Post by: time2hunt on July 20, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
Post by: time2hunt on July 20, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on July 20, 2011, 11:45:40 AM
Post by: time2hunt on July 20, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 20, 2011, 11:56:19 AM
thats like some sort of awful tease right there......
gotta go squeegee the drool off my keyboard now......
Post by: jstone on July 20, 2011, 11:57:56 AM
Post by: Elkslayer on July 20, 2011, 12:00:54 PM
There have been some real monsters posted on this site the last couple of years from Hanford. I wonder what happens to there sheds? Is any one allowed to pick them up out there?
Post by: CamoDup on July 20, 2011, 12:03:27 PM
Post by: CamoDup on July 20, 2011, 12:05:54 PM
Those are some nice bulls!
There have been some real monsters posted on this site the last couple of years from Hanford. I wonder what happens to there sheds? Is any one allowed to pick them up out there?
no... if you take anything off the Hanford site you could be facing jail time.. rumor has it they place tags in some of the monsters sheds with tracking devices so they know if they ge picked up... dunno how true it is though. :dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on July 20, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Post by: coachcw on July 20, 2011, 12:21:19 PM
Post by: rtspring on July 20, 2011, 12:28:36 PM
As for hanford gota little story for ya...
About 20 years ago we were hunting my uncles ranch that borders hanford on the west side. These elk would come across the fence at night and you had to catch them on the way back. We ll we caught about 75 of them at a dead run for the fence. there were about 5 hunters and we shot 5 elk, but one of my cousins shot a spike that made it over the fence and laid down. So he (after being told not to several times) put down his rifle and took his pistol only and crawled over the fence. lets jsut say in about 5 mins there were two humvees and a bunch of mad security boys on his butt. They took him and his elk to some security place and took samples of the organs of the elk. He got his elk back and was told never to cross the fence for any reason ever again.
they do come out once in a while, to feed on the hay and such...
Post by: jackmaster on July 20, 2011, 12:29:13 PM
Post by: Elkslayer on July 20, 2011, 12:35:43 PM
I know just the average citizen cant go in there and pick them up, but I dont believe for one minute that some of the security guards or workers dont pick them up. There are some world class elk on that reserve.Those are some nice bulls!
There have been some real monsters posted on this site the last couple of years from Hanford. I wonder what happens to there sheds? Is any one allowed to pick them up out there?
no... if you take anything off the Hanford site you could be facing jail time.. rumor has it they place tags in some of the monsters sheds with tracking devices so they know if they ge picked up... dunno how true it is though. :dunno:
Post by: wsucowboy on July 20, 2011, 01:47:16 PM
Post by: Elkpiss on July 20, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 20, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
In every close up an ear is messed up? God dam those bulls make me hard.. :rockin:
I was getting curious about the ear thing as well? Beautiful bulls! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: trophyhunt on July 20, 2011, 03:10:41 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on July 20, 2011, 03:11:36 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on July 20, 2011, 03:52:18 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 20, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
Having to go change my shirt now.... forgot my drool bucket....
Awesome bulls.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on July 20, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on July 20, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
Heck I never even noticed the missed up ear until you guys mentioned it.In every close up an ear is messed up? God dam those bulls make me hard.. :rockin:
I was getting curious about the ear thing as well? Beautiful bulls! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: mulehunter on July 20, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
Mulehunter. :tup:
Post by: rb2506 on July 20, 2011, 06:16:56 PM
Heck I never even noticed the missed up ear until you guys mentioned it.In every close up an ear is messed up? God dam those bulls make me hard.. :rockin:
I was getting curious about the ear thing as well? Beautiful bulls! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
after looking at the horn porn, yeah the ears are cut up :dunno:
Post by: BENCHLEG on July 20, 2011, 06:37:41 PM
Post by: 400out on July 20, 2011, 07:02:28 PM
It's always bulls but I have seen some of the bucks and would love to see some pics of them :hello: :hello:
Post by: 3dvapor on July 20, 2011, 07:25:42 PM
Post by: bench beast on July 20, 2011, 07:27:02 PM
the pic with the moon is awesome. nice cover shot for a calendar. thanks for sharing :drool: :drool::yeah:
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on July 20, 2011, 08:06:27 PM
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Having to go change my shirt now.... forgot my drool bucket....
Awesome bulls.
Post by: blacktailer on July 20, 2011, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: link on July 20, 2011, 10:43:15 PM
last year some of hanford pictures showed up on monster muleys sight. No matter what you told these guys they wouldnt believe they were washington bulls, guys were constantly speculating as to which unit and state the bulls were from.:yeah:
They either thought the bulls had to be from Utah or they were highfenced, ranch bulls.
Post by: 250savage on July 21, 2011, 07:06:11 AM
Post by: wlandrum on July 21, 2011, 07:46:15 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 21, 2011, 08:40:41 AM
Awesome pictures and thanks for the post. Anyone seen any pics this year of that massive nontypical that was phootgraphed on several occasions last year???
Here he is... he has a son too. :)
Post by: BIGINNER on July 21, 2011, 08:42:53 AM
Awesome pictures and thanks for the post. Anyone seen any pics this year of that massive nontypical that was phootgraphed on several occasions last year???
Here he is... he has a son too. :)
MOAR
Post by: woodywsu on July 21, 2011, 08:51:49 AM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 21, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
Post by: deerdog on July 21, 2011, 08:59:09 AM
Post by: engelwood on July 21, 2011, 09:06:20 AM
Post by: Raul Duke on July 21, 2011, 10:20:43 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on July 21, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
Post by: couesbitten on July 21, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: blacktailer on July 21, 2011, 10:31:56 PM
Post by: huntnnw on July 21, 2011, 11:13:22 PM
Post by: CamoDup on July 21, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
I'll tell you what, I work there, and these bulls are miles from the bordering ranch/farm land. In the rising moon picture, you're looking at the White Bluffs in the background, which is on the Franklin County side of the Columbia River. I'd venture a guess that most of these pics are within 2 miles of the Columbia.
My father in-law that lives is Moxee (about 40 miles west of hanford) said he saw a nice 6x6 on the east ridge of Union Gap grazing about 15 years ago while he was working for WSP. I believe they do wonder off just not too reguarly... If they do your going to pay out the a$$ or be a youth to hunt them.
Post by: Goomsba on July 21, 2011, 11:52:35 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 22, 2011, 06:43:56 AM
I'll tell you what, I work there, and these bulls are miles from the bordering ranch/farm land. In the rising moon picture, you're looking at the White Bluffs in the background, which is on the Franklin County side of the Columbia River. I'd venture a guess that most of these pics are within 2 miles of the Columbia.
I agree, this particular group of elk will most likely never be off the res.
Post by: MtnMuley on July 22, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
Post by: BLUEBULLS on July 22, 2011, 09:58:49 PM
Post by: BIGMIKE on July 23, 2011, 11:02:01 AM
Post by: kbyers on July 23, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
I'll tell you what, I work there, and these bulls are miles from the bordering ranch/farm land. In the rising moon picture, you're looking at the White Bluffs in the background, which is on the Franklin County side of the Columbia River. I'd venture a guess that most of these pics are within 2 miles of the Columbia.
I agree, this particular group of elk will most likely never be off the res.
:yeah:
Post by: manfromspam on July 24, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
Post by: smitty8202 on July 24, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
Post by: manfromspam on July 24, 2011, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: danderson on July 24, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Post by: manfromspam on July 24, 2011, 10:16:53 PM
Post by: danderson on July 24, 2011, 10:32:09 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 25, 2011, 08:10:15 AM
Post by: grundy53 on July 25, 2011, 09:12:47 AM
Post by: manfromspam on July 25, 2011, 05:14:35 PM
Nice looking bulls. How much more growth would you have scene in the racks from May to the end of July?I'm not too sure. i think they would of been alot bigger in the fall . the 6x6 that i shot was still pretty round on all the tops and you could bend and move all the points. had to have the antlers freeze dried .
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
a couple more... from early June.
R.I.P
Mr. Mass
He has been harvested.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 04, 2011, 06:54:50 PM
Was it by a DESERVING SPORTSMAN, or someone who "just shot" him ?
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 07:01:30 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 04, 2011, 07:06:47 PM
A deserving sportsman (IMO) is someone who hunts, not just shoots, I guess what I meant was did they hunt the animal, or just shoot it.
By deserving, I mean someone who worked for it, not just just someone who shot it because they could.
I am curious about the story, is it interesting, or just a matter of fact.
Did not mean anything disrespectful...
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 07:11:05 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 07:12:42 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 07:14:07 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 07:23:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
Post by: CamoDup on October 04, 2011, 07:31:15 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 04, 2011, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: cannon-master on October 04, 2011, 07:54:26 PM
Post by: Tinner on October 04, 2011, 08:07:10 PM
Post by: mulehunter on October 04, 2011, 08:07:55 PM
Mulehunter. :tup:
Post by: Tinner on October 04, 2011, 08:14:26 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 08:21:15 PM
I will post pics when I get more from him, The only one I have is in email form.
huh? :o
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 04, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
Post by: CamoDup on October 04, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 09:45:22 PM
Post by: CamoDup on October 04, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 04, 2011, 09:51:45 PM
Post by: jackmaster on October 05, 2011, 07:08:16 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 05, 2011, 07:41:04 AM
Post by: jager on October 05, 2011, 07:44:30 AM
Any more info on the hunt?
Congrats to the hunter!
Post by: trophyhunt on October 05, 2011, 07:56:52 AM
I have a pic on my phone of a bull that looks similar to mr. mass (I dont think it is the same bull though) that was killed this year buy a guy that bought a landowner tag. It was on private land at butts up to the Hanford site. I do not know a whole lot of the hunt itself. I cant get it off my phone but if someone wants to shoot me a pm and I will send it in a text for it to be posted. All I ask is that you edit it WITHOUT this person in it.Why would he not want his pic in with the elk?? That just makes me wonder what's up? How can people buy landowner tags? I've never heard of that before, it leaves a lot for speculation.
Post by: Huntboy on October 05, 2011, 08:09:03 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 08:17:18 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 05, 2011, 08:19:22 AM
Post by: O_mykiss on October 05, 2011, 08:23:19 AM
However, everything is for sale these days, so :dunno:
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 08:26:02 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 08:36:21 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 08:38:41 AM
I believe in genetic similarities, but this had got to be him. I agree, he went downhill this year, but still an amazing bull in any state.
It's not the same bull.
Post by: wastickslinger on October 05, 2011, 08:46:45 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 05, 2011, 08:49:55 AM
This goes to show how far removed we are from what goes on in society. Farmers typically governed by a govt agency called the USDA often have damage done by wildlife in many states in everything from crop damages to predator damages. Many farmers can legally whack a predator that is killing stock this means not just coyotes but bears, cats etc and it doesn't require it to be only in season. Same with crop damages .... USDA or farm service and the state agency that deals with game so here that is wdfw work together to issue these "tags" or hunts or culling operations whatever you wanna call em....sometimes they involve master hunters and sometimes not...
WDFW is not exactly the be all end all in how wildlife is handled when it messes with private property, just like its not the only agency regulating firearms....I am always amazed when hear people say these situations are fishy nothing fishy at all a farmer had damage and went to farm service to deal with it :dunno: they use tags, I've seen hazing, but farmers do get to protect their investment just like any other business/property owner :dunno:
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 08:53:49 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 08:54:32 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 09:15:09 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 09:18:08 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on October 05, 2011, 09:35:22 AM
Post by: woodywsu on October 05, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
Crazy how similar they are.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 05, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
Post by: buckmaster_wa on October 05, 2011, 09:57:12 AM
Post by: wastickslinger on October 05, 2011, 10:02:49 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 05, 2011, 10:02:57 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 10:11:09 AM
Why are the Hanford Bulls allways in velvet, I've seen a lot of pic over the years of Hanford bulls but always in velvet, why?? :dunno:
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ENOUGH PICS ;) :tup:
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 05, 2011, 10:20:40 AM
Post by: Elkstalker on October 05, 2011, 10:30:36 AM
Post by: woodywsu on October 05, 2011, 10:32:10 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 10:36:33 AM
I'm one of the fortunate people to have a Hanford bull hanging at my house he is a 380 inch bull named Brutus. He was radio collared that's were the name comes from
I remember stories of Brutus , I beleive they had a bunch of sheds from him too!!
Post by: rambohunter13 on October 05, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 11:36:13 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
I have pretty extensive pic library of the Hanford bulls and have never seen the bull in the picture before, doesn't mean it isn't a Hanford bull, but those are dark horns for this area. I have seen the non typical bull in the other pictures recently that isn't him. Anyone can hunt the surrounding ranches if you have the money. Between 3-5 thousand per tag. The tags normally sell a year in advanced so probably to late for next year already.
PLEASE SHARE :) :) :drool:
Post by: CamoDup on October 05, 2011, 11:50:24 AM
Post by: kirkl on October 05, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
http://www.huntfishnw.com/index.php?topic=6853.msg69966#msg69966 (http://www.huntfishnw.com/index.php?topic=6853.msg69966#msg69966)
Post by: wastickslinger on October 05, 2011, 12:06:19 PM
Post by: rambohunter13 on October 05, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 01:02:58 PM
For sure not same bull. The linked one looks like it could be him. ( loud cough) poached
Pretty bold accusation, do you have any evidence of this or is this just speculation on your part?
Post by: rambohunter13 on October 05, 2011, 01:18:42 PM
Post by: remington300mag on October 05, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 05, 2011, 01:29:01 PM
I'm one of the fortunate people to have a Hanford bull hanging at my house he is a 380 inch bull named Brutus. He was radio collared that's were the name comes from
I heard about Brutus. Did you work on Hanford and have mounted some sheds? I been told a Biologist named him and was monitoring him for years...?
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 05, 2011, 01:33:06 PM
Speculation, not saying cows don't fly, but never seen one. He was in a spot you could get to him but unit not open. Unit isn't open and it is 24 days early for rifle. I asked game warden if i could shoot him tgree weeks ago he said it was a no go. If they got him on ranch more power to em. Doubt it happened. Picture two looks like at boat launch. I know some people who can look for the kill sight where he has been. I guess you are right hopefully he went thirty miles this week and got whacked. Time will tell if he was shot legit it will come out fast, I doubt the wanna be wardens around here will figure it out but sportsmen will.
:yeah:
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 01:34:27 PM
Wasn't there a guy on here before that got his hands on some land owner tags down around there somewhere?? I thought he posted pictures of some bulls harvested with those tags?? Could it be the same guy??
Yes hes still here and an active member. Im not gonna mame anyone, but I'm pretty site he will pop up here soon
Post by: Caseyd on October 05, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 01:57:26 PM
:stirthepot:
STOPPIT!!!!!!!
Post by: boneaddict on October 05, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Post by: time2hunt on October 05, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 05, 2011, 04:28:21 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 05, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Post by: time2hunt on October 05, 2011, 04:38:33 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 05:48:08 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 06:00:54 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 06:10:28 PM
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Here is a picture of that bull within the last three weeks. Crappy picture cuz on a phone but it is him. He is in a spot with no hunting.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on October 05, 2011, 06:11:39 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 06:13:47 PM
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This guy tried to go across 240 Sunday morning. The driver was ok but the elk and truck were not.
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 06:16:31 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 05, 2011, 06:19:51 PM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
Post by: time2hunt on October 05, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: rambohunter13 on October 05, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
Post by: blacktailer on October 05, 2011, 08:12:26 PM
Isnt that the big typ[ical that was pictured with Mr Mass in velvet that looked monsterouse??/ Too bad he got hit.
