Possible record bull?

[PsoasHunter]

Nock, I appreciate a lot of your contributions to this thread, I usually agree with your frame of reference. I appreciate all the pictures and stories of your hunts you share, thank you.

To you and the many others who have made negative assumptions about this hunter: you've made multiple posts asking why Casey doesn't just donate money for the good of sportsmen, and why he only spends money for raffle and auction tags.i don't know Casey at all, do you? How do you know he doesn't also spend money elsewhere in conservation? With all his hunting background, don't you think he's maybe spent some dollars at an rmef banquet, or donated to a land conservation project, or possibly sent some money to support a pro-hunting ballot measure like keeping cougars huntable in Colorado that cost millions to keep from passing? Unless you personally know the guy to be a greedy person,  why  all the character assassination of him?

[trophyhunt]

RESPECT EARNED.

wow, just amazing. 

[trophyhunt]

Nock, I appreciate a lot of your contributions to this thread, I usually agree with your frame of reference. I appreciate all the pictures and stories of your hunts you share, thank you.

To you and the many others who have made negative assumptions about this hunter: you've made multiple posts asking why Casey doesn't just donate money for the good of sportsmen, and why he only spends money for raffle and auction tags.i don't know Casey at all, do you? How do you know he doesn't also spend money elsewhere in conservation? With all his hunting background, don't you think he's maybe spent some dollars at an rmef banquet, or donated to a land conservation project, or possibly sent some money to support a pro-hunting ballot measure like keeping cougars huntable in Colorado that cost millions to keep from passing? Unless you personally know the guy to be a greedy person,  why  all the character assassination of him?

that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS.  The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why? Maybe he knew the facts and knew the kill wasn’t part of a great hunt? If it was my kill, and I knew this thread was going on, I’d prob stop by say hi, say yeah, the kill part was easy but I worked my azz off before that.  Yeah I know, he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone, but this is what you get. 

[huntnnw]

In Washington state there is zero chance of any wilderness or deep in a national forest bull ever of reaching 490" with all of our predators.  The only way an elk will get that big is lounging on a golf course, stealing hay from livestock and eating apple orchard leftovers.  I'm sure it was legally killed but a killing a pet elk in town isn't exactly the story I would like to tell. It will look good on the wall and in the record book where no story is required it's just a number on a line.

460s wilderness bull was just recently killed

when I had a mt view archery tag... mossback was there with governor tag holder with a guide sitting on a 460's bull. Was never seen again after the shooter showed up. There was a 413" bull killed on the same hunt with a bow.

[kentrek]

that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS.  The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?

The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets

The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care

[bearpaw]

that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS.  The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?

The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets

The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care

 
kentrek those are all very good points. I've made the mistake of assuming things too many times and sometimes I still do it, not on purpose, its just unfortunately happens sometimes, and when I find out something I didn't know that greatly changes the circumstances I usually regret my earlier assumptions. The reality is that unless you know the actual story and all the circumstances involved its really hard to make a fair judgement of anything and then is it actually right for us to judge others based on our personal beliefs?

There have been a lot of assumptions and judgements made regarding Casey Brooks, but only a few responses by people who know him, a few positive and at least one negative comment by someone who met the guy. That's literally all most of us know about the man and yet he has been painted as the enemy of hunters. Is that the fair and proper way to be? I don't know, but it appears to me there likely has been unfair treatment of this man's reputation with very little actually known about the man or the hunt. He has been bashed for being successful and wealthy, he has been bashed for spending a ton of money to hunt what some people say is too many animals, and he has been bashed for not earning that bull, I have to say this has the appearance of jealousy! I'm sorry that I made that assumption, but I've got to say, it really looks that way!

How many of you guys have killed more than 5 deer or large numbers of any animal? Is that being greedy? It has been stated that Casey Brooks hunts multiple states to take his many elk and sheep, I'm going to assume all legally, or I'm sure that would all catch up pretty quickly if it wasn't. So on the surface yes, it again appears there is a lot of jealousy! And again I am assuming that, but I have to tell you, that is the way it appears when you put it in perspective with the fact that some guys are so successful at deer hunting, coyote hunting, waterfowl hunting, or whatever is their passion!

[NOCK NOCK]

that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS.  The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?

The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets

The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care

Said I was out but just cant help myself. 

You start your post with "Assumptions" WE are making, then you fill it with your own assumptions and say we are wrong for doing it. 

I do know who is listed in sheep records, and how many times.
I do know how many folks whose life dream is to shoot just 1 sheep.
I do know the meaning of Jealosuy (I'm not... AT ALL)
I do know the meaning of greed.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

I've stated Mr Brooks is most likely a good dude, not trying to attack him. Just my opinion on how I see it.


