ? Do you jump online after the race and say i was told by someones uncles nephew that he didnt do "xyz" so its not that special ? Did he work on his bussiness until midnight in order to make that money ? Was his bussiness being a dr saving a kids life on a 16 hour surgery ? Is that harder then wrenching on a car ? He might be wishing he could just chill at home wrenching on a car with his dad...he might be jelous of you !
Do you think him placing 1st takes away from your accomplishment of putting in that hard work ? You only need to be recognized by yourself...
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 20, 2025, 11:13:24 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 20, 2025, 02:57:55 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 20, 2025, 05:39:34 PM
Fun side fact for all those throwing out the Jealousy claim. You are actually referring to Envy. FWIW
JDHasty I get your point, its a pride thing. Which I believe can be good or bad, depending on how exercised.
Post by: MADMAX on January 20, 2025, 05:53:30 PM
Pretty sure we are more than half way thru the 7 deadly sins here with this thing, from both sides.
Fun side fact for all those throwing out the Jealousy claim. You are actually referring to Envy. FWIW
JDHasty I get your point, its a pride thing. Which I believe can be good or bad, depending on how exercised.
Yup
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,290055.msg3946520.html#msg3946520
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 20, 2025, 06:23:35 PM
These types of kills bring front and center the elephant in the room no one really wants to talk about. The fact that the historic way we have used and looked at the north American model is changing. And change is scary if your not in control of it. It's natural to lash out at anything that seems like a threat.
Top 5 best comments right there bro...I agree, well said!
Post by: addicted1 on January 20, 2025, 07:51:43 PM
Got a laugh, can’t believe this thread is still going. Really don’t get the issue here, man see a bull, man kills bull. Why does anyone care how it happened if it was legal?
Guy down the street and his son built a custom hot rod and did most of the work themselves. They belong to a club and enter their car in car shows. The same sort of discussion goes on there. Guys will enter a car, or two or three cars, in local club shows. Cars that they have either bought outright, or have commissioned and paid for the work on, but haven’t done much, if any, of the actual work on.
When I was younger we raced our cars at South Sound Speedway and Seattle International Raceway. Guys who hadn’t been up until midnight all week working on their car, but had plenty of money would show up on Saturday and rent a ready to go race car.
So, if they place first in the race or car show was it incumbent on others to congratulate them? My personal opinion is that it is not necessary to recognize their accomplishment in the same light as others who actually have done the hard part themselves, or even recognize it as an accomplishment and not an “accomplishment.” It isn’t incumbent on me to recognize them as having actually accomplished anything worthy of recognition, or I’m not being a good sport.
I’m not telling anyone else how they should consider trophies taken under auction or raffle tags, but I resent being told, or have it insinuated, that I am envious or resentful if I don’t consider the value of the accomplishments of those who have the money to buy a trophy, and have for all intents and purposes done just that, differently. Different in kind, not just degree.
Are you saying it shouldn’t be considered a record bull for its location to private lands? Or, just that you don’t want to congratulate him for killing a bull? Just not sure what you were trying to get to with that.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 27, 2025, 08:28:39 AM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 27, 2025, 09:18:32 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 27, 2025, 09:20:48 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on January 27, 2025, 11:57:09 AM
https://elkshape.com/blogs/podcast/casey-brooks?srsltid=AfmBOoqHrfY0ImfxBO60aOfJCYItspLExUOPZICYJtoLAGMmHP2mmDJu (https://elkshape.com/blogs/podcast/casey-brooks?srsltid=AfmBOoqHrfY0ImfxBO60aOfJCYItspLExUOPZICYJtoLAGMmHP2mmDJu)
Post by: kentrek on January 27, 2025, 12:57:29 PM
Yeah video of someone pulling up on the bull in an open area along the road
I wonder if the video was cut short because the bull took off shortly after....or do you think he stood there posing for photos and the guy just stopped videoing the world record bull
Post by: LDennis24 on March 10, 2025, 09:07:49 PM
Post by: Caveman123 on March 10, 2025, 09:32:31 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on March 11, 2025, 09:26:35 AM
Word on the street around here is he chased this particular elk from beginning to end of his season. It did what elk do in central wa and live in the mountains in early season and lived in the mountains and came down to the valleys in the winter. Only have 3rd and 4th hand info but sounded like he worked his ass off for this particular animal. Congrats to the hunter great to see something great taken in our home state.