Good call Charlie. It looks like the same bull. Look at his left G-5 how it is blunt at the tip and the end of the main beam (6th point) has the same curvature to it. Real shame someone couldn't have hung their tag on it; someone like me...
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
Post by: Basket Rack on October 05, 2011, 09:10:14 PM
Is the lead bull in the second pic a 7x1, I do not know all the rules for a spike only unit but wouldn't he be legal??
Post by: MtnMuley on October 05, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 05, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
That is a shame, I hate to see anything get hit by a car.
Is the lead bull in the second pic a 7x1, I do not know all the rules for a spike only unit but wouldn't he be legal??
It's an any elk unit
Post by: flinger on October 05, 2011, 10:15:34 PM
Officially known as MELVIN JR.a couple more... from early June.
R.I.P
Mr. Mass
He has been harvested.
predasessor to melvin sr
These genes are very deep in the hanford herd they will be growing like this for years to come
Post by: njc89 on October 05, 2011, 10:46:00 PM
By the way, I don't know what radiation levels are around there. But I am really no more worried about eating the meat than I would be with eating the wheat, apples, grapes, hops, etc. being grown in the area.
Post by: flinger on October 05, 2011, 10:47:29 PM
Post by: bucklucky on October 05, 2011, 11:26:43 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 06, 2011, 06:41:16 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 06, 2011, 06:45:27 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 06, 2011, 06:46:17 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on October 06, 2011, 07:07:01 AM
Post by: njc89 on October 06, 2011, 07:45:52 AM
I would like to know the story on the big non-typical in the earlier picture (Page 7). The damage control permits that I saw were only good for a cow or spike, and only good on a specific farmer's property. Other than the 2 disabled tags, and a few youth hunts, we were not able to find any other big bull opportunities at this time in the season. Does anyone know what the real story is here? Thanks
Post by: jager on October 06, 2011, 07:53:05 AM
Really sucks about the big typical getting hit by the car! What a shame..
Post by: groundhog on October 06, 2011, 07:58:17 AM
Post by: Maverick on October 06, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
Post by: Elkstalker on October 06, 2011, 11:42:55 AM
Post by: crazyantler on October 06, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 06, 2011, 01:02:56 PM
To answer a few questions about Brutus. My father shot him and years later I paid for the mount so he gave me Brutus and his collar. So no I don't know you sundance. My last name is bishop if that helps. To answer Austrian hunter he was an actual bull that was shot on Roberts ranch. Not a set of sheds that was mounted. Also the biologists studied him for 8 years and they still have all his sheds
Cool! Thank you for the clarification! Can we see a pic of Brutus mounted?
Post by: Elkstalker on October 06, 2011, 01:18:11 PM
Post by: Caseyd on October 06, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
Post by: Band on October 06, 2011, 02:50:20 PM
I do have pics of him now and when he was alive that the biologists gave my dad.Brutus is the bull that was killed in the 80's, correct? I remember reading a story about him in a hunting magazine years ago. Do you know what the rack scores?
Post by: 400out on October 06, 2011, 03:06:03 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 06, 2011, 03:30:43 PM
I do have pics of him now and when he was alive that the biologists gave my dad. Problem is I'm new to this foreum and I'm not sure how to post them yet
PM sent.
This is Austrian Hunter, email them to me and I post them for you!
Post by: hunterrcc on October 06, 2011, 10:00:37 PM
Ok so Mr. Mass or Melvin Jr was obviously one hell of a bull. We have lots of pictures now so I want to hear what you all think he will score.489" just a good educated guess!!
Post by: couesbitten on October 07, 2011, 07:59:18 AM
I do have pics of him now and when he was alive that the biologists gave my dad. Problem is I'm new to this foreum and I'm not sure how to post them yet
You can email them to me, and I'll post tehm for you. If I remember correctly, my dad helped your dad pack that bull back to the truck, and then the rack wouldn't fit in the truck bed with a canopy on it. This is Scott R.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 07, 2011, 08:54:45 AM
Awesome Bull. BRUTUS.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 07, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 07, 2011, 09:01:26 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 07, 2011, 09:22:01 AM
Post by: Gobble Gobble on October 07, 2011, 11:09:09 AM
Those that told me asked I post this to start another lynch mob. I guess they are a bit upset that members of the tribe are now looking to shoot more trophies that are off limits to us white folk. I'm just a messenger of bad news don't stone me.
Post by: BIGINNER on October 07, 2011, 11:12:49 AM
I was showing some of the guys at work this thread yesterday and when I came into work today they told me a couple Yakima's killed 2 bulls on Hanford sometime yesterday and that they were headed out with a boat today to try and get some deer on the islands in the river. One of the guys I work with is Colville and in touch with several of the Yakima's the other is former Forest service and in touch with the tribe as well. A third has friends on Hanford Patrol and confirmed it and that they got away. Was even told the tribe said they would pay for the lawyer is they were caught shooting game on Hanford.
Those that told me asked I post this to start another lynch mob. I guess they are a bit upset that members of the tribe are now looking to shoot more trophies that are off limits to us white folk. I'm just a messenger of bad news don't stone me.
:devil: :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :devil:
Post by: Gobble Gobble on October 07, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on October 07, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Yes, it is :stirthepot: I admit it but it makes the work environment a little less pissy on my end.
LOL YEP. MAKE THE WEKEND COME FASTER
Post by: bone head on October 07, 2011, 01:59:33 PM
Here's a picture of my dad's bull (the 7x7 referred to earlier). This was taken last week with a disabled permit in the Prosser area. It was the only bull he saw in 5 days. He can't walk very well anymore, so it's a good thing he can still shoot well. It took a 450+ yard shot to get the job done. A BIG THANK YOU goes to a couple fine local gentlemen that helped him take care of the meat, getting it cut up quickly and out of the heat so it didn't spoil.nice bull great job and congrats but look at all that meat on the neck that they didn't mess with?
By the way, I don't know what radiation levels are around there. But I am really no more worried about eating the meat than I would be with eating the wheat, apples, grapes, hops, etc. being grown in the area.
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2011, 02:19:19 PM
Post by: Gobble Gobble on October 07, 2011, 03:10:58 PM
My guess is near Hwy 240 and the bulls were seen hanging in a yard in White Swan last night. I had a long sit down today with one of those who told me the story said it was a friend of his who works in White Swan called him from White Swan last night after seeing the bulls and talking to the Shooters.
He is also former law enforcement and said all they can get them for if caught is trespassing on a restricted access area as Hanford is a part of the ceded land in the treaty and that all state and federal land is not considered owned private land or however it is stated in the treaty. His friend also told him that is why the tribal council or a member of it said they will pay for the lawyer if caught, its ceded land and not privately owned so they can hunt it just like the Yakima Training Center where they hunt all the time. Because of the classified nature of Hanford there is no trespassing in the restricted areas and its these areas they can be arrested if caught in.
Another loop hole for them to exploit big game for their selfish needs. To hunt Hanford has come from the top he said so if you ask me something is going on within the tribe and it sounds like they are going to take full advantage to the treaty and make a statement to all in doing so, all the while with thumb to nose and saying neener neener neener.
Post by: CamoDup on October 07, 2011, 03:19:40 PM
Isn't ALL of the site a restricted area? When a sign is posted of the fences around to area that say "No Trespassing all violators will be prosecuted" doesn't that pertain to everyone? Native or not? :dunno:
Post by: Elkstalker on October 07, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 07, 2011, 04:15:31 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 07, 2011, 05:33:21 PM
Have already had a native PM me asking about specific area they were shot. As he was trying to track the individuals down and put a case against them for the killing. Whatever, I don’t trust them so I didn’t tell them anything.
My guess is near Hwy 240 and the bulls were seen hanging in a yard in White Swan last night. I had a long sit down today with one of those who told me the story said it was a friend of his who works in White Swan called him from White Swan last night after seeing the bulls and talking to the Shooters.
He is also former law enforcement and said all they can get them for if caught is trespassing on a restricted access area as Hanford is a part of the ceded land in the treaty and that all state and federal land is not considered owned private land or however it is stated in the treaty. His friend also told him that is why the tribal council or a member of it said they will pay for the lawyer if caught, its ceded land and not privately owned so they can hunt it just like the Yakima Training Center where they hunt all the time. Because of the classified nature of Hanford there is no trespassing in the restricted areas and its these areas they can be arrested if caught in.
Another loop hole for them to exploit big game for their selfish needs. To hunt Hanford has come from the top he said so if you ask me something is going on within the tribe and it sounds like they are going to take full advantage to the treaty and make a statement to all in doing so, all the while with thumb to nose and saying neener neener neener.
That native you're referring to is me and I didn't say I was bulding a case against them I said I'm trying to find out IF they were harvested illegally then I would refer what info. I have. If they didn't break any laws then so be it but if they did then I'd let the law handle it.
I also have prior law enforcement with the tribe and municipality.
Post by: TheHunt on October 07, 2011, 06:07:35 PM
Post by: Maximus4252626 on October 07, 2011, 06:20:53 PM
C'mon natives; I know your out there. Please reply
Post by: huntnphool on October 07, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2011, 06:45:26 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2011, 06:46:34 PM
Post by: Little Red Wagon on October 07, 2011, 07:48:10 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 07, 2011, 08:08:26 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 07, 2011, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: couesbitten on October 07, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
a brother name schrade
That's him, and it's me. Nice to see the pics of your dad's bull, that thing is a hog. Good luck this year.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 07, 2011, 11:14:22 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 08, 2011, 01:17:48 AM
wow
I see this one being locked up soon.....
Post by: CoryTDF on October 08, 2011, 06:58:49 AM
*banned username*,
If I where to write a post such as your last one in which the first sentence not only sets a negative tone but also singles out a certain group of people in what is sure to be a negative rant you would be upset. I'm sure someplace in your rant you have a good message but your anger makes you sound ignorant and your message is lost to those who might have otherwise tried to understand you. Myself, a white Irish American, also has a long list of things that I could complain about. My people where treated as dogs in this country when we arrived. We where slaves treated with as much respect as Africans. Ever wonder how so many African Americans have Irish last names??? That was 150 years ago! It is a different world. You stated that you are educated and I believe that. However as an educated person you should know better than to single out groups of people and make wild and inaccurate generalizations about them. I wrote a paper on conservation and how Sportsmen are the leaders in wildlife conservation. I'll send it to you if you would like. You might be interested to see how much us Europeans, Africans, Natives, Asains, ect.... have done to save our country's wildlife.
Point is we are all entitled to a good life and we all deserve to share, respect, preserve and use this land.
Post by: Raul Duke on October 08, 2011, 07:03:35 AM
Well I contacted my White Swan source today and he told me that it was the Wheelers (suprize suprize) that did the shooting. They have taken about 6 bulls in the last two weeks out there and he also told me they were cruizing the river today to kill some bucks! Yakama's finest hard at work trying to wipe out a gene pool all in one year. Very impressive! My source is also always spot on when it comes to this stuff.
:yike: 6
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 08, 2011, 07:36:02 AM
Post by: colockumelk on October 08, 2011, 07:52:07 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 08, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
Quote
Pretty interesting since last night. Well my source said the wheelers had only harvested 2 bulls the other weekend and Mr. Mass wasn't one of them, he was by different Yakama. Again if they harvested them in a certain area legall, than nothing can be done and their exercising their rights.
Treaties and "non treaty" land, rights etc have been a hot issue before and will continue to be until we all decide to work together. Much of the fuel to that fire is laying in front of us as a prime example. The frustrating part is that when WDFW or even Plateau (in this case) dig into it and we are told, "Yep, their right, nothing can be done". I don't think anyone had the intention of removing the natives way of living off the land. It is just hard for me to believe that killing these hanford bulls falls into that category. While I realize it does in the eyes of the law.....I just see it as extremely perverted.
Post by: bearpaw on October 08, 2011, 08:53:02 AM
hunterrcc has been sent his only warning regarding the comments he made. Next time his username, IP address, and email address will be permanently banned from this forum.
I have zero tolerance for uncivilized comments of the nature made by these two, that is the quickest way to be banned from this forum permanently. I think tribal issues need to be discussed and we have numerous members from both sides who engage in decent and civil discussion. Anyone who steps to a lesser level will be warned and then banned if they cannot clean it up.
When any of you see such nonsense please report it.
Thanks Much, Dale
Post by: bucklucky on October 08, 2011, 08:55:13 AM
Post by: mulehunter on October 08, 2011, 09:06:18 AM
Mulehunter. :chuckle: (joke)
Post by: Mark B on October 08, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: Maverick on October 08, 2011, 10:11:06 AM
Post by: hunterrcc on October 08, 2011, 12:12:13 PM
What bull. And taken by the Indians. Well when someone decides to fight these treaties and put the natives in place and set some rules let me know because is love to join the cause. Purty sure I'm not the only one...
Post by: bucksnort on October 08, 2011, 12:19:00 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 08, 2011, 01:30:52 PM
I am curious as to who the wheelers are. Maybe I have been under a rock or something. I would like to see the tribes start to back up there talk with some action. If they were really serious about wanting to be a partner in this they would take away the rights of those caught doing these thing and get some great P.R. at the same time. I realize they have their rights and that is a fact of life to be dealt with until we can all sit down and do whats right for all concerned. I am a member of a tribe that is not federally recognized so I see things a little differently than most since I have Indian heritage but no rights. :twocents:
Mr. Wheeler is an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation who is a successful business owner who owns multiple businesses and in particular Wheeler Logging Co. And King Mountain Cigarettes for example.
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 08, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
I am curious as to who the wheelers are. Maybe I have been under a rock or something. I would like to see the tribes start to back up there talk with some action. If they were really serious about wanting to be a partner in this they would take away the rights of those caught doing these thing and get some great P.R. at the same time. I realize they have their rights and that is a fact of life to be dealt with until we can all sit down and do whats right for all concerned. I am a member of a tribe that is not federally recognized so I see things a little differently than most since I have Indian heritage but no rights. :twocents:
Mr. Wheeler is an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation who is a successful business owner who owns multiple businesses and in particular Wheeler Logging Co. And King Mountain Cigarettes for example.
And they kill multiple big bulls year round...
Post by: ribka on October 08, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from:
link=topic=79939.msg1061365#msg1061365 date=1318101540I am curious as to who the wheelers are. Maybe I have been under a rock or something. I would like to see the tribes start to back up there talk with some action. If they were really serious about wanting to be a partner in this they would take away the rights of those caught doing these thing and get some great P.R. at the same time. I realize they have their rights and that is a fact of life to be dealt with until we can all sit down and do whats right for all concerned. I am a member of a tribe that is not federally recognized so I see things a little differently than most since I have Indian heritage but no rights. :twocents:
Mr. Wheeler is an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation who is a successful business owner who owns multiple businesses and in particular Wheeler Logging Co. And King Mountain Cigarettes for example.
I think he is experiencing some legal issues now due to his questionable business conduct:
http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2011/2/16/feds-raid-tobacco-company-on-reservation (http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2011/2/16/feds-raid-tobacco-company-on-reservation)
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 08, 2011, 02:09:18 PM
Isnt that the big typ[ical that was pictured with Mr Mass in velvet that looked monsterouse??/ Too bad he got hit.
Good call Charlie. It looks like the same bull. Look at his left G-5 how it is blunt at the tip and the end of the main beam (6th point) has the same curvature to it. Real shame someone couldn't have hung their tag on it; someone like me...
Or better yet it could have been another Sovereign nation kill :bash:
Post by: Little Red Wagon on October 08, 2011, 02:45:54 PM
hows that excursion on gas? and how many bulls have you shot on hanford?
