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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #435 on: January 16, 2025, 06:00:56 PM »
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en

My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back.  She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally.  They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it.  She said:  No, we want to make a hunt of it. 

Her late son finally drew that tag last year.  He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull.  He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs. 

Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless.  They could have had they accepted the offers. 

My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally.  He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD.  Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler.  He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on.  He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days.  Didn’t fill the tag. 

Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it. 

What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light. 

What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.”  In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with.  Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general. 

Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel. 
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."  The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Ronny Jenkins is my grandfather in law.  Great hunter and Good taxidermy when he was in his prime.


Heck of a nice guy.  My cousin Tom guided for JJJ Wilderness Outfitting and Ray McNutt Outfitting and was close to Ron.  I try and stop by his house when I’m in Augusta, he’s not down at the shop much. 

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #438 on: January 16, 2025, 08:37:30 PM »
That is funny!!
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #440 on: January 16, 2025, 09:59:34 PM »
Got a laugh, can’t believe this thread is still going. Really don’t get the issue here, man see a bull, man kills bull. Why does anyone care how it happened if it was legal?

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #441 on: January 17, 2025, 12:44:49 AM »
This is an article about my good friend Jim Tonkin’s sheep hunt:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19910922&id=gENWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mOoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6525,5192645&hl=en

My cousin’s wife drew a Slippery Ann tag a while back.  She grew up in Winnett and knows every inch of that Unit and everyone who ranches in Philips County personally.  They were out hunting and got a call saying the massive seven point bull was next to the hay shed if she wanted to shoot it.  She said:  No, we want to make a hunt of it. 

Her late son finally drew that tag last year.  He had stage four cancer and could have just waited for a phone call and then gone and shot a way up in the record book bull.  He turned down the opportunity and they hunted from the truck and ORVs. 

Both got really respectable bulls, but not the top record book bulls, but monsters nonetheless.  They could have had they accepted the offers. 

My good friend drew an Elkhorn tag two years ago, finally.  He is in his 80’s and suffered from COPD.  Had offers to shoot elk on ranches the hands had spotted and could have taken him right to on a four wheeler.  He thanked them, but said he came to hunt, not shoot an elk someone else had done the work on.  He could only hunt for half a day out of every three days.  Didn’t fill the tag. 

Ronny Jenkins who knows more about sheep and hunting all over the world than practically anyone told me that without a doubt Jim, who is the hunter in the story linked to above would have shot the number one ram if he had not insisted on making a hunt out of it. 

What I object to, and vehemently and unabashedly so, is others who claim that I have no right to hold and express the opinion that others who would have not only jumped at the opportunity to take a bigger animal, they would have financially compensated anyone who enabled them in doing so, don’t belong in the same class and/or that their achievement deserves to be viewed in the same light. 

What I also have a big problem with is the proposition “We all need to stick together.”  In the first place I don’t care to have the royal we lump me in with individuals who I do not care to be associated with.  Irrespective of claims by others who I recognize as having standards I find beneath me, whenever that statement has been brought up, more likely than not, it impresses me as being brought up out of concern for excusing questionable conduct than out of any concern for what is in the best interest of the sport of hunting in general. 

Whenever I have heard it, I’m immediately reminded of the words of Samuel Johnson regarding the last refuge of a scoundrel. 
In 1774, Samuel Johnson printed The Patriot, a critique of what he viewed as false patriotism. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."  The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham (the patriot minister) and his supporters. Johnson opposed most "self-professed patriots" in general but valued what he considered "true" patriotism.
Ronny Jenkins is my grandfather in law.  Great hunter and Good taxidermy when he was in his prime.


Heck of a nice guy.  My cousin Tom guided for JJJ Wilderness Outfitting and Ray McNutt Outfitting and was close to Ron.  I try and stop by his house when I’m in Augusta, he’s not down at the shop much.

I guided up and down the front, amazing area.  Yup Ron has slowed down alot...sad.  Not sure he is still doing taxidermy.  Heard a random podcast with him telling stories the other day, I hadn't heard some of them.  Sounded like a recent interview.  He's got some history for sure....

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #443 on: January 17, 2025, 08:00:09 AM »
What's Ron and the sheep hunt got to do with anything? What's happening here?

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #444 on: January 17, 2025, 08:11:00 AM »
This same story unfolded about a year or maybe it was two on a deer down in Oregon.   Same hunter.  It just didn’t have the ramifications as the world record bull, and it didn’t have the help of his son to flame the controversy.  He didn’t do his dad any favors for sure.   There were a lot of real pissed off people in the neighborhood where he killed the deer.  Not my type of hunt.  It was a beautiful animal.  I’m sure it looks good on his wall.
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag.  Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get.   Doesn’t seem like it anymore.  Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either.
Not sure if this was it - Casey with his Sisters Oregon buck 2023


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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #445 on: January 17, 2025, 08:12:03 AM »
What's Ron and the sheep hunt got to do with anything? What's happening here?

 :dunno:  All part of the spider web... :chuckle:

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #446 on: January 17, 2025, 08:25:16 AM »
Different buck Magnum.   Thats a doozy though

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #447 on: January 19, 2025, 08:30:39 AM »
This same story unfolded about a year or maybe it was two on a deer down in Oregon.   Same hunter.  It just didn’t have the ramifications as the world record bull, and it didn’t have the help of his son to flame the controversy.  He didn’t do his dad any favors for sure.   There were a lot of real pissed off people in the neighborhood where he killed the deer.  Not my type of hunt.  It was a beautiful animal.  I’m sure it looks good on his wall.
I’m curious if this would have less heat if it was theauction tag versus the raffle tag.  Raffle tags were often thought of something the common guy could get.   Doesn’t seem like it anymore.  Jealous no, I don’t waste my money on raffle tags either.
I’m not positive we’re thinking of the same deer, but I think we are. If we are, I’m also 99% sure Casey didn’t kill that buck. 
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #448 on: January 19, 2025, 10:13:51 AM »
The Oregon neighborhood buck, the pic was taken a year before the kill.  I have no reason to think anything illegal happened, just heard people were not happy about it. 
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Possible record bull?
« Reply #449 on: January 19, 2025, 10:20:02 AM »
The Oregon neighborhood buck, the pic was taken a year before the kill.  I have no reason to think anything illegal happened, just heard people were not happy about it.

Oh. That’s a different Oregon neighborhood buck than the one I was thinking about.

This is the one I was thinking about. The hunt/kill was guided by Sheep Mountain Outfitters. Can’t find a harvest pic but this is the buck.



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