Post by: huntnphool on March 11, 2025, 12:43:11 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHCukpgJnIV/?igsh=bHBxYzNjeTg4ank3&img_index=3
That’s his Oregon bull?
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2025, 12:50:42 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on March 11, 2025, 03:07:40 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHCukpgJnIV/?igsh=bHBxYzNjeTg4ank3&img_index=3
That’s his Oregon bull?
No, the new record bull from Washington
Post by: Caseyd on March 11, 2025, 03:26:34 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on March 11, 2025, 09:08:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 11, 2025, 11:51:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHCukpgJnIV/?igsh=bHBxYzNjeTg4ank3&img_index=3
That’s his Oregon bull?
No, the new record bull from Washington
Post by: LDennis24 on March 12, 2025, 08:32:47 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHCukpgJnIV/?igsh=bHBxYzNjeTg4ank3&img_index=3
That’s his Oregon bull?
No, the new record bull from Washington
Yeah, they apparently don't know much except how to sell bows. It's the bull from Washington.
Post by: emac on March 12, 2025, 09:24:52 AM
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Post by: bullfisher on March 13, 2025, 04:30:37 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on March 13, 2025, 08:14:14 AM
Post by: 2MANY on March 13, 2025, 10:33:35 AM
Keep Hammerin.
Post by: LDennis24 on March 13, 2025, 11:23:21 AM
Post by: hunterednate on March 13, 2025, 04:14:04 PM
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
Post by: bullfisher on March 13, 2025, 04:22:00 PM
The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
Good write up! Man there’s some nasty folks out there..
Post by: Dan-o on March 13, 2025, 04:35:03 PM
The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
Good write up! Man there’s some nasty folks out there..
:yeah:
Thank you for posting this article, Nate.
Very illuminating.
Post by: HikerHunter on March 13, 2025, 04:57:18 PM
Post by: 2MANY on March 13, 2025, 08:30:03 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on March 14, 2025, 08:25:34 AM
The rest of the story:she never asked me.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
Post by: time2hunt on March 14, 2025, 08:38:47 AM
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Post by: Whitefoot on March 14, 2025, 08:55:37 AM
Or you never answered her call ?She never called me. Another guy called and I talked to him. But he hasn't published anything.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 14, 2025, 09:24:12 AM
Post by: Whitefoot on March 14, 2025, 09:26:27 AM
Again, you commenting on the subject of ethical elk hunting, is ridiculous.An there is Jerry.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 14, 2025, 09:36:19 AM
well, you are a protected class on here, so I’m sure I’ll have to converse with you on Facebook after this.Again, you commenting on the subject of ethical elk hunting, is ridiculous.An there is Jerry.
Post by: Whitefoot on March 14, 2025, 09:41:32 AM
All i was saying was son was full s.... I'm sure you will.well, you are a protected class on here, so I’m sure I’ll have to converse with you on Facebook after this.Again, you commenting on the subject of ethical elk hunting, is ridiculous.An there is Jerry.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 14, 2025, 09:45:10 AM
ok, we agree on something!!!! Must be why we had a blood moon last night! lol. Yeah, his kids story is what started this mess.All i was saying was son was full s.... I'm sure you will.well, you are a protected class on here, so I’m sure I’ll have to converse with you on Facebook after this.Again, you commenting on the subject of ethical elk hunting, is ridiculous.An there is Jerry.
Post by: boneaddict on March 14, 2025, 09:49:37 AM
Post by: Whitefoot on March 14, 2025, 09:51:37 AM
As I said on a post on this subject on facebook. THe best way to handle the OL article is to turn it into a drinking game. Every time they mention the word Public, take a shot. By the end of the article you wont remember reading it.lol
Post by: Feathernfurr on March 14, 2025, 10:42:01 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 14, 2025, 10:45:32 AM
I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.100%. Perfectly said! And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.
Post by: Tbar on March 14, 2025, 10:54:50 AM
I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.:yeah:
The article validates that it was fed at multiple houses, lots of reason for added suspicious thoughts(even investigations). If it were me I would have started and ended with this quote from the article "To kill a world record, you have to hunt that animal where he is — not where you want him to be.". Beyond that the article did very little to "tell the other side of the story". There are many more pictures of the bull floating around when it was alive and comfortable in a residential setting.