Post by: hunterofelk on October 08, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 08, 2011, 08:27:11 PM
PlateauNDN
hows that excursion on gas? and how many bulls have you shot on hanford?
Sorry wagon but I don't own a ford nor ever will I'm a chevy and kind of a dodge man. I haven't harvested any bulls on or near hanford mostly in wenas to klickitat meadows. I do know that either YakNDN is either the one that shot Mr. Mass or is very close to the boy. I've seen the huntnfishnw plus seen a facebook and know the boy holding the antlers with the excursion in the background. So either YakNDN is putting on a front about who he is or he is the person that shot Mr. Mass. Either way I could care less about the boywhos holding the antlers because he's no different than the other "hunter" that has slaughtered bulls from the colockum, about 7 bulls in 2 years I believe? Everybody should know who I'm referring to.
Post by: huntnphool on October 08, 2011, 08:36:18 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 08, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 08, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Post by: danderson on October 08, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 08, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on October 08, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on October 08, 2011, 09:30:05 PM
Heres what i think.... Everyone who see's these big bulls in a area where us normal hunters can never hunt should keep our mouths shut and not run home to the internet to post a pic or tell the world about it. All these guys have to do is see a picture and get some info and decide mhmm, Maybe i'll go shoot that bull. I swear to god These hunting forums can be very cool and informative and a great place to share but they can also be destructive. :twocents:
Personally I enjoy the pics that get posted up of these big bulls. I wouldnt otherwise have seen pics of Mr. Mass alive or any of these other studs if not for them. I enjoy any and all pics of big bulls, i even love going to NW Trek just to see em :chuckle:, big horns are big horns.
And I appreciate the folks that post em up and have shared these pics. It honestly never occured to me to attempt to harvest any of these bulls, as I was under the impression that access was extremely difficult if not impossible and the bulls were essentially "reserve" bulls. And nothing from this thread has changed my mind.
Post by: huntnphool on October 08, 2011, 10:56:51 PM
Phool knows how good excursions are on gas. :chuckle:
Actually I know how good they are on "fuel", mine is a diesel. ;)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 09, 2011, 08:30:38 AM
Post by: Legacy on October 09, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 09, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
I remain amazed at how our tribes here in the Pacific NW (Yakama, Mucklehoots, etc) are so different that tribes in the SW (White Mtn, San Carlos, Acoma, Jicarilla, Navajo, Jualapai, Havasupi, etc). There, they understand the importance of managing their elk and their reservation wildlife for multiple use...not only for tribal food sustenance but also for the ability to generate income for their tribe through the sale of a limited number of tags which gives non-tribal member hunters an opportunity to purchase limited and exclusive tags and the treasured chance to harvest large, quality elk, deer, bear, antelope, mtn lions, etc. in limited numbers. Here, and when it comes to elk, alot of these posts lead me to the conclusion that our tribes seem to have confused a treaty right with a license to slaughter whatever, whenever and wherever they want (including closed areas like the Hanford Reservation), almost rubbing all non-tribal hunters' noses in it in their quest for killing what seems to be just for sake of killing.
Excellent post
It really is sad to hear stories of all the big bulls getting slaughtered for no other reason than the antlers and because the indians can. I was able to harvest my first branched antlered bull this year after 10 years of applying. It is a good 6x6 but nowhere near the size of the bulls these indians are killing.
And let me tell you what, I worked my ass off for 2 months scouting and hunted hard for 6 days to finally harvest my bull so I can actually appreciate the set of antlers I have sitting in my house.
Post by: TheHunt on October 09, 2011, 07:27:32 PM
Post by: 400out on October 09, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
Post by: njc89 on October 09, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
njc glad you posted pics of your dad's bull. Couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow. :tup: Has he scored him yet? Even with the relatively short fronts he has to go well over 350... :dunno:
If I did it right, he grossed out at 348. Before this bull neither of us ever even thought about scoring an animal.
Post by: groundhog on October 10, 2011, 07:02:00 AM
The new trend though is for them to shoot the biggest bulls and bucks they can find and then sell the antlers for big money. There is a difference between subsistence fishing and commercial fishing just as there is a difference between subsistence hunting and commercial hunting. I think if it went to court we would find that Native Americans do not have the right to sell any part of an animal that was taken through their Treaty rights. If they couldn't sell the antlers I think most would choose to shoot younger better eating animals.
Post by: Gringo31 on October 10, 2011, 07:07:22 AM
Post by: groundhog on October 10, 2011, 07:46:45 AM
Read my post. I have a problem with them selling any of our fish or wildlife that was harvested under subsistence. Unless it was commercially harvested with the proper documentation they should not be able to sell it.
Post by: colockumelk on October 10, 2011, 08:28:04 AM
I would love it if the tribes and the WDFW would crack down on this but I think the gang issue and meth is a bigger issue in Yakima County than illegal meat trade.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 10, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
Why am I either the one who shot it or am putting on a front. You saw a facebook pic so you must have shot it or are very close to whoever did. lol Im not putting on a front if I shot it I would be sporting that s**t all over it looks like a monster to me.PlateauNDN
hows that excursion on gas? and how many bulls have you shot on hanford?
Sorry wagon but I don't own a ford nor ever will I'm a chevy and kind of a dodge man. I haven't harvested any bulls on or near hanford mostly in wenas to klickitat meadows. I do know that either YakNDN is either the one that shot Mr. Mass or is very close to the boy. I've seen the huntnfishnw plus seen a facebook and know the boy holding the antlers with the excursion in the background. So either YakNDN is putting on a front about who he is or he is the person that shot Mr. Mass. Either way I could care less about the boywhos holding the antlers because he's no different than the other "hunter" that has slaughtered bulls from the colockum, about 7 bulls in 2 years I believe? Everybody should know who I'm referring to.
And Bone trust me im thinking of going I cant let two family's and the non-tribal hunters kill out all the big hanford bulls. And trust me I have looked at them Through my scope but they were on Hanford and wouldn't cross. (I just want one)
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 08:51:42 AM
They are not allowed to sell any part of the elk or deer for monetary profit. Does it happen yes it does. But if they are caught then they are in trouble. As far as fish goes I think the same thing goes unless they jave a license to do so. Not sure though. Plateau would be the one to ask.
I would love it if the tribes and the WDFW would crack down on this but I think the gang issue and meth is a bigger issue in Yakima County than illegal meat trade.
Dude,, have you looked on EBAY? :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
They can be pretty brazen....
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 10, 2011, 08:54:05 AM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 10, 2011, 08:55:57 AM
Anybody can sell antlers. I have never sold any.But only a certain few indians kill strictly for the fact that there going to sell them...china pays well I hear
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
They are not allowed to sell any part of the elk or deer for monetary profit. Does it happen yes it does. But if they are caught then they are in trouble. As far as fish goes I think the same thing goes unless they jave a license to do so. Not sure though. Plateau would be the one to ask.
I would love it if the tribes and the WDFW would crack down on this but I think the gang issue and meth is a bigger issue in Yakima County than illegal meat trade.
Right once again colockum. We are not allowed to sell, barter or trade any part of an animal that we have harvested for monetary profit. We can however give it away in certain cirmcumstances such as if a relative of mine shot an elk or deer and he was offered assistance packing it out by non-tribal members and he gave them part of the kill for helping him out that wouldn't be a problem.
But if they go out and harvest then give the whole kill away and kept the antlers then that is not subsistence and considered illegal. I'm the primary hunter/gatherer for my family (i.e. wife/kids, mother-in-laws household, my parents and my grandmother) so I share a portion of my kill with only them and some steaks here and there with close friends but majority of the kill is kept within.
As far as fishing you need to have a permit issued by the Tribe to sell commercially. If your catch is from rod and reel or dip net then no you don't need one as far as I know. Again everything I catch stays internal and follows the same as above.
I don't care about antler size so you're not going to see me chancing it running down to the Hanford area just to say I got a bull that hasn't known predatation and just stands around while you basically walk up to it and shoot it. As far as I'm concerned that's like going to the zoo and shooting something.
I would rather put all the elements to the test and teach my boys how to actually hunt in the mountains then the open plains but, that's just me. I know the animal I harvest is earned with the time I spent scouting, tracking, calling and then finally putting down and packing out so from my perspective those that have gone down there and harvested an EASY kill are flat out lazy and I don't recognize their kills nor care about those kills.
I know the parts of Hanford that are legal but I'm still not going to chance it and if they want to then that's fine. I don't want to be the one having to fight a legal battle just because I drove all the way to Hanford for a bull I could've stayed closer to home for.
Yes Yak is said it. You have made it clear now that it wasn't you and I apologize. Going through all the info. posted on both hunting sites and from people I spoke with lead me to the facebook picture and if that's not you then again my apologies. More power to you if you go down to the Hanford area and harvest one but it's not for me and I'm not going to do it.
I've been a strong believer that if we don't continue practice our customs and traditions in our Ceded Areas than we have the potential to lose them so I don't do anything on the Rez. All my gathering, picking and hunting has been done in the Ceded Areas for a very long time and as long as I can prove somebody still does it then there is no chance we have of losing those rights. If you choose to hunt the Hanford Area than so be it and hope you bring a nice looking one home with a story and pics.
And in my eyes the GANG and DRUG trade is a higher priority in my opinion. But, that does not mean we shouldn't ignore the issues and handling those that break the law.
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 08:59:49 AM
Anybody can sell antlers. I have never sold any.
Not accusing you Yak...
Just saying if you want to buy Washington Elk antlers...... and big racks at that... they can be had pretty easy, and it isn't white people selling... why else would the natives just shoot the big bulls... if it was for food to feed the family.. cows eat much better.. just saying...
Post by: buckmaster_wa on October 10, 2011, 09:09:04 AM
[quote author=Bigtine96
Personally I enjoy the pics that get posted up of these big bulls. I wouldnt otherwise have seen pics of Mr. Mass alive or any of these other studs if not for them. I enjoy any and all pics of big bulls, i even love going to NW Trek just to see em :chuckle:, big horns are big horns.
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Shhhhhhh Dont let this info out. There are big bulls at NW trek and if the Wheelers and Whitefoots find out then they might be tempted to go climb the fence and slaughter the bulls one of these nights. I wouldnt put it past them.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2011, 09:14:53 AM
[quote author=Bigtine96
Personally I enjoy the pics that get posted up of these big bulls. I wouldnt otherwise have seen pics of Mr. Mass alive or any of these other studs if not for them. I enjoy any and all pics of big bulls, i even love going to NW Trek just to see em :chuckle:, big horns are big horns.
Shhhhhhh Dont let this info out. There are big bulls at NW trek and if the Wheelers and Whitefoots find out then they might be tempted to go climb the fence and slaughter the bulls one of these nights. I wouldnt put it past them.
[/quote]
That would really be pushing it...isn't that place near puyallup? Really outside of our area maybe the puyallups and muckleshoots? I wouldn't put it past the Mucks they would probably make up some ancestral excuse if they could? :dunno:
Post by: Gringo31 on October 10, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford? This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction. Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy.
Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed. At what point does the liability become too great?
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
I have a question about hanford.....
If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford? This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction. Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy.
Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed. At what point does the liability become too great?
Can we get congress to declare war???????? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 10, 2011, 11:46:56 AM
I have a question about hanford.....
If the restriction is due to national security, and the "natives" are a sovereign nation how would this be any different than if Mexico or China was screwing around for whatever reason on Hanford? This kinda plays into the major gripe I had on the antelope reintroduction. Great we have antelope here, but to bypass the security laws that are in place across the country to keep our livestock and it's producers safe got me pissy.
Not sure there is an answer, but it seems to me that at some point there needs to be a line drawn and the gray area removed. At what point does the liability become too great?
Can we get congress to declare war???????? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
We did once, after all said and done we got screwed "Treaties"
Post by: colockumelk on October 10, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
Again thanks for the info Plateau. Semper Fi
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2011, 01:28:54 PM
"the sale, trade or barter and/or transport for the purpose of sale, trade, or barter, of non-edible parts of any wildlife lawfully taken by any persons is permitted, except:
(1) velvet antlers of deer or elk; or
(2) gall bladders of black bear"
So the sale of antlers is not illegal as long as they are not in velvet.
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 07:20:24 PM
Ok I took a little time during lunch to review our regs and per the YN Regs.:
"the sale, trade or barter and/or transport for the purpose of sale, trade, or barter, of non-edible parts of any wildlife lawfully taken by any persons is permitted, except:
(1) velvet antlers of deer or elk; or
(2) gall bladders of black bear"
So the sale of antlers is not illegal as long as they are not in velvet.
again.. if these hunts were for food to feed the family.. why not cows or spikes that eat better vs. the biggest bulls on the mtn.??? OTHER THAN SELLING THE ANTLERS FOR MONEY! Because that is what it boils down to with the tribes... the money.... just like the salmon issue.. no one gave a crap until they figured out how much money was in it....
Post by: huntandjeep on October 10, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 10, 2011, 08:31:33 PM
Post by: Huntbear on October 10, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
Why can't we get F&W to tranque the bulls on the res and saw off the antlers before hunting season.
now that is one hell of an idea.. would really make things interesting wouldnt it..
Post by: huntnphool on October 10, 2011, 08:56:44 PM
Post by: biggdogg on October 10, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 10, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: RUTNBULL1 on October 10, 2011, 09:48:41 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 10, 2011, 10:13:18 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 11, 2011, 12:37:20 AM
Let Tred pay an "access" fee and film a wheelchair hunt.
as long as it is supervised and controlled, I see nothing wrong with it myself, but to have someone figure out legal loopholes just for personal gain is just wrong, be it
People not deserving like land owner tags or master hunters, or ndn's?just to use my words in someone elses perspective...
But honestly, if there is a resource like these bulls, and they can be legally, and ethically harvested, there is nothing wrong with someone harvesting one.
BUT if it is not legal for the average hunter to pursue these animals (permit or not) then it is no different than a "High Fence" hunt, or Poaching in a watershed or National Park.
Post by: Little Red Wagon on October 11, 2011, 02:36:45 AM
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle. i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent. you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.
so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.
why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and :cryriver:
oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .
Post by: grundy53 on October 11, 2011, 05:52:55 AM
PlateauNDN
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle. i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent. you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.
so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.
why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and :cryriver:
oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .
God forbid one of your own has ethics! You really should ostracize him.... because you know as well as us that he makes you look really bad. Just because one of your own doesn't agree with your severely F'ed up view of hunting doesn't mean he is an apple. Just a good sportsmans instead of a piece of $#^%
Post by: groundhog on October 11, 2011, 06:19:10 AM
Thank you for your thoughtful responses and for looking at both sides of this issue. You should be proud of the decisions you are making in regard to where and how you hunt with your kids. It well make them better hunters and better people.
Little Red Wagon,
I think it is funny that you call PlateauNDN an apple. It reminds me that it only takes one bad apple or in this case a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. You are you own worst enemy. It is people like you that give all Indians a bad rap. Most Indians are good folks but as with any group of people there are always a few bad apples. Do you think taking all your big bulls to the Sport show and rubbing it in the faces of hunters is helping your people? What about choosing to "open the gate in the middle of the day" because "cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds". It is actions like these that fuel the fire.
Oh, and by the way this white guy has been eating spikes and cows for seventeen years because I have not drawn a special bull tag. They eat real good you should try it sometime. Oh that's right you are all about shooting as many big bulls as you can...