**Thanks trophyhunt, you get it 

[Ghost Hunter]

How many Slams, Grand Slams, Super Slams of North American big game are recognized and promoted in this country?  Aren't they recognized and supported by B&C, P&Y, etc.?  Do they fit in the NAMWC principles?  If a person has the resources is that unethical?  Seems a hunter would have to shoot a lot of animals to successfully reach those goals.  I don't know Mr. Brooks or what his goals are.  He certainly has accomplished a lot.  I commend him.  I doubt blowing up HW was one of his goals.  Just sharing some thoughts.

[HUNTIN4SIX]

Of course people are going to make assumptions, especially without a story?  Doesn't a record book bull deserve a record book story?  Several have said, Mr Brooks doesn't have to tell the story...Why the heck not?  He doesn't want people to say bad things?  Well unfortunately they already have.  When we set ourselves up to have our name in a public record book folks naturally like to hear about the hunt, right?  I have no skin in the game on this, just see a few comments on here being spun as overly negative simply over questioning of lack in info.
 
Not the same...but I think if I caught a record book bass lets say and said, It was caught at "no tell em" lake, on "no tell em" bait, with "no tell em" story.
Then blasted it all over social media, everyone would speculate.  Some might even say I grew it with unnatural feed? 

 

[fishngamereaper]

This thread is tame compared to the dozens of others out there with the same 50/50 ish split on opinions.

Reality is his kid didn't do him any favors. I'm sure he's proud and meant well. But the story lacked context and painted a scenario that was quickly questioned in the days following with living pics. Was this Bullwinkle 2.0....

If people don't have the whole story they are left to fill in the blanks with what information they have.
Don't know Casey so not judging him..
It's a great bull....
A story would be cool....or not I guess.

[boneaddict]

This same story unfolded about a year or maybe it was two on a deer down in Oregon.   Same hunter.  It just didn’t have the ramifications as the world record bull, and it didn’t have the help of his son to flame the controversy.  He didn’t do his dad any favors for sure.   There were a lot of real pissed off people in the neighborhood where he killed the deer.  Not my type of hunt.  It was a beautiful animal.  I’m sure it looks good on his wall.
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag.  Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get.   Doesn’t seem like it anymore.  Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either. 

[JakeLand]

If you actually read his sons “ story “ did he lie or fabricate about anything? No I don’t see anything pointing to any misleading of how this bull was killed at least from what I’ve read . Me personally if my funds allowed I’d have a wall stacked just like his

[HUNTIN4SIX]

If you actually read his sons “ story “ did he lie or fabricate about anything? No I don’t see anything pointing to any misleading of how this bull was killed at least from what I’ve read . Me personally if my funds allowed I’d have a wall stacked just like his

Did someone say he lied, fabricated or misled?

[kentrek]

that’s not at all how I see it from knock, he makes a lot of sense and is mostly pointing out that the “jealousy” word in this piticular thread is BS.  The hunters son tried to paint a different picture of the hunt, why?

The reason everyone calls you guys jealous is because your making assumtions...you dont know the story...you dont know how hard he hunted.. you dont know if his son is painting a different picture of the hunt...you dont know the hunter circumstances for health and what he is capable of or not capable of...hows your joints doing as you get older ?? Spring chicken ? Maybe getting into a blind is a huge battle for him after his wreck....you havent walked a mile in his shoes...you dont know what he has or hasnt done for conservation...you dont know if he dumped loads of money for tickets...you dont know if he was hunting for the record beings he was gona hunt this bull prior to it putting on 40+ inches...nobody can plan for that...nobody expects a bull to blow up into a world record so they put a million $ into raffle tickets

The only things you guys know is theres a few photos of the bull in peoples yards and then what caseys kid has posted....but here you are...upset....and agian like bear paw noted....if the bull was 90 inchea smaller not a single one of you would care

Said I was out but just cant help myself. 

You start your post with "Assumptions" WE are making, then you fill it with your own assumptions and say we are wrong for doing it. 

Am i wrong for assuming an old man that was in a wreck could be struggling physicaly ? Or should i just look down at him and say that he supposed to be a backcountry warrior... its your life... you can chose to make negative assumtions or be open to the realitys of life

[NOCK NOCK]

All of your "You dont's" are all assumptions, not just the wreck/struggling thing.

Unless you are inside my head, YOU are assuming I dont know those things. FWIW some I do, some I dont.

Sorry just pointing out basic stuff here.