Post by: hunterednate on March 14, 2025, 11:02:58 AM
The rest of the story:she never asked me.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
I appreciate you clarifying this. The authors specifically say you "declined to be interviewed on the record in January," and if they didn't contact you in January (or if they thought they did and you never actually responded with "I decline") - in my opinion, that's unethical and deceptive reporting.
Post by: Feathernfurr on March 14, 2025, 11:11:36 AM
Post by: bigdub257 on March 14, 2025, 11:28:26 AM
I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.100%. Perfectly said! And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.
Agree totally. My gut tells me there's more to the story. A lot more!
Post by: CarbonHunter on March 14, 2025, 12:39:09 PM
He obviously put in a lot of time and money to locate the bull but he wasn’t chasing it all season long. He admits that he only got it on video a couple of times and if he wasn’t alerted by his cell camera in early December he would have given up on the bull. Also that the bull crossed one camera and then was spotted on another is the only reason he was able to track it to the neighborhood he killed it in.
The hunter obviously took advantage of a gray area in the P&Y rules by using the cell cameras to track the animal. If I were on the committee that needs to make the final decision I would bring attention to him admitting to using cell cameras to track the animal and I would vote that the use of that electronic device to track the animal is a violation of the fair chase doctrine. But I’m not on that committee and I doubt they will take that stance.
Post by: Stein on March 14, 2025, 12:45:32 PM
I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.100%. Perfectly said! And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.
Who knows where the bull spent the rest of the year?
Post by: zwickeyman on March 14, 2025, 12:57:26 PM
By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow. to guide someone to an animal
Post by: freshgrease on March 14, 2025, 12:58:32 PM
I watched the podcast with Cam and read the article. I don’t think Casey did anything illegal, and I’m not saying I wouldn’t have potentially done the same thing given the opportunity to kill this bull. But watching him tell the story, and reading the article, there still feels like there is a degree of shadiness to it all. Like he gets permission with 2 days left, gets a camera in there, confirms on camera the bull is around, then hunts it the last 2 days. That timeline doesn’t make sense. Regardless of all that it seems 100% ethical and legal. With that said, it was a big money tag, baiting was involved, it was killed amongst houses(even if it supposedly lived on public), he had a team of guys tracking and looking for it, and they brought the bull to him because they wanted him to kill it, it just all kind of stinks. I’m sure he would’ve loved for it to not have happened that way too, but because it did, it’s just not an impressive feat to me. The bull to me is the only real positive of this story. Great to see that a free range bull can push that 500” mark and that a world record can still be broken in these times.100%. Perfectly said! And for a bull like that to live in an area accessible to tribes from August to whenever, 24/7 is a miracle in itself.
Who knows where the bull spent the rest of the year?
Around the homes in upper Peoh point I'd wager :chuckle:
My huge takeaway from that article is that 5 gal of apples and 5 gal of alfalfa and you got old bulls letting their tastebuds get the better of them!
Omw to the feed store
Post by: link on March 14, 2025, 01:34:53 PM
As I said on a post on this subject on facebook. THe best way to handle the OL article is to turn it into a drinking game. Every time they mention the word Public, take a shot. By the end of the article you wont remember reading it.Yes! It sure seemed like they were pushing hard on the public land/ national Forest a angle in that article 😂
Also, that guy got a months worth of scouting, asking permission, baiting and hunting done in three day's 🤣
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on March 14, 2025, 08:59:37 PM
A$$ kissing & apologies. That was very strange
Post by: 2MANY on March 14, 2025, 09:20:03 PM
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Post by: hunt3636223 on March 15, 2025, 09:22:05 PM
My sources told me Kittitas county plow truck. They are not hunters just county workersDefinitely not a Kittitas County plow truck
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2025, 07:29:09 AM
The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
So often people are so negative especially when someone kills a record class animal, this really bothers me, we shouldn't berate fellow hunters without just cause and without knowing all the facts. After my previous comments supporting Brooks in that manner, I was contacted by one of Casey's friends who is a member on this forum, he said that Casey appreciated my post and the full story would be coming out publicly in the podcast. It's good to see the full story public to put rumors to rest, including the fact that it was investigated by WDFW! I think Casey detailed the story very well, even the part of giving up on the bull until getting lucky enough to get permission, I can't see anything that I would have done differently if I was in the same position as he was with that tag. He really held the line as a bowhunter, well done!