Post by: groundhog on October 11, 2011, 06:32:45 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 11, 2011, 06:55:19 AM
Post by: 101521 on October 11, 2011, 07:01:29 AM
Post by: coachcw on October 11, 2011, 07:05:08 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 11, 2011, 08:57:15 AM
PlateauNDN
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle. i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent. you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.
so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.
why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and :cryriver:
oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .
Well Wagon, you have your opinions and I have mine. You have your reasons and I have mine. We obviously grew up in two different worlds and it shows. I was born and raised on OUR Rez, and graduated here as well. I chose my path to enter the military because that's what had been done in my previous family generations. Is it my fault my grandparents taught me to respect the people, our traditions, our culture and our way of life? No, it is not.
It is not a burden, it is a privilege and honor to have learned from my grandparents and continue to learn from my last surviving grandmother who I pay my respects to all year round by taking her digging, picking, bring her salmon and bring her the best parts of my kills.
That is the difference between you and me. I was raised and taught with respect, integrity, honor, morals and ethics. Take what I need and no more, share what I have because some don't have any and help without asking. I hunt for sustenance not only for my family but again as I've stated before, my mother-in-laws household because she has a house full of girls, my parents and my grandmother.
You on the other hand have proven you don't hunt for sustenance but for sport and trophies. If that's what you want to do then fine so be it. I've harvested bulls and bucks but, more cows and does because the meat taste better and I wasn't raised to hunt for sport.
I was raised by my grandparents teachings and that's how I'm teaching my children and if you don't like it then tough S#%t, I could care less what you think. Obviously you don't have children and if you do you probably don't have them or raise them so you wouldn't understand what being a FATHER is.
You want to call me out on here and use slanderous terms then go ahead because it doesn't solve anything and you're just adding to the stereotype of ignorance. I joined this site to give an opinion from a different point of view because some on here prior to me were not representing us in a civil and professional manner and painted a bad picture of us all. At least now there is a better understanding of how some of us conduct ourselves.
I stated it before and I'll state it again. I take my family everywhere, I teach them what was taught to me, we dig, fish, pick and hunt as a family. Everything we do is in the Ceded Lands because that is our right and if we don't practice our traditions and customs in there then we have the potential to lose them. I have not hunted the Rez in many years, I have not gathered on the Rez in many years, I haven't fished the Rez in many years and I haven't picked the Rez in many years because the Ceded Land is our land as well and until I'm gone I will continue to exercise my rights in the Ceded Lands.
Like me or hate Wagon I could care less and there is one thing we at least share in common, all my sources still keep pointing to YakNDN being the boy in the picture holding the antlers next to the excursion and the one that killed it. I don't know unless he comes out and says who he really is then we'll never actually know and have to take his word on it not being him.
Post by: boneaddict on October 11, 2011, 09:03:16 AM
Post by: Pinetar on October 11, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
Well said PlateauNDN. You are welcome in my camp anytime.
Post by: blacktailer on October 11, 2011, 09:27:47 AM
Hey there Little Red Riding Hood. You are quick to bash Plat. If you're so proud of yourself and your native rights, why don't you post your name on here along with a picture of yourself/vehicle. I am gueesing you might be a little "scared" yourself. I'm thinking a little local justice might help sort things out in a hurry
Post by: 270Shooter on October 11, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 11, 2011, 09:33:46 AM
I really want to lock this thread but the reason I haven't is because I was hoping for a post like PlateauNDN's last one. Good show, sir....you have my full respect for what it's worth.
Post by: boneaddict on October 11, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
Post by: TheHunt on October 11, 2011, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 11, 2011, 09:40:02 AM
Post by: rezboy on October 11, 2011, 09:43:24 AM
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Well said Plat...but I can give you my word that YakNDN was not the one that shot that bull...I know him very well and trust me, it wasn't him. He doesn't drive an Excursion nor does he hunt for just the trophy of the sport. I am not certain who shot that bull as many story's float around (obviously), but I am certain that it was not Yak.
The rest of what you said was very well spoken and I have the upmost respect for you. Values and traditions are nothing if they're not carried out with respect. Good on you for teaching your children the right way.
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 09:45:09 AM
Semper Fi. Brother.
Post by: huntnphool on October 11, 2011, 10:31:54 AM
you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends.
Pot calling the kettle black right there, why not tell everyone which Whitefoot you are? Hypocrite :chuckle:
Post by: sisu on October 11, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
Post by: jstone on October 11, 2011, 11:11:16 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on October 11, 2011, 12:00:52 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on October 11, 2011, 12:40:11 PM
Does it matter? :chuckle:you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends.
Pot calling the kettle black right there, why not tell everyone which Whitefoot you are? Hypocrite :chuckle:
Post by: Little Red Wagon on October 11, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 11, 2011, 01:02:50 PM
Post by: Little Red Wagon on October 11, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
:tup:
Post by: jstone on October 11, 2011, 01:14:46 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 11, 2011, 01:16:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 11, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Plateau-- i cant wait tell i meet you u some day... bash me and my fanily now. some kind of respect full idian you are.. and i am right look you made a bunch of white freinds. what you think your the one greatest indian on here.. you dont know what i shoot or what i kill. so who are you to point fingers and judge me.. just goes to show you ture self. you must be colvile or somehting. well as for every one esle apple ? you guys think i am racist now. read your own threads. half of you shouldnt be on here cuz of the thinks you say about inidans but its because you white your stil here. but its ok.. and ya and the thing about my name and what i drive. u guys would wait until i am away from my ride to do stuff. i know how you guys work but in the end you guys are beating a dead houre. :sry: ...
Little Red Wagon
You have gotten away with more racist remarks and personal attacks than anyone I know of on this forum. This forum will not allow you to continue such tasteless conduct, please clean it up.
Post by: CedarPants on October 11, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 11, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 11, 2011, 01:56:25 PM
Plateau-- i cant wait tell i meet you u some day... bash me and my fanily now. some kind of respect full idian you are.. and i am right look you made a bunch of white freinds. what you think your the one greatest indian on here.. you dont know what i shoot or what i kill. so who are you to point fingers and judge me.. just goes to show you ture self. you must be colvile or somehting. well as for every one esle apple ? you guys think i am racist now. read your own threads. half of you shouldnt be on here cuz of the thinks you say about inidans but its because you white your stil here. but its ok.. and ya and the thing about my name and what i drive. u guys would wait until i am away from my ride to do stuff. i know how you guys work but in the end you guys are beating a dead houre. :sry: ...
Wagon, you really know how to comprehend a post don't you. Where did I bash you or your family? As I recall it was you who called me an apple and a turncoat on OUR people. I am full blooded how about you? Yakama born and raised. You're right I don't know what you shoot or kill and not once did I point that out that you shoot or kill a bunch of anything.
You are the one being judgemental not me, you are the one pointing fingers not me and yet here you are again calling me a colville or something else. I don't think anything about myself, you labeled me. I let my actions speak for themselves. I don't talk the talk, I prefer to walk it and walk it hard.
Does it matter that I made some friends here? Not really, it matters that I represent OUR Tribe with respect and integrity and show everybody that there are good apples here not just bad ones. I may have made some friends and that's an added benefit. If you don't want friends then why be here? I love providing for my family and teaching them our culture and that involves hunting. That wasn't the main reason why I joined this forum but things work in mysterious ways and now I'm here because I love reading and sharing about hunting.
If that's what your here for then fine if not then I believe nobody is stopping you from leaving? :dunno:
Let me ask you this, what have you done for OUR people lately? I do quite a bit and will continue to help OUR people along with everybody regardless of ethnic background.
Post by: Coastal_native on October 11, 2011, 02:08:15 PM
Post by: CedarPants on October 11, 2011, 02:11:26 PM
Just thought I'd add...IMO, Plat is not the exception to the rule.
Well stated Coastal, and a very good point worth making.
Post by: Pinetar on October 11, 2011, 02:29:52 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 11, 2011, 02:31:34 PM
I'm with Bigtine96, Little Red Wagon ban
Patience is a virtue...
:)
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 11, 2011, 03:01:16 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 11, 2011, 03:09:33 PM
Unless I missed something? And I may not agree with everything Little Red Wagon said. But after reading his post I see new members come on HW and go after Indians pretty much the same way all the time. So the part about letting some people get away with it I can see his point. I have not read any of his other post so I am just speaking on the last two pages of this post. People have the rite to disagree so let them as long as it stays clean bear has done a pretty good job. Plateau has some great points. And I would recommend that he other ndn people do as he preaches.
I don't want to ban Little Red Wagon as he obviously has plenty to add to any conversation regarding tribal rights, but he needs to keep his comments civil and refrain from the name calling, especially racist name calling.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 11, 2011, 03:13:39 PM
Post by: jackmaster on October 11, 2011, 03:18:36 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 11, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
when it comes right down to it i think most sportsman don t care what you are, so dont say white people like to bash the native people because true sportsman will bash anyone who disgraces wildlife, for me i think of plateau as a hell of a PERSON/SPORTSMAN, i could careless what he is, and since he is a native american, his insight on these matters or any matters that involve native americans is greatly regarded on here, its ashame that he has to get bashed by you little red wagon a friggin shame :twocents:
Agree 100% excellent post sir, should be the end of this thread..
Post by: Pathfinder101 on October 11, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
Post by: groundhog on October 11, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
Coastal,
I agree 100% ! Thank god there are far more Native Americans that do not abuse their rights than those that do.
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 11, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
Just thought I'd add...IMO, Plat is not the exception to the rule.
Coastal,
I agree 100% ! Thank god there are far more Native Americans that do not abuse their rights than those that do.
Me to, otherwise there would be absolutely no salmon, deer or elk left.
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 04:17:32 PM
I don't even know the guy just my opinion. I'm sure I would know him if I knew his name its a small rez.
His last name is Whitefoot. You are wrong that "white people" have done the same to other tribal members on here. This is the first time that I have seen someone overtly use racist names. Especially ones directed at a specific person.
I would support banning little red wagon but I have never seen someone owned so bad in a debate as Plateau is owning this one. He gains my respect with every well thought out post. A lesser man would have got heated and thrown mud and trash back. Not many on here ( myself included) would have responded as well as Plateau has.
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: 724wd on October 11, 2011, 04:29:45 PM
he drives a red Toyota Prious with a huge Obama sticker on the back. :yike:
boy, talk about inflammatory language! :nono: :spank_butt: :lol4:
Post by: Coastal_native on October 11, 2011, 04:36:21 PM
I have never seen someone owned so bad in a debate as Plateau is owning this one.
I disagree, last year you and I were debating on whether or not I had the qualifications of an "Indian Tracker". To prove my case I successfully helped fill my budy's west side MF elk tag, solidifying my status as an "Indian Tracker". After that I took out a Title Policy on you...... I have retained ownership of you ever since, although now I'm considering dumping you because it's tarnishing my portfolio. Now that everyone is owning Colockumelk in a debate, it's really driven down the demand...
Post by: huntnphool on October 11, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
Oh and I think YAK is hiding something. He doestn own an excursion he drives a red Toyota Prious with a huge Obama sticker on the back. :yike:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/MGalleryItem.php?id=8478)
Post by: rezboy on October 11, 2011, 04:50:54 PM
Oh and I think YAK is hiding something. He doestn own an excursion he drives a red Toyota Prious with a huge Obama sticker on the back. :yike:
OH CRAP! They got you YAK!!! LMAO! Hopefully they don't see you when you have the elk strapped to the top of the Prius...
Post by: boneaddict on October 11, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
Post by: SniperDanWA on October 11, 2011, 05:45:52 PM
I'm not well versed in American Indian culture, but if Plateau put on a seminar I'd sign up. He has a lot to show me, and others too.
Thank you for keeping this open and allowing dialogue; however, if the actions warrant closure I support the mod's decision. Thanks BearPaw
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
I have never seen someone owned so bad in a debate as Plateau is owning this one.
I disagree, last year you and I were debating on whether or not I had the qualifications of an "Indian Tracker". To prove my case I successfully helped fill my budy's west side MF elk tag, solidifying my status as an "Indian Tracker". After that I took out a Title Policy on you...... I have retained ownership of you ever since, although now I'm considering dumping you because it's tarnishing my portfolio. Now that everyone is owning Colockumelk in a debate, it's really driven down the demand...
You know I really wanted to keep things civil but Coastal leaves me no choice. The gloves are off.
There's really no PC way to say this but.... Coastal knows Christine Gregoire INTIMATELY!! And Rezboy keeps the pics to prove it under his bed. :yike:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 11, 2011, 06:10:42 PM
I have to chime in also, as a Irish/Scot/Norwegian mix, my family came to America through Canada.
Both of my grandparents lived on the Suquamish reservation, and I have family that lives there still, cousins on both sides.
I spent my summers just up the street from Chief Sealths grave-site, and my grandmother was the cook at the elementary school.
My best friend is married to a Puyallup, with children.
Gave my fathers Ti-pi to a Lummi.
I have "Grass Danced" with some Dakota-Sioux,
friends for years with some Blackfoot,
I can go on, lots of "native" friends.
The vast majority of them are great people, that show respect.
it is the few obnoxious "racist" and disrespectful that get all the attention.
Kudos to Plateau and Coastal for creating a positive reflection upon themselves, when it is so much easier to be a bad "apple"
Post by: 724wd on October 11, 2011, 06:11:19 PM
You know I really wanted to keep things civil but Coastal leaves me no choice. The gloves are off.
There's really no PC way to say this but.... Coastal knows Christine Gregoire INTIMATELY!! And Rezboy keeps the pics to prove it under his bed. :yike:
man, that's dirty pool. dirty, stinky, skeletor pool! :yike: :con: :puke:
Post by: fishunt247 on October 11, 2011, 06:44:24 PM
But Plateau, I have a question that maybe you or others who may know can answer: Did the treaties for the Tribes in the Southwest not contain any Ceded Land, and that is why they have to abide by US law off of the reservation? Or, in recent history, have those Treaties been revised so that all people on United State's soil are created equal in the eyes of the law?
I acknowledge that horrendous things were done to Native Americans (who are immigrants too according to the Arctic Sea land bridge idea), but will there ever be a time when the slate is wiped away and we are all just Americans with individual ancestries? No white man or Indian man living today was the aggressor or receiver in any of these terrible acts. :twocents:
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 11, 2011, 07:26:37 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on October 11, 2011, 07:29:30 PM
OK now I think this is a bunch of crap why is it you all go after the helpless people, are we still in school always picking on weird kid. I so feel kicked to the side and beat down. Really guys Obama and cracking on my Prious I just got it back colock and his buds borrowed it for some kind of soup kitchen party?:chuckle:
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
Post by: 724wd on October 11, 2011, 07:37:52 PM
Really guys Obama and cracking on my Prious I just got it back, Colock and his buds borrowed it for some kind of soup kitchen party?
lemon party, maybe? :dunno: :o
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 07:38:38 PM
Post by: bearhunter99 on October 11, 2011, 07:40:01 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 11, 2011, 07:42:01 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 11, 2011, 08:04:04 PM
Post by: rezboy on October 11, 2011, 09:04:37 PM
There's really no PC way to say this but.... Coastal knows Christine Gregoire INTIMATELY!! And Rezboy keeps the pics to prove it under his bed. :yike:
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PICS??? Hell...I've got video's! :IBCOOL: :yike:
Post by: rezboy on October 11, 2011, 09:09:36 PM
And rezboy is pissed because you stole his elk transportation method that he developed and then made famous from his avatar pick. :chuckle:
What a bunch of crap, huh? I thought I was pretty high tech with that method and now someone has to one-up me with a damn Prius...lol. :bash:
Post by: Coastal_native on October 11, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
And coastal is jealous because you actually have killed an elk. A little known secret is the reason I took his tracker card from him is because his wife is the one that shoots all tje elk. Coastal just takes the pictures steals the credit. His wife doesnt mind because she makes him pack it all out.
Ok, I'll concede to your temporary transfer of ownership, but the Gregoire sign in my yard isn't going anywhere.
Post by: bucklucky on October 11, 2011, 09:32:24 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on October 11, 2011, 09:46:45 PM
I thought Coastal was a good guy .......... Gregoire ...... really ...... :chuckle:
Oh, make no mistake...I'm no Gregoire supporter. I just use the sign to keep my in-laws away...And to keep my granola eating, deer petting neighbors from noticing the smell of venison coming from my BBQ.
Post by: huntnphool on October 11, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
Oh, make no mistake...I'm no Gregoire supporter. I just use the sign to keep my in-laws away...And to keep my granola eating, deer petting neighbors from noticing the smell of venison coming from my BBQ.
Now thats some funny *censored* right there. :chuckle:
Post by: rambohunter13 on October 11, 2011, 11:03:00 PM
We all should keep in mind it is a tame elk and it truly shows ones hunting abilities when that is there trophy. These bulls are not tough to fool or out smart you can literally walk up to them.
I personally think giving up a couple contaminated elk to keep meth and other drugs in isolated areas is probably a good investment for our communities.
I am curious if sportsmen could buy the native hunting rights off them or just bribe them not to hunt. our country already bribes them to live in the worst parts of our nation "Rez's" for really not that much money. I think giving them a little money to not rape our woods and streams would be a great investment. In all seriousness we are in part to blame. People buy the salmon they catch, and someone bought the horns. Those are the people we should be mad with, the ones further supporting these behaviors. If there was no market these people would have no means or drive to continue.
Post by: ldjbuff on October 12, 2011, 07:06:57 AM
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 12, 2011, 08:24:33 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 12, 2011, 11:46:22 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
ummm whats with the "apple"
are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit :dunno: next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana :yike: :yike: or worse yet ...tomato.....
I guess I see all sorts of humor in being called fruit :chuckle: :chuckle: I've been called way worse things than a peach ;)
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 12, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
I just have a question??
ummm whats with the "apple"
are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit :dunno: next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana :yike: :yike: or worse yet ...tomato.....
I guess I see all sorts of humor in being called fruit :chuckle: :chuckle: I've been called way worse things than a peach ;)
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 12, 2011, 01:29:28 PM
are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit :dunno: next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana :yike: :yike: or worse yet ...tomato.....Run, banana is a slanderous name that has been used for a while.
Post by: jackelope on October 12, 2011, 01:43:26 PM
I will say one more thing....
1 link to the bashing won't be joining us any longer.
Thats it. Move on or I will lock it.
Post by: hunterrcc on October 12, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 12, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
I'm all done with the bashing that's going on in this thread. We can leave it up here but if the bashing one way or the other continues, I will lock it.
I will say one more thing....
1 link to the bashing won't be joining us any longer.
Thats it. Move on or I will lock it.
Post by: hunterrcc on October 12, 2011, 02:01:15 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 12, 2011, 02:01:46 PM
I am curious if sportsmen could buy the native hunting rights off them or just bribe them not to hunt.
Trade them legalization of slot machines in exchange for their hunting/fishing rights, they can still hunt/fish like the rest of us so its not like they are giving up much. :twocents:
Post by: TheHunt on October 12, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
I think legally the US would have to declare war on each tribe to void each treaty. The USA could declare war but not do anything to them just make it a paper war.
:dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 02:31:25 PM
Post by: 724wd on October 12, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit :dunno: next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana :yike: :yike: or worse yet ...tomato.....
shoot, my wife's a twinkie... yellow on the outside, white on the inside. her parents are Laotian, but my wife was born in montana... she's about as white as you can get! :chuckle:
edit: i suppose banana would qualify, too, be we always use twinkie.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 12, 2011, 02:40:28 PM
I think phool has something there. I have been saying the same thing. Lets do some trading.
I think legally the US would have to declare war on each tribe to void each treaty. The USA could declare war but not do anything to them just make it a paper war.
:dunno:
Or I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten.
Post by: ipkus on October 12, 2011, 02:41:10 PM
I believe being a foriegn nationalist (or member of a soverign nation) entering a military reservation where something nuclear was being stored and discharging your firearm might constitute an act of war. at least terrorism.......
I basically agree...so the question is...Has anyone with at least some first hand knowledge of what happened notified law enforcement? I would have done it already, but don't have enough real information.
It would be ridiculous if someone knows for sure that this bull was shot on the reservation (Hanford) 5 days ago and hasn't tried to start the ball rolling. If it is true, maybe they get away with it and maybe they don't, but we should at least TRY to make sure they get what they deserve.
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 03:12:06 PM
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Or I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten
such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 12, 2011, 03:23:21 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 12, 2011, 03:33:04 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2011, 03:45:48 PM
are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit :dunno: next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana :yike: :yike: or worse yet ...tomato.....
shoot, my wife's a twinkie... yellow on the outside, white on the inside. her parents are Laotian, but my wife was born in montana... she's about as white as you can get! :chuckle:
edit: i suppose banana would qualify, too, be we always use twinkie.
apparently I am dense as a post had no idea there were real slurs attached to foods and race...damn this world is messed up :dunno:
sorry Jackelope if I broke all the rules that wasn't my intent I truly was kinda shocked that being called a fruit was a slur....I will crawl back under my rock where all men/women are created equal and color or race isn't an issue......
Post by: jackelope on October 12, 2011, 03:50:23 PM
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 12, 2011, 04:50:54 PM
QuoteOr I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten
such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.
Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 04:53:05 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 04:55:46 PM
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exclude from their reservation the use of ardent spirits, and to prevent their people from drinking the same....
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 04:57:27 PM
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and promise to be friendly with all citizens thereof(the United State), and pledge themselves to commit no depredations upon the property of such citizens.
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2011, 05:05:00 PM
It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.
awe thanks....I have to go there occasionally or the poor toads get lonely :dunno:...like that poor cow we abandoned in a basement somewhere....gosh wonder if she is still there.... :dunno:
QuoteOr I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten
such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.
Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.
yak if this is true how do they get away with selling alcohol on the rez's in casino's (so a indian owned and operated casino on a reservation on indian land not deeded land like the 100 yr lease lands in say tulalip)? serious question would like to know the answer?
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 12, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.
awe thanks....I have to go there occasionally or the poor toads get lonely :dunno:...like that poor cow we abandoned in a basement somewhere....gosh wonder if she is still there.... :dunno:QuoteOr I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten
such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.
Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.
yak if this is true how do they get away with selling alcohol on the rez's in casino's (so a indian owned and operated casino on a reservation on indian land not deeded land like the 100 yr lease lands in say tulalip)? serious question would like to know the answer?
I just answered this question in the polls section under the Initiative question if you want to take a look.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 12, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
Run, I am also quoting the treaty of 1855 for the Yakama Confederated tribes, so may not effect all of those folks. Reading the treaty, it not only specifies the sale of alcohol but literally the consumption or possession of. I think its ridiculous, but I think lots of it is.
most of the treaties contain that language not just yakama ... I posted a link at one point to a source containing darn near every treaty existing up until very recently I had to read many of them for a class and they all include clauses regarding being dry. I also think its silly BUT if they are saying the treaty gives them special rights then they must also acknowledge and follow all other aspects of the treaty otherwise my opinion the treaty is as good as toilet paper :dunno: :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 05:22:23 PM
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And the said confederated tribes and bands of Indians agree not to shelter or conceal offenders against the laws of the United States
Post by: colockumelk on October 12, 2011, 05:42:58 PM
I believe being a foriegn nationalist (or member of a soverign nation) entering a military reservation where something nuclear was being stored and discharging your firearm might constitute an act of war. at least terrorism.......
I basically agree...so the question is...Has anyone with at least some first hand knowledge of what happened notified law enforcement? I would have done it already, but don't have enough real information.
It would be ridiculous if someone knows for sure that this bull was shot on the reservation (Hanford) 5 days ago and hasn't tried to start the ball rolling. If it is true, maybe they get away with it and maybe they don't, but we should at least TRY to make sure they get what they deserve.
Lets say it was shot on the Hanford Reservation. How do you prove it five days later. Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt would be almost impossible. Short of video footage its not gonna happen. Even if they found the gut pile the state is not gonna pay money to do a DNA test. Forget about a conviction. Not gonna happen.
If it burns people up that bad write a letter to the editor in your local paper. Forward the live pics and the dead pics.
As far as if a member drinks alcohol this does not constitute a break in the treaty. Just like If an American citizen murders a Frenchman while visiting France it does not constitute an act of war. The tribe would have to officially start selling consuming etc for it to ne considered a breach in the treaty. Which as Plateau has said definately doesn't happen.
Now as far as being nice to the citizens like article 8 says and how YAK Rezboy and Coastal always pick on poor little me, this is obviously a concerted and organized attempt to hurt my feelings. Verdict.... GUILTY!! :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on October 12, 2011, 06:06:57 PM
You'd think Hanford would have A LOT of video surveillance. :dunno:
Post by: colockumelk on October 12, 2011, 06:11:35 PM
Post by: Caseyd on October 12, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
I doubt they have cameras out in the boonies. motion sensors yes but cameras probably not. Plus if no body was watching said cameras was it recorded. Has it already digitally looped over it. If a crime was committed I would love a conviction but I don't see it happening due to a lack of evidence.
Satalites :tinfoil:
Post by: colockumelk on October 12, 2011, 06:19:41 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 12, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
Post by: Maverick on October 12, 2011, 06:51:33 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 12, 2011, 06:59:31 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 12, 2011, 07:02:54 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 12, 2011, 07:07:12 PM
Did anyone get the forward of dustin whitefoot's bull he killed in the colockum recently? :rolleyes:
That family kills more branch bulls in one year in the Colockum than all licensed hunters combined in 3 years. Their kills don't impress me. Let them hunt during the general season hunting for a true spike and see how they do.
Post by: runamuk on October 12, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
Uh oh Casey I might have some explain.ING to do. Runamuk you got a spare tinfoil hat I can borrow?
just this one I do.....but dont get too close you might get me evicted from my club ;)
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 12, 2011, 07:09:35 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 12, 2011, 07:56:47 PM
I believe being a foriegn nationalist (or member of a soverign nation) entering a military reservation where something nuclear was being stored and discharging your firearm might constitute an act of war. at least terrorism.......
I basically agree...so the question is...Has anyone with at least some first hand knowledge of what happened notified law enforcement? I would have done it already, but don't have enough real information.
It would be ridiculous if someone knows for sure that this bull was shot on the reservation (Hanford) 5 days ago and hasn't tried to start the ball rolling. If it is true, maybe they get away with it and maybe they don't, but we should at least TRY to make sure they get what they deserve.
Lets say it was shot on the Hanford Reservation. How do you prove it five days later. Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt would be almost impossible. Short of video footage its not gonna happen. Even if they found the gut pile the state is not gonna pay money to do a DNA test. Forget about a conviction. Not gonna happen.
If it burns people up that bad write a letter to the editor in your local paper. Forward the live pics and the dead pics.
As far as if a member drinks alcohol this does not constitute a break in the treaty. Just like If an American citizen murders a Frenchman while visiting France it does not constitute an act of war. The tribe would have to officially start selling consuming etc for it to ne considered a breach in the treaty. Which as Plateau has said definately doesn't happen.
Now as far as being nice to the citizens like article 8 says and how YAK Rezboy and Coastal always pick on poor little me, this is obviously a concerted and organized attempt to hurt my feelings. Verdict.... GUILTY!! :chuckle:
Hay now that is a ndn trick now stop it. (pick on poor me)
And thanks plat for responding to bone, people don't understand that the Yakama Tribe has pushed for the dry rez. And different tribes have different treaty's. Some Tribes have a dry rez and some do not.
Post by: biggdogg on October 12, 2011, 08:01:25 PM
Post by: biggdogg on October 12, 2011, 08:04:28 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 12, 2011, 08:09:11 PM
The Yakama's are not allowed to sell alcohol in our casino. The land that the Yakama's built their casino on is trust land. Land that is held in trust by the Fed Gov, A Indian is not smart enough so the Gov must watch over their land for them. lol I don't know what kind of agreement that Tulalip tribe has with the state or city. Yes City I know for a fact that the Puallup Tribe pays 5% of revenue to the city of fife. Yup 5% and they also pay property tax that they are not required to pay.It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.
awe thanks....I have to go there occasionally or the poor toads get lonely :dunno:...like that poor cow we abandoned in a basement somewhere....gosh wonder if she is still there.... :dunno:QuoteOr I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten
such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.
Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.
yak if this is true how do they get away with selling alcohol on the rez's in casino's (so a indian owned and operated casino on a reservation on indian land not deeded land like the 100 yr lease lands in say tulalip)? serious question would like to know the answer?
Post by: colockumelk on October 12, 2011, 08:14:25 PM
got some info today the tribe is meeting wdfw about hanford hunting they r trying to make draw system out of it for yakamas put your name in draw a tag but my name is not going into that draw no fun to shoot an elk that just stands there and looks at u. Does anybody disagree with that????? If so that is what most people complain about the yakamas driving around all willy nilly shooting whatever they want at least it will be a controlled hunt, one of my ideas was to put some stipulations on the hunt a good one to start would not be able to sell the horns.
That's good to know bigdogg. I don't think that particular herd has a lot of elk to begin with and as open as that area is if hunting was left unchecked that need would be decimated. Hopefully they open up permits for us as well. Since the reason why e can't hunt it (national security) apparantly is not a worry anymore.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 12, 2011, 08:23:33 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 12, 2011, 11:01:31 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on October 12, 2011, 11:33:32 PM
Where they have taken these elk is open to you. Public cannot go onto Hanford.BS you are hunting on land that is not open to anyone! Hanford is off limits to everyone including indians! the Dept of Wildlife better not agree at all to their draw system and better say no to all hunting on Hanford! More and more BS!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 12, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
Hunterrcc, i would believe that they will get access to Hanford. Reason I say this is, Indians used to get all kinds of special clamming and beach combing access on the bases at Kitsap. They would get marine escorts to the beach. These were in areas where even many people in the military couldn't get access.Where they have taken these elk is open to you. Public cannot go onto Hanford.BS you are hunting on land that is not open to anyone! Hanford is off limits to everyone including indians! the Dept of Wildlife better not agree at all to their draw system and better say no to all hunting on Hanford! More and more BS!
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 13, 2011, 06:21:00 AM
Where they have taken these elk is open to you. Public cannot go onto Hanford.BS you are hunting on land that is not open to anyone! Hanford is off limits to everyone including indians! the Dept of Wildlife better not agree at all to their draw system and better say no to all hunting on Hanford! More and more BS!
once again hunterrcc you are wrong. i ve sat here and watched your comments come through and enough is enough. quit being hatefull and jealous. that bull wasnt shot on the closed hanford sight. do you not think something would have been done by now. i mean come on man. as a tribal member myself your comments on here are not doing anything but stirring the pot. do some history research and see who all used to live and hunt on what is now the closed hanford sight which is not open to anyone now but the workers. i work on that sight. i know what goes on out there. maybe your viewpoint will change.
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 06:39:44 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 13, 2011, 06:55:06 AM
There is very controlled limited hunting allowed on the missille range in New mexico, I think if WDFW would pursue some opportunity it might occur. The tribe has been smart for pursue for some hunting opportunity. I think if you guys want some permits there, you need to start pressuring WDFW to negotiate for some hunting opportunity. There will be no opportunity unless WDFW pursues the issue. :twocents:
Post by: danderson on October 13, 2011, 07:01:18 AM
Plus I like the idea of opening up more youth hunts to control the herd size.