It's sad to see that some people are doubling down to berate his hunt, that just looks like jealousy. I'm sorry but that's what it looks like! I know its coming so just flame away, but that won't change how it looks!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 16, 2025, 08:24:19 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on March 16, 2025, 11:26:56 AM
:yeah: To all of it. Great read.The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
Good write up! Man there’s some nasty folks out there..
:yeah:
Thank you for posting this article, Nate.
Very illuminating.
Post by: JWBINX on March 16, 2025, 02:06:22 PM
The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
So often people are so negative especially when someone kills a record class animal, this really bothers me, we shouldn't berate fellow hunters without just cause and without knowing all the facts. After my previous comments supporting Brooks in that manner, I was contacted by one of Casey's friends who is a member on this forum, he said that Casey appreciated my post and the full story would be coming out publicly in the podcast. It's good to see the full story public to put rumors to rest, including the fact that it was investigated by WDFW! I think Casey detailed the story very well, even the part of giving up on the bull until getting lucky enough to get permission, I can't see anything that I would have done differently if I was in the same position as he was with that tag. He really held the line as a bowhunter, well done!
It's sad to see that some people are doubling down to berate his hunt, that just looks like jealousy. I'm sorry but that's what it looks like! I know its coming so just flame away, but that won't change how it looks!
Thank you Bearpaw!
I've read the OL article and listened to the podcast.
Good story and a great Bull.
People can't enjoy others success.
Definitely a lot of skepticism and jealousy.
Kinda sad.
Post by: full choke on March 16, 2025, 02:50:15 PM
The rest of the story:
https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/casey-brooks-bull-world-record-elk/
Fascinating and really well done by OL on the write up, especially getting the neighbors perspectives. I wish Whitefoot would have gone on the record for this.
So often people are so negative especially when someone kills a record class animal, this really bothers me, we shouldn't berate fellow hunters without just cause and without knowing all the facts. After my previous comments supporting Brooks in that manner, I was contacted by one of Casey's friends who is a member on this forum, he said that Casey appreciated my post and the full story would be coming out publicly in the podcast. It's good to see the full story public to put rumors to rest, including the fact that it was investigated by WDFW! I think Casey detailed the story very well, even the part of giving up on the bull until getting lucky enough to get permission, I can't see anything that I would have done differently if I was in the same position as he was with that tag. He really held the line as a bowhunter, well done!
It's sad to see that some people are doubling down to berate his hunt, that just looks like jealousy. I'm sorry but that's what it looks like! I know its coming so just flame away, but that won't change how it looks!
Thank you Bearpaw!
I've read the OL article and listened to the podcast.
Good story and a great Bull.
People can't enjoy others success.
Definitely a lot of skepticism and jealousy.
Kinda sad.
I realize this horse is dead and doesn't need to be beaten anymore, but...
I don't know about jealousy? I think that is painting with too broad a brush.
Skepticism? Post your trophy hunt online and you practically beg for it.
Originally, I did not think much at all about the hunt and story. Just a big bull killed in close proximity to people. Nothing wrong with it, but not exactly an epic adventure.
After reading the OL story- it seems dirty somehow. Reads like Brooks wrote the story himself- lots of accolades. The whole "misunderstanding" by the landowner seems fishy. Straight up honesty would have gone a long way there (reminded me of the Bullwinkle guys creating a murky situation by calling WDFW for clarity on weapon use). But I guess that is how trophy hunting goes these days, usually ends up in speculation and/or litigation.
In any event, he is an accomplished hunter who killed a huge bull. Case closed.
Post by: Roslyn Rambler on March 16, 2025, 05:06:44 PM
P&Y Rules of fair chase
By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow. to guide someone to an animal
Are all "Reveal" game cams cellular? If so, then I agree.
Qualifies as electronic device used for locating.
P&Y "might" have a issue with this
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 16, 2025, 05:30:09 PM
Good bull, good eating, done!
Post by: zwickeyman on March 16, 2025, 05:53:24 PM
P&Y fosters this whole line of thinking by scoring bulls and keeping record books. Elitist group that has no business pointing fingers.
Good bull, good eating, done!
I posted that but I agree with you.
Post by: LDennis24 on March 17, 2025, 09:47:01 AM
Seems like a lot of folks here like chichen Dennis.