Post by: coachcw on October 13, 2011, 07:38:18 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 13, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 13, 2011, 07:46:59 AM
The WDFW planted about 100 elk from Hanford to NE WA a few years ago and it really helped our herd. The fact that occurred tells me that Hanford might be willing to work out some opportunity for hunters.They need to continue doing that- Maybe we could talk the WDFW and local farmers into allowing Ferry County to have some more elk?
Post by: CedarPants on October 13, 2011, 08:00:34 AM
The WDFW planted about 100 elk from Hanford to NE WA a few years ago and it really helped our herd. The fact that occurred tells me that Hanford might be willing to work out some opportunity for hunters.They need to continue doing that- Maybe we could talk the WDFW and local farmers into allowing Ferry County to have some more elk?
With over half the elk slated to be taken by hunters being expected to be consumed by wolves, you'd think the WDFW would be all for transplanting more elk up north to feed their new prize project. Should be an easy sell :tup:
Post by: Huntbear on October 13, 2011, 08:07:06 AM
Where they have taken these elk is open to you. Public cannot go onto Hanford.BS you are hunting on land that is not open to anyone! Hanford is off limits to everyone including indians! the Dept of Wildlife better not agree at all to their draw system and better say no to all hunting on Hanford! More and more BS!
once again hunterrcc you are wrong. i ve sat here and watched your comments come through and enough is enough. quit being hatefull and jealous. that bull wasnt shot on the closed hanford sight. do you not think something would have been done by now. i mean come on man. as a tribal member myself your comments on here are not doing anything but stirring the pot. do some history research and see who all used to live and hunt on what is now the closed hanford sight which is not open to anyone now but the workers. i work on that sight. i know what goes on out there. maybe your viewpoint will change.
The problem with all this is that there were NO ELK ON THE EAST SIDE, TILL THE WHITE MAN PUT THEM THERE! AFTER THE TREATY WAS SIGNED!
So there is no ancestral elk hunting grounds over there... end of story....
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 13, 2011, 08:13:38 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 13, 2011, 08:14:48 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on October 13, 2011, 08:22:03 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 13, 2011, 08:24:28 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on October 13, 2011, 08:43:41 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
As I stated previously the Yakama Nation has rights to hunt Hanford and it has been acknowledged by the Department of Energy which oversees the Hanford Site. They have done their homework when it comes to Tribes in this area and they have spelled it out in their reports regarding hunting on Hanford.
Here is a direct quote from the D.O.E. from June 15, 2009 to the Law Office of Thomas Zeilamn.
Page 1-"you requested,...documents regarding any decisions made by the U.S. Deparment of Energy (DOE) to prohibit hunting or trapping of the Rattlesnake Hills Elk Herd within the Fitzner-Eberhart Arid Lands Ecology Reserve at the Hanford Reach National Monument/Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge..."
Page 2-"Weapons Policy-Arid Lands Ecology Reserve (ALE) Controlled Hunt"
Reference is made to your memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1998. Your memo indicated a possible controlled hunt(s) at the ALE, which would involve weapons (both firearms and bow and arrow) as a means to control the elk herd. In your memo, you requested that the Safeguards and Security Division revise the no weapons policy for ALE.
I believe the best approach in this matter would be not to change the current policy addressing weapons but to provide a blanket approval authorizing the possession, transport, and use of weapons on ALE for controlled hunt(s)....and would be contingent on compliance with whatever further parameters that your organization or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service feel are appropriate.
Page 3 to the Director of Safeguards and Security Division.
"It has come to my attention that the landowners adjacent to Hanfords ALE are being visited by the Rattlesnake hills elk herd. these ranchers contend that these elk are U.S. DOE, Richland Operations Office (RL) elk and that we must control them or eliminate them. THEY ARE NOT RL's ELK, but are considered property of the State. We have been watching the number of elk grow over the years and now have about 766 animals. This is about 500 more than what the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has determined to be an optimum number for this area. It has been determined that the best policy for control of this herd, which is outstripping the carrying capacity of the land, would be to have a controlled hunt on ALE and adjacent private lands....Hunting could be considered a significant land use change and a review may have to be conducted to satisfy the requirements. After these actions are complete, WDFW could implement a hunting season for ALE and adjacent landowners."
The last 2 pages were actions taken back in 1998 and resurfaced again prior to 2009 with implementation.
The DOE recognized the Ceded Lands rights by the Yakama Nation and also brought them to the table to discuss the ALE and the exercising of the Tribes rights to hunt, gather and fish the ALE.
The ALE is the only portion of Hanford that we are allowed to exercise our Rights. If we are caught in any other area then we are subject to Federal Laws not Tribal because of the sensitive materials in those areas.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
Under the section titled-"History and desciption of the problem"
In Wa. the Roosevelt elk is indigenous to the Pacific coastal region of Wa. and the Rocky Mt. elk reside primarily in eastern WA....
2nd paragraph-Zooarchaelogical evidence suggests elk historically inhabited the arid shrub steppe habitats of the Columbia Basin, but were hunted to extinction by 1850...Elk were reintroduced to various locations throughout the State. The re-establishment of the Yakima herd occurred in 1913 with 50 elk transplanted from Montana.
The re-establishment of the Blue Mts. and the Colockum elk occurred between 1913 and 1930.
The Hanford elk have shown a dramatic and continuous increase during its history...it is speculated that these animals came from the Yakima population directly...From 1999 to 2007 the population has increased from just under 900 to estimated at over 2000 elk residing in the ALE.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 13, 2011, 09:21:14 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 09:23:41 AM
i guess i ll be thanking the "white guys" as you put it when im hunting for elk this weekend in the bluesI Might see you i am also headed that way.
Post by: Huntbear on October 13, 2011, 09:33:51 AM
By sanction, I mean defend and allow members to continue the wanton destruction of a valuable resource. Instead of working with sportsmen, and the wdfw to manage the herds, and grow them, so there are even more elk for everyone.
Plat, you and Yak and others seem to be upstanding and well spoken. I have nothing against you or your families... It just disgusts me to see what happens when the tribes go
You gentlemen have a great day.
Yep, I called you gentlemen.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 13, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
As long as the tribes sanction the slaughter of the elk and deer and specifically the big bull elk, so that members can sell the antlers to the highest bidder, this topic and others like it will go on forever..
By sanction, I mean defend and allow members to continue the wanton destruction of a valuable resource. Instead of working with sportsmen, and the wdfw to manage the herds, and grow them, so there are even more elk for everyone.
Plat, you and Yak and others seem to be upstanding and well spoken. I have nothing against you or your families... It just disgusts me to see what happens when the tribes gohuntingkilling elk, and deer with total disregard.
You gentlemen have a great day.
Yep, I called you gentlemen.... :chuckle: :chuckle:
I am far from well spoken I'm rough on the edges and kinda the outcast in my family for not been all proper, and PC. Thanks Hunt
Post by: Maverick on October 13, 2011, 09:52:15 AM
Post by: spookgus on October 13, 2011, 09:59:53 AM
Another thing that always get brought up in the hunting section is the selling of salmon first of all what the yakamas catch is drop in the bucket compared to what sportsmen catch, so keep the salmon selling in the fishing threadSportsmen catch. :dunno: I didn't bring it up, but allow me to retort. There seems to be a lot of tribal set nets between Bonneville and McNary at certain times and I have watched semi trucks being loaded with salmon there. I acknowledge there is also a commercial drift net fishery below Bonneville. Maybe it's not just the dams.
Post by: jackelope on October 13, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
Post by: colockumelk on October 13, 2011, 10:22:57 AM
There has always been elk in the Yakima and Kittitas valleys. Biologists believe they would wander back and forth over the cascade crest and often times some would migrate down during the inter. But.... every article and scrap of evidence (while they agree there were SOME elk there). They also all agree the elk numbers or herds east of the Pacific Crest Trail was nothing like we have now. Because of the open terrain and the these elk were the first to be killed off. Because these elk were migratory they likely also didnt return. This also happened west of the Pacific Crest trail. Soon the only elk that remained were holdouts in the Olympics and in the wilderness areas west of the pct.
In the 1910's private sportsman paid to have elk transplanted from Yellowstone to an area west of Naches, an area north of Ellensburg and an area just east of Eatonville. These were all Rocky Mountain elk. (This is why the only true Rossies are west of I-5. The current elk between the pct and I-5 are the result of the planted Rocky Mountain elk and the few Rossies that were still alive.)
As far as the Blues goes those elk migrated north from Oregon and also from transplants. On a sidenote by 1998 all the elk that were desended from the elk planted north of ellensburg ( known as tje colockum herd) were finally killed off. So unfortunately there isnt any elk in the colockum.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 13, 2011, 10:46:17 AM
The WDFW planted about 100 elk from Hanford to NE WA a few years ago and it really helped our herd. The fact that occurred tells me that Hanford might be willing to work out some opportunity for hunters.
There is very controlled limited hunting allowed on the missille range in New mexico, I think if WDFW would pursue some opportunity it might occur. The tribe has been smart for pursue for some hunting opportunity. I think if you guys want some permits there, you need to start pressuring WDFW to negotiate for some hunting opportunity. There will be no opportunity unless WDFW pursues the issue. :twocents:
I like that!!!! Yea, relocate them, few at a time. Hopefully Pend Oreille Country :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
The info. in these reports are THEIR official reports to the US Fish and Wildlife and other Government Agencies. If this is THEIR OFFICIAL REPORT to the US GOVT. then it's good for me and as long as this is what the US GOVT. accepted as THEIR OFFICIAL REPORT then it's good for me and I will use it.
As long as our Tribal History shows there were elk, deer, bighorn sheep, antelope, black and brown bears, even wolves :bash: , and an assortment of other wildlife species pre-dating the Treaty then I will accept that as well since it's our Tribal Elders that I have heard it from and I for one do not question OUR Elders when it comes to history. Especially ones as old as my grandmother and my grandfather when he passed away almost a decade ago.
Austrian, in DOE's plan they mention they are going to attempt to relocate a few hundred over the course of 5 years or something like that, with primary reduction of the herd still comprised of hunting.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on October 13, 2011, 11:06:32 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 13, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
i guess i ll be thanking the "white guys" as you put it when im hunting for elk this weekend in the blues
Have fun
Post by: colockumelk on October 13, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Seems this discussion got really interesting after I went to bed last night. Huntbear, North American (Rocky Moutain) elk are native to this area pre-dating the Treaties. They were decimated beyond recovery by Tribal and Non-Tribal hunters during the late 1800's and reintroduced during the early 1900's. Roosevelt Elk were not a native species and were introduced into the Western Side of the State.
This last part was what I said you were mistaken on. I mever said you were wrong even though tje last sentance is wrong. Maybe you worded it wrong.
If you read through my post you would see we agreed on everything else. Other than how many animals there where. Were there elk in the ceded lands of the Yakama Nation? Absolutely. Were there as many elk there as we have now? Not even close. All the evidence I have seen and read supports this.
The only internet I have is on my phone so cutting and pasting is beyond my technical abilities.
Post by: colockumelk on October 13, 2011, 12:30:36 PM
Post by: jackmaster on October 13, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on October 13, 2011, 08:45:04 PM
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As I stated previously the Yakama Nation has rights to hunt Hanford and it has been acknowledged by the Department of Energy which oversees the Hanford Site. They have done their homework when it comes to Tribes in this area and they have spelled it out in their reports regarding hunting on Hanford.
Here is a direct quote from the D.O.E. from June 15, 2009 to the Law Office of Thomas Zeilamn.
Page 1-"you requested,...documents regarding any decisions made by the U.S. Deparment of Energy (DOE) to prohibit hunting or trapping of the Rattlesnake Hills Elk Herd within the Fitzner-Eberhart Arid Lands Ecology Reserve at the Hanford Reach National Monument/Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge..."
Page 2-"Weapons Policy-Arid Lands Ecology Reserve (ALE) Controlled Hunt"
Reference is made to your memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1998. Your memo indicated a possible controlled hunt(s) at the ALE, which would involve weapons (both firearms and bow and arrow) as a means to control the elk herd. In your memo, you requested that the Safeguards and Security Division revise the no weapons policy for ALE.
I believe the best approach in this matter would be to not change the current policy addressing weapons but to provide a blanket approval authorizing the possession, transport, and use of weapons on ALE for controlled hunt(s)....and would be contingent on compliance with whatever further parameters that your organization or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service feel are appropriate.
Page 3 to the Director of Safeguards and Security Division.
"It has come to my attention that the landowners adjacent to Hanfords ALE are being visited by the Rattlesnake hills elk herd. these ranchers contend that these elk are U.S. DOE, Richland Operations Office (RL) elk and that we must control them or eliminate them. THEY ARE NOT RL's ELK, but are considered property of the State. We have been watching the number of elk grow over the years and now have about 766 animals. This is about 500 more than what the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has determined to be an optimum number for this area. It has been determined that the best policy for control of this herd, which is outstripping the carrying capacity of the land, would be to have a controlled hunt on ALE and adjacent private lands....Hunting could be considered a significant land use change and a review may have to be conducted to satisfy the requirements. After these actions are complete, WDFW could implement a hunting season for ALE and adjacent landowners."
I don't see how this is read to mean that the tribe "has rights" to hunt Hanford. I read all of that to mean that we agree to discuss in the future, unless there is much info that has been agreed on I'm not aware of.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 13, 2011, 10:33:31 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 17, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.
Just when you think a topic has been laid to rest...Well Maverick you're entitled to your opinion and I wouldn't have replied if you said those very few "Indians" that are the bad apples are the problem and abuse and violate their rights are the problem but you didn't and decided to lump every body together in the same pot.
Why don't you start from the beginning and read everything and see that this topic has been discussed and debated and you're not the first to make the same exact statement. Somebody beat you to it. If you have questions then ask away but read from the beginning and there maybe some answers for you if not then let me know and I will be glad to assist you with finding an answer.
Post by: Maximus4252626 on October 17, 2011, 06:30:49 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 17, 2011, 07:17:42 PM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.This may be the most offensive and stupidest post in this whole disaster. :yike:
Post by: aer212 on October 17, 2011, 07:36:21 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 18, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
That is if you return his PM, because I asked you questions and I am still awaiting some answers.
In his defense he gets a lot of PMs so he may have missed yours. Or he could be researching an answer for you. He doesn't just spout off stuff. He looks for tje facts with the correct cited source. And typically if he can't find tje answer he will find someone who does know the answer. Shoot him the PM again. If its been a few days.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 18, 2011, 08:16:43 AM
That is if you return his PM, because I asked you questions and I am still awaiting some answers.
Ok Maximus I may have missed your question but I just looked through my messages and I don't see one from you so my question is will you ask again? Giving you an answer is not a problem if you haven't already noticed or heard so ask if you want an answer.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 18, 2011, 02:24:18 PM
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 18, 2011, 02:44:00 PM
Why?
X2
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 18, 2011, 02:50:58 PM
Why?
X2
Why what?
Post by: bear on October 18, 2011, 02:59:12 PM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.The same could be said of many white people as well. Some people just can't be content with what they have. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the whole scenario and would prefer we all be treated equal, but to say they are greedy because of a few isn't a fair assessment. If they all acted like PlateauNDN appears to act and talk I don't think we would have near the issues that we do have. I still would prefer that we were all treated as equals though. Hasn't racial discrimination gone on long enough in this country. I hate to see anything that gives or takes away something from a person because of there race. Bear
Post by: colockumelk on October 18, 2011, 04:43:04 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on October 18, 2011, 08:57:56 PM
Post by: Maximus4252626 on October 19, 2011, 01:02:59 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 02:01:15 AM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.The same could be said of many white people as well. Some people just can't be content with what they have. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the whole scenario and would prefer we all be treated equal, but to say they are greedy because of a few isn't a fair assessment. If they all acted like PlateauNDN appears to act and talk I don't think we would have near the issues that we do have. I still would prefer that we were all treated as equals though. Hasn't racial discrimination gone on long enough in this country. I hate to see anything that gives or takes away something from a person because of there race. Bear
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 05:03:46 AM
Post by: CedarPants on October 19, 2011, 06:47:36 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
I didn't read it that way Max ....
"This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands."
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 08:53:26 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
I didn't read it that way Max ....
"This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands."
:yeah: You have access to the Closed Areas of the Reservation and can hunt the Reservation as long as YOU follow OUR guidelines. SHE has to be with YOU at all times and have HER enrollment card with HER at all times. YOU cannot access the Closed Area of the Rez without HER or hunt without HER. Ceded Area does not apply to YOU. Ceded Area only applies to Enrolled Tribal Members and are the only ones able to exercise their Treaty Rights.
YOU can only hunt the Rez year round for male species and SHE has to be present at all times. Female species are closed to hunting From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31.
Does that clarify it better for you?
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2011, 09:02:18 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
I didn't read it that way Max ....
"This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands."
:yeah: You have access to the Closed Areas of the Reservation and can hunt the Reservation as long as YOU follow OUR guidelines. SHE has to be with YOU at all times and have HER enrollment card with HER at all times. YOU cannot access the Closed Area of the Rez without HER or hunt without HER. Ceded Area does not apply to YOU. Ceded Area only applies to Enrolled Tribal Members and are the only ones able to exercise their Treaty Rights.
YOU can only hunt the Rez year round for male species and SHE has to be present at all times. Female species are closed to hunting From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31.
Does that clarify it better for you?
I think this is ironic. I doubt the tribe intends for non-members to have hunting rights, but due to the nature of tribal hunting, through this loophole a lot of non-members get to hunt the reservations. I know of a lot of guys who have used this loophole to their advantage. I don't really care, it doesn't affect me or most of of you on this forum, but you have to admit with all the bitching about tribal hunting, it's ironic that non-members are hunting the reservations in this way. :yike:
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
I didn't read it that way Max ....
"This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands."
:yeah: You have access to the Closed Areas of the Reservation and can hunt the Reservation as long as YOU follow OUR guidelines. SHE has to be with YOU at all times and have HER enrollment card with HER at all times. YOU cannot access the Closed Area of the Rez without HER or hunt without HER. Ceded Area does not apply to YOU. Ceded Area only applies to Enrolled Tribal Members and are the only ones able to exercise their Treaty Rights.
YOU can only hunt the Rez year round for male species and SHE has to be present at all times. Female species are closed to hunting From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31.
Does that clarify it better for you?
Wow Plateau where are you from? Spouse have no hunting privileges on or off the Rez. I do like the way that you look into stuff before you comment but some of your answers make me feel that your are not from the Rez. No disrespect to you Plat. I do appreciate what you do because I flip out trying to deal with some people on this site and start popping off.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 09:12:26 AM
Okay MAXIMUS I found your question after looking through this topic, it was on page 13 if I'm correct, in regards to your wife being an enrolled member of the Yakama Nation and what privileges you might have?
Per SECTION 32.110.49; UNAUTHORIZED TREATY HUNTING.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands.
If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
So if I read this correctly...I can hunt ceded lands because I married an enrolled member of Yakima Nation? She has to be with me. Can I hunt 12 months out of the year?
I didn't read it that way Max ....
"This is applies to the Reservation only and she would have to be with you at all times. Outside of the Reservation State Law applies to you and only she would be able to hunt the Ceded Lands."
:yeah: You have access to the Closed Areas of the Reservation and can hunt the Reservation as long as YOU follow OUR guidelines. SHE has to be with YOU at all times and have HER enrollment card with HER at all times. YOU cannot access the Closed Area of the Rez without HER or hunt without HER. Ceded Area does not apply to YOU. Ceded Area only applies to Enrolled Tribal Members and are the only ones able to exercise their Treaty Rights.
YOU can only hunt the Rez year round for male species and SHE has to be present at all times. Female species are closed to hunting From Jan. 1 to Aug. 31.
Does that clarify it better for you?
Wow Plateau where are you from? Spouse have no hunting privileges on or off the Rez. I do like the way that you look into stuff before you comment but some of your answers make me feel that your are not from the Rez. No disrespect to you Plat. I do appreciate what you do because I flip out trying to deal with some people on this site and start popping off.
That is from OUR own hunting regs. and you can look it up yourself YakNDN. I was born, raised and graduated from here. The only time I left was when I was in the Marines. After that came back and have lived, worked and played here. My current living status is in Yakima because I had a job up here and wanted to be closer but as fate has it I landed a better paying job back with the Tribe and haven't had the opportunity to move back yet.
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 09:19:36 AM
She put Native American on her job application for the USFS...back in affirmative action days. You should have seen their faces when a hot blonde showed up. LOL Course the boss lady had a hispanic name and was also another hot blonde. :)
Now I have a daughter that is 1/16 or 1/32....can't remember. She will never be enrolled.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
It's called being prepared and knowledgeable about any situation. If I want to continue my employment then I need to know first hand what it is I'm talking about other wise everybody is going to question my motives, tactics and employment.
So yes YakNDN I do do my research on any topic because having the knowledge and being prepared is better than not having it.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 09:28:27 AM
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Good luck getting authorized. Last year even a Tribal Member was not able to carry a firearm if a permit holder in the vehicle.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 09:34:23 AM
Ok Max let me tell you how it is and not how someone interprets it. At one time you were able to get a permit with your name on it that said you could kill one buck and one bull for your family on the rez. They stopped that about ten years ago. You could possibly get one depending on who her family is connected to. You may assist in hunting and gathering of traditional foods but need a permit to access the closed area, the permit states on it you may not carry a firearm. I dint need to look that up because I know what it says.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Good luck getting authorized. Last year even a Tribal Member was not able to carry a firearm if a permit holder in the vehicle.
Keep reading further down YakNDN in that same section.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
I picked up the current regulations guidebook from the Wildlife Office and they also informed me it was on their website as well. Everything regarding Wildlife I ask the Program Manager or the Wildlife Biologist Jim. Those are the only two (2) people I talk to over there because they are the ones with the answers.
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 09:35:51 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
Ok Max let me tell you how it is and not how someone interprets it. At one time you were able to get a permit with your name on it that said you could kill one buck and one bull for your family on the rez. They stopped that about ten years ago. You could possibly get one depending on who her family is connected to. You may assist in hunting and gathering of traditional foods but need a permit to access the closed area, the permit states on it you may not carry a firearm. I dint need to look that up because I know what it says.
Subsection (A) It shall be unlawful for a Yakama Member to:
(2) Allow a person who is not authorized to exercise Treaty Hunting rights to hunt or take wildlife for him or her, or to assist him or her in exercising such rights.
Good luck getting authorized. Last year even a Tribal Member was not able to carry a firearm if a permit holder in the vehicle.
Keep reading further down YakNDN in that same section.
Subsection (C) This Section shall not apply to any non-member identified as:
(1) The spouse, dependent (including adopted or foster), or extended family relative of the Yakama Member;
I picked up the current regulations guidebook from the Wildlife Office and they also informed me it was on their website as well. Everything regarding Wildlife I ask the Program Manager or the Wildlife Biologist Jim. Those are the only two (2) people I talk to over there because they are the ones with the answers.
No Bone we do not need a discover pass and that is a direct quote from the Program Manager of the YN Wildlife Office. YakNDN the reason why I know what it states is because I had a lengthy conversation with the Program Manager about what OUR regs. state. My sister has a boyfriend that is not a member and she asked me so I went looking for answers so she does not do anything stupid with him since he himself is a hunter and they went hunting this past weekend trying to fill his spike tag (he's Coville).
Deciphering text and the comprehension of it is what I deal with on an almost daily basis so when I have conversations with the said people above I'm going to have them knowing full well what it states.
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 09:46:22 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 09:56:42 AM
On a slight different note, do you guys have to have this damn Discover pass thing when on Ceded ground. Just curious because I hate the thing.
No we are not required to have the Discover Pass. I didn't have to ask anyone I know our history.
Jim is half your problem on your info he is a nice old guy but dam people think he is the law and he decides what we can and cant do.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2011, 10:10:27 AM
On a slight different note, do you guys have to have this damn Discover pass thing when on Ceded ground. Just curious because I hate the thing.
No we are not required to have the Discover Pass. I didn't have to ask anyone I know our history.
Jim is half your problem on your info he is a nice old guy but dam people think he is the law and he decides what we can and cant do.
Okay Yak this is how I will break it down for you. I handle contract compliance within the Tribe and deciphering and comprehending context is what I pretty much do on a daily basis. I read, write and review contracts and also make sure the contract is being complied with.
If it's on paper then I'm going to get my hands on it and tear it apart, break it down and look at it from every angle and start compiling my questions way before I start looking for the correct interpretation. When I spoke with the Program Manager about the Discover Pass and the Non-Member access I already had my questions and answers that I had interpreted and compared them to his knowledge of the information since it is his job to monitor and make sure everybody is in compliance with OUR hunting regs.
The time I spoke with Jim was in referrence to the Hanford ALE area and what has transpired. If you want the answer then you go to the ones that have to have the answers because it's their job to know, understand and enforce OUR Treaty Rights and regulations.
I don't know what you do for a living Yak but I'm pretty good at what I do and I take a lot of pride in my work because it helps OUR People.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 19, 2011, 10:54:52 AM
Post by: colockumelk on October 20, 2011, 11:14:23 AM
I read, write and review contracts and also make sure the contract is being complied with.
U must not bee good at your job. Beekuzz U R a Marine and we all no Marines cant reed or rite good. :chuckle:
Post by: Maverick on October 20, 2011, 06:13:16 PM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.This may be the most offensive and stupidest post in this whole disaster. :yike:
Why is that stupid? Was anything there not true? Can Indians hunt all year? Yes. Is all the hunting grounds they have not good enough so they're trying to hunt hanford too? Yes. Back when they're ancestors hunted all this land did they use guns and drive motor vehicles? No. So if they are going to hunt everywhere all year like they're ancestors then why not do it just like their ancestors ? no guns. Grab a spear or bow and start hiking. The very least they could do is buy a fricken discovery pass. Why are we all paying for everything and they don't have to pay for squat?
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 20, 2011, 07:31:07 PM
I cheerish my right to hunt and enjoy quallity hunts . I have no problem buying permits and passes and applying for raffle tags it a pay to play world . I'd like to see some of the revenue generated by tribal casinos go to wards game management and not just tribal enforcement . Plat please tell me if I'm wrong in saying that the tribes dont give money to suport the game species . one said that he dosn't hunt reservation or there ceeded land , could you elaborate why not ? I know other tribes do and have had great sucess in managing there herds. why should on demographic group pay to protect there right to hunt and substain the game on state land while the other side just fights for there right to harvest the game ? please forgive my spelling and no i'm not a Marine.
Despite what you hear the casino revenue is not a free for all. The revenue generated has to have a long-term plan on how it is allocated and if a Tribe is a non-profit they have to budget the money and spend it or they are violating the allocation plan and could put the revenue in jeopardy. There are Tribes that do contribute to Game Management but you don't hear about it because a lot of Tribes aren't looking for recognition. Back to casino revenue, most Tribes aren't as fortunate as some when it comes to revenue and all allocation plans are not the same. The plan has to be negotiated within the Tribe and the State has to have say in it before it goes to the gaming commission and BIA for approvals, in other words a long process before they can spend any of it. If they don't have a plan they could face big fines and penalties.
Post by: Coastal_native on October 20, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
Indians being the greedy people they are they can't leave anything alone. All the land they can hunt all year long and its not good enough. nope they have to have hanford too. Who cares if your ancestors hunted there. They didn't use guns when they did it so why should the tribe be able to now? They also didn't have motor vehicles and electricity. Nope that all came from the white man. So instead of the tribes thinking they don't have enough and need more places to hunt be happy with what yall got.This may be the most offensive and stupidest post in this whole disaster. :yike:
Why is that stupid? Was anything there not true? Can Indians hunt all year? Yes. Is all the hunting grounds they have not good enough so they're trying to hunt hanford too? Yes. Back when they're ancestors hunted all this land did they use guns and drive motor vehicles? No. So if they are going to hunt everywhere all year like they're ancestors then why not do it just like their ancestors ? no guns. Grab a spear or bow and start hiking. The very least they could do is buy a fricken discovery pass. Why are we all paying for everything and they don't have to pay for squat?
Oh Maverick...you perfectionist you. That first post wasn't quite stupid or offensive enough so you've gone and out done yourself.:chuckle:
Sorry guys, this has been my least favorite tribal thread. I thought I'd throw in some inflammatory language for comic relief. Playful banter was never my strong suite...just thought I'd give it a try. Plat, you sure have made it easier for me to sit back and enjoy some of the funner topics of Hunt Wa...I thank you for that.
I'm trying to refrain from hitting the post button....ergggghhh...awwwww....I can't do it.
Post by: coachcw on October 21, 2011, 06:46:14 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 07:56:20 AM
Plat , thanks for the post helping to clarify it for me . I know that the mucks get tags in the yakima area and that there casinos do quite well my point is there should be give and take . I know a lot of white hunters spend money at the casnios so it would still be white mans money :) I know that there's many walls built between both sides and also believe to protect everyones hunting tribal and non we need to come together. Can I intrest you in some wolf hunting :)
Im in.
Post by: trophyhunt on October 21, 2011, 08:38:08 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 21, 2011, 08:46:45 AM
Plat , thanks for the post helping to clarify it for me . I know that the mucks get tags in the yakima area and that there casinos do quite well my point is there should be give and take . I know a lot of white hunters spend money at the casnios so it would still be white mans money :) I know that there's many walls built between both sides and also believe to protect everyones hunting tribal and non we need to come together. Can I intrest you in some wolf hunting :)
That thought has crossed my mind a few times on putting in for a wolf tag in ID. or MT. Wolf hunting legally in this area probably won't happen for awhile and I have been wanting a wolf pelt.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
The very bottom line is, what the tribes get to do when it comes hunting and fishing is WRONG. Just plain wrong, and this year the yak's are writing themselves 42 permits to kill bighorn sheep! C'mon does that make any sense to you indian's? What most of you do with exception of a very few should be posted on the evening news, which in this state will never happen. I talked with 2 indians in Idaho hunting elk this past week and they both had tags from the state and were hunting our season, wow. I found myself having the up most respect for them, giving the hunting (poaching) they could be doing and choosing not to. YOUR NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD! You think you deserve special rights, YOU DON'T. I hope you guys kill the biggest bulls in hanford, all the sheep on the mountain and draw enough attention to make the evening news. That would be sweet. I'm not being rude so don't ban me please.
You should talk to the state fish and game because to my understanding the Tribe works with the state on the sheep tags and decides how many in what areas the Tribe can kill. Maybe Plat can look into that for us.