I don't know what chichen is and I don't care what other people like, it's all jealousy and envy towards someone more succesful than yourself. I'm just pointing it out. Get over it, be an adult about it, and quit trying to make someone else's success look like less because it's not you. :dunno:
Post by: Tbar on March 17, 2025, 10:22:04 AM
No jealousy, I do wish it had been Aaron, Dustin or KW to harvest it. I just know it's so common to celebrate legally harvested animals.Seems like a lot of folks here like chichen Dennis.
I don't know what chichen is and I don't care what other people like, it's all jealousy and envy towards someone more succesful than yourself. I'm just pointing it out. Get over it, be an adult about it, and quit trying to make someone else's success look like less because it's not you. :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2025, 10:27:52 AM
”rolling eyes emoji”.No jealousy, I do wish it had been Aaron, Dustin or KW to harvest it. I just know it's so common to celebrate legally harvested animals.Seems like a lot of folks here like chichen Dennis.
I don't know what chichen is and I don't care what other people like, it's all jealousy and envy towards someone more succesful than yourself. I'm just pointing it out. Get over it, be an adult about it, and quit trying to make someone else's success look like less because it's not you. :dunno:
Post by: time2hunt on March 17, 2025, 10:48:09 AM
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Post by: Tbar on March 17, 2025, 01:40:35 PM
Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Post by: teanawayslayer on March 17, 2025, 06:58:42 PM
so if you had a tag and permission tbar you would not have harvested this bull?Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Post by: ipkus on March 17, 2025, 09:01:09 PM
…but if Joe Biden was the only guy giving the “whole official story” of how something he did went down…
I don’t know Mr Brooks and I wasn’t there. I hope it was just as he says. I also hope his kid has learned something.
Live your life for yourselves, people.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 17, 2025, 09:17:07 PM
Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Tbar may know better than I but I suspect those with more access and less restrictions may enjoy less sense of accomplishment of a harvest than others who don’t enjoy such privledge.
As Jim Shockey said, the sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.
Post by: Tbar on March 17, 2025, 09:44:08 PM
Honestly, no. However I do not fault anyone who would or did. If I did, I would have kept the story short. The statement from the article to the effect of you have to kill them where they are is absolutely accurate. There are other things that make one go hmm, enough so that my mind went from WOW to meh. Not throwing around any baseless accusations and not jealous. Watching the entire thing play out, I'm skeptical, that's all.so if you had a tag and permission tbar you would not have harvested this bull?Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Post by: Tbar on March 17, 2025, 09:49:17 PM
I'm not sure if you are discounting me or the WR bull? Or both? Either way there's a double standard when it comes to celebration of legal harvest.Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Tbar may know better than I but I suspect those with more access and less restrictions may enjoy less sense of accomplishment of a harvest than others who don’t enjoy such privledge.
As Jim Shockey said, the sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 18, 2025, 07:00:56 AM
You hit it on the headYour killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Tbar may know better than I but I suspect those with more access and less restrictions may enjoy less sense of accomplishment of a harvest than others who don’t enjoy such privledge.
As Jim Shockey said, the sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 18, 2025, 07:03:43 AM
agree, and I’d say that most of the people being called jealous on this thread feel the same way. Except, I don’t feel anyone would pass that bull up if all was legal.Honestly, no. However I do not fault anyone who would or did. If I did, I would have kept the story short. The statement from the article to the effect of you have to kill them where they are is absolutely accurate. There are other things that make one go hmm, enough so that my mind went from WOW to meh. Not throwing around any baseless accusations and not jealous. Watching the entire thing play out, I'm skeptical, that's all.so if you had a tag and permission tbar you would not have harvested this bull?Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 18, 2025, 07:06:33 AM
Magnum brought up a great point, and where is this WR bull?I'm not sure if you are discounting me or the WR bull? Or both? Either way there's a double standard when it comes to celebration of legal harvest.Your killing me TbarI'm just stating that it's not always rainbows and unicorns just because it's legal. We as hunters aren't always united in celebration upon legal harvest.
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Tbar may know better than I but I suspect those with more access and less restrictions may enjoy less sense of accomplishment of a harvest than others who don’t enjoy such privledge.
As Jim Shockey said, the sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.
Post by: Stein on March 18, 2025, 01:08:27 PM
It's out of the ordinary anymore for someone to chase a record bull only to keep it quiet just for their close friends and family to enjoy on the wall.
Post by: 85yota on March 21, 2025, 05:40:10 PM