And our rites have nothing to do with being special, Our people retained our rite to continue to hunt and fish our usual and accustom areas, We probably well kill the biggest bulls and all the sheep on the mountain i hope we don't but at that time we probably well be forced to use tags but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad. We have not learned from your mistakes by killing all the buffalo, Elk, Sheep, Antelope, salmon, pretty much anything that has not been regulated at one time you non Tribal people have decimated. So don't come on here and say its not fair or if you had unregulated hunting you wouldn't over do it, you had unregulated hunting at one point and your past shows the truth. You even tried to decimate the Indian people and were not able to do that so your ancestors made the Treaty's.
Post by: TheHunt on October 21, 2011, 09:38:18 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 09:48:52 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on October 21, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Quote
but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad.Not to :jacked:
But the Yakima herd has been REDUCED from a high of 13.000-14,000 to currently 9,000-10,000
I am not blaming anyone other than the WDFW, as that is their "Objective" but come on, how about a little "fact checking"
Quote
"The Yakima bull ratio continues to be within objective,
but had been declining . In 2010, a low
harvest resulted in relatively high numbers of yearling
bulls on the winter range, reversing the trend."
Hooray ! for the spike hunters, but what happened to the "Mature" Bulls ? :dunno:
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I'll climb back under my rock now... :stirthepot:
Post by: colockumelk on October 21, 2011, 10:44:39 AM
I read, write and review contracts and also make sure the contract is being complied with.
U must not bee good at your job. Beekuzz U R a Marine and we all no Marines cant reed or rite good. :chuckle:
Oh come on really. Not even one response or reaction? Not even one comeback or snide remark? I gave it my best, that was my A game right there and I failed. Guess I'll go away and let this thread run its course.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 21, 2011, 10:49:34 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 21, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
I'm not a historian or do I know the facts on why the buffalo and other animals were decimated but I think one reason had to do with war and we were trying to take the indian food source away. I might be wrong with that but either way, that was then. Us non indians have conformed to the way's that work in today's life, we have become educated and know what happens when you take more than you should....Waste. And frankly the only reason we didn't wipe out the tribes back then was because you were defeated, if your ancestor's would have kept fighting then I believe you would have been wiped out and we wouldn't be talking right now. I'll keep my comment about that to myself.The very bottom line is, what the tribes get to do when it comes hunting and fishing is WRONG. Just plain wrong, and this year the yak's are writing themselves 42 permits to kill bighorn sheep! C'mon does that make any sense to you indian's? What most of you do with exception of a very few should be posted on the evening news, which in this state will never happen. I talked with 2 indians in Idaho hunting elk this past week and they both had tags from the state and were hunting our season, wow. I found myself having the up most respect for them, giving the hunting (poaching) they could be doing and choosing not to. YOUR NOT ANYMORE SPECIAL THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD! You think you deserve special rights, YOU DON'T. I hope you guys kill the biggest bulls in hanford, all the sheep on the mountain and draw enough attention to make the evening news. That would be sweet. I'm not being rude so don't ban me please.
You should talk to the state fish and game because to my understanding the Tribe works with the state on the sheep tags and decides how many in what areas the Tribe can kill. Maybe Plat can look into that for us.
And our rites have nothing to do with being special, Our people retained our rite to continue to hunt and fish our usual and accustom areas, We probably well kill the biggest bulls and all the sheep on the mountain i hope we don't but at that time we probably well be forced to use tags but at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad. We have not learned from your mistakes by killing all the buffalo, Elk, Sheep, Antelope, salmon, pretty much anything that has not been regulated at one time you non Tribal people have decimated. So don't come on here and say its not fair or if you had unregulated hunting you wouldn't over do it, you had unregulated hunting at one point and your past shows the truth. You even tried to decimate the Indian people and were not able to do that so your ancestors made the Treaty's.
Post by: trophyhunt on October 21, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
in the history of our people we have never disrespected the land and the animals. Really have you driven by most reservations lately? You know the truth about wasting animals and how the land is treated on your reservations.
Post by: jackelope on October 21, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Then it comes to the Funerals, the non-native don't realize that we have to have elk and deer meat at every funeral when we put our people to rest. It's just Ignorance. I take about 3-5 bulls a year (I have a large family) I respect our animals and use every part of my animal and we as Natives take care of our meat and we don't eat beef because this is the way we were raised. But to all the Non-Natives it is the inexperienced hunter who does these things.
Why don't you kill 3-5 cows a year? Why bulls? Does the meat at your funerals have to be from bucks and bulls or can it be from does and cows?
Honest questions, not trying to bash. I think that is the big question with a lot of us. It is with me anyway.
Thanks
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 11:58:49 AM
Quotebut at this time the Yakima elk heard is still growing and is bigger than they would like so the Yakama Tribe is not hurting them to bad.Not to :jacked:
But the Yakima herd has been REDUCED from a high of 13.000-14,000 to currently 9,000-10,000
I am not blaming anyone other than the WDFW, as that is their "Objective" but come on, how about a little "fact checking"Quote"The Yakima bull ratio continues to be within objective,
but had been declining . In 2010, a low
harvest resulted in relatively high numbers of yearling
bulls on the winter range, reversing the trend."
Hooray ! for the spike hunters, but what happened to the "Mature" Bulls ? :dunno:
.............................................
I'll climb back under my rock now... :stirthepot:
2011 Game Animal Population and Hunting Information
Biologist: Jeff Bernatowicz
District/Wildlife Area: District 8
Elk: Surveys in spring 2011 showed increased populations and production. Since calves surveyed in March are spike bulls in the fall, bull harvest is expected to increase in 2011. The northern part of the District had the best recruitment.
Washington State Elk Herd Plan: Yakima Elk Herd
Category: Wildlife Research and Management - Game Management and Conservation
Date Published: December 2002
Number of Pages: 77
Author(s): Jeff Bernatowicz and George Tsukamoto
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
Reduce and then maintain the post-hunting season elk population at 9,500 animals for the Cascade slope portion of the Yakima Herd.
Reduce and maintain the Arid Lands Ecology Reserve population in the Rattlesnake Hills at a population level that minimizes damage to private lands (estimated <350 elk).
STINK Their is allot more info on WDFW Just grabbed a few for you to read.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 21, 2011, 12:00:45 PM
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 21, 2011, 12:09:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 21, 2011, 12:45:22 PM
Why not shoot some cows though, why shoot 5 bulls?
Why not shoot 2 bulls and 3 cows for example. Thats my question.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 21, 2011, 12:55:09 PM
Not bad mouthing anyone, just asking legitimate questions.
Why not shoot some cows though, why shoot 5 bulls?
Why not shoot 2 bulls and 3 cows for example. Thats my question.
And a very good one it is.
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2011, 01:03:48 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Not bad mouthing anyone, just asking legitimate questions.
Why not shoot some cows though, why shoot 5 bulls?
Why not shoot 2 bulls and 3 cows for example. Thats my question.
I cant speak for Chief but I would like to speak my opinion. I would rather shoot a spike any day you know the age of the spike and some times you cant tell on a cow. I would think that people would not have an issue of killing a spike unless you are strictly a horn hunter. If you kill a spike you kill one animal, if you kill a cow you kill many calf's for years to come. I don't hesitate to kill spikes but I cant lie if their was a monster bull next to him he is going down. On average I kill one branch bull a year.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 01:19:44 PM
one thing that I hear alot and it has nothing to do with what you posted Chiefbigbul, as I thought you said some good things...... I hear about tradtion and stuff like that. I think what irks me as the outsider is that there WEREN'T elk even here until recent years. Whites translocated them. Ceremonial rights for harvest. I may be completely misinformed, but elk weren't involved in your ceremonies in the past. Salmon and venison were. :dunno:
Bone you have taken in some of the info we put up, you are correct the most traditional families on our rez strictly only serve venison. Others take and serve what they get.
And who owns the elk, because they were wiped out and reintroduced I don't know cant answer that.
Post by: boneaddict on October 21, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 21, 2011, 01:30:53 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 21, 2011, 01:38:35 PM
More good points across the board fellas. I've already harvest my bull for the year and I'm now looking to get my father connected on an elk. I've stayed consistent with one bull and/or one buck a year with at least 2 maybe 3 females a year.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 21, 2011, 01:52:48 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 21, 2011, 02:01:12 PM
Here's an experience I wish I could've seen and heard myself. My aunt attended the Elders Day dinner this year and almost all of the Elders there were very upset (that's putting it nicely) because the meal was not comprised of traditional foods. Majority of the Elders that were at a table my aunt was sitting at refused to eat the salmon because it was not prepared correctly and didn't eat any of the meat because it was not deer or elk.
More good points across the board fellas. I've already harvest my bull for the year and I'm now looking to get my father connected on an elk. I've stayed consistent with one bull and/or one buck a year with at least 2 maybe 3 females a year.
Plateau youve been on here long enough to know that without pics its all lies and bull :crap: You know the rules PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS. :drool:
And I still can't believe you havn't responded to the Marine joke I made. Must be getting soft in your old age. :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 21, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 21, 2011, 02:14:47 PM
Here's an experience I wish I could've seen and heard myself. My aunt attended the Elders Day dinner this year and almost all of the Elders there were very upset (that's putting it nicely) because the meal was not comprised of traditional foods. Majority of the Elders that were at a table my aunt was sitting at refused to eat the salmon because it was not prepared correctly and didn't eat any of the meat because it was not deer or elk.
More good points across the board fellas. I've already harvest my bull for the year and I'm now looking to get my father connected on an elk. I've stayed consistent with one bull and/or one buck a year with at least 2 maybe 3 females a year.
Plateau youve been on here long enough to know that without pics its all lies and bull :crap: You know the rules PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS, PICS. :drool:
And I still can't believe you havn't responded to the Marine joke I made. Must be getting soft in your old age. :chuckle:
I know Colockum, I didn't respond because you're Mr. fancy pants and I didn't want to offend your new liberal ways! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: I didn't want to startle you with a comment and you spill your fancy coffee on your new white pants and golf shirt! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: New Yorkers, their all the same! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Besides I heard you were downtown on Wall St. or something like that? :dunno:
I know it doesn't count with no pictures but my personal feelings have always been to not brag or boast about what has been harvested because I harvest for sustenance and the real story behind this guy was I was following a sneaky cow just waiting for the right moment and then this big ripping bugle let out and it was game on after that! I switched targets and started pursuing him.
I'll share the pics one day, maybe, but until then he tasted real good last night! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: Coastal_native on October 21, 2011, 02:17:05 PM
“…Meantime, the boy had a human teacher as well. Probably hunting ran in families as whaling did, for there was a great deal of craft to be learned and only one’s own relatives would be willing to teach it. The older man showed his pupil what vegetation the deer and elk eat, and told how they follow it to the mountains in the summer and down to the valley in winter, grazing at every dawn and twilight. He taught them to imitate the whistling bellow of the bull elk, calling in the mating season, and sometimes made a wooden whistle which provided a fair imitation. He told him not to take fawns or young animals, for they must be allowed to grow and have young up to the height of their powers…”
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 21, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Post by: colockumelk on October 21, 2011, 03:46:52 PM
Bulls usually have more meat, so if you are looking to feed a large group of people shooting big bulls would make more sense. Plus, the herd size and growth is more dependent on cows not bulls, especially in animals with low reproduction rates. I'm referring to shooting bulls that are big in body size not necessarily antlers.
Jimmy this is not correct in reference to low reproduction rates. The smaller the bull to cow ratio the smaller the reproduction rates. The ideal bull to cow ratio is 20:100. Right now the Yakima herd is 12-15:100 and the Colockum herd is 3:100. I would rather have a tribal member shoot 2 cows and a bull then have them shoot two bulls. The problem with the Colockum is not lack of cows. In fact there is too many cows.
When the wdfw splits off that tje herd has reached their goal for numbers tjey are using those numbers because they know that 95% of hunters will buy off on that crappy and say "gee the herd is healthy good on the wdfw" meanwhile in all actuality the herds health is garbage. The bull to cow ratio is low which in turn leads to a low calf to cow ratio. (Other factors also contribute).
I also dont buy off on the BS that a spike taste better than a cow. I have yet to tell the difference. If a tribal member wants to contribute and help out in conservation save tje spike so he can grow up and shoot a cow. At least in the colockum a bull has a 100% chance that he will breed. A cow has a 1 in 3 chance she'll give birth to a calf. Pretending to be holier than thou because they shoot a spike is an insult to my intelligence. I have no qualms with someone getting a big boy. But after that shoot cows. Excersise your rights fine, I'm okay with it. Just don't go shoot. 3 or 4 more spikes. Shoot 3 or 4 cows. And yes if I was a yakima I would kill 1 bull with my bow during september and if I needed more meat the rest would be cows.
Post by: Gringo31 on October 21, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
Example: Work towards or help advise the clean up of the rez (garbage, drugs, education, teen troubles, alcoholism) etc. I'd be willing to spend my personal free time on "helping" for trade of some sea lion, pelican, wolf kill pics in Washington state. :dunno:
Post by: colockumelk on October 21, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 05:42:13 PM
And colock if you were Yakama if you saw a 400" bull during sep you said you would kill a bull so lets say that you shot it. If you saw another a month latter you are saying you would not kill it also?
One more question, maybe we should start a poll on this. Would you give up your chance to ever get a branch bull again if you were guaranteed to kill a cow elk a year?
Post by: colockumelk on October 21, 2011, 07:24:59 PM
To answer your 400" bull question. If I was a Yakama and my brother called me in a 400" bull yds I would shoot him with my bow. Then it would be my brothers turn and I would call in the other 400" bull to be shot by my brother with his bow. And yes after that it would be cows only.
Your right an 8 year old cow is not as good as a spike. So what? It still tastes Damn good. If you want to be a good steward for wildlife shoot your 1 branch bull a year, leave the spikes alone and shoot cows. I doubt anyone on here would have a problem with that. As far as your last question goes not sure what it relates to or what you mean.
Post by: aer212 on October 21, 2011, 07:39:53 PM
I said we hunters from the reservation is what I really meant, And really you always have your bad citizens that disrespect something. But I know the real hunters from the reservation are just as tired of these things as the non-native is. And me personally I enjoy watching hunting on tv but some of this younger generation grasped on to this now everybody thinks their hunters, but I understand where your coming from because all the hunting spots my family have harvested for decades in our hills have been destroyed because everybody thinks their hunters. And I agree it gets ridiculous sometimes, but also I can't go against any Yakama who decides to believe in their right. Sorry you may not agree but this is just a summary. And yes I drive the reservation and I see things you would never understand, and it's a sickness, because you believe all natives have all this money but really nobody does, and the poverty rate is unrealistic. You just wouldn't understand sir...
Isn't there any tribal laws to prevent the disrespectful from slaughtering animals and wasting them? If there aren't any maybe there should be some written up.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 21, 2011, 07:49:43 PM
Post by: biggdogg on October 21, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Post by: aer212 on October 21, 2011, 10:00:24 PM
Doesn't surprise me your from goldendale with comments like that :chuckle:
Not too sure what that means. I'm not talking about the honest guys who kill because they need it, I'm talking about the ones who kill a large bull just because they can.
Post by: colockumelk on October 22, 2011, 03:17:36 AM
ok if the state calls you and said they would give you a cow permit for life Sep1st-Dec31st. But if you take the deal you would never be able to be drawn for a branch bull ever again. What would you pic.
Not sure what relavance this has to anything but I will bite. No I would not take it. I love calling in bulls and hopefully one day I can draw a bull tag. I imagine I will have ten points before that happens. Plus I'm a bow hunter I don't need a cow tag to hunt cows.
Post by: biggdogg on October 22, 2011, 05:44:00 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 22, 2011, 07:42:51 AM
Post by: Raul Duke on October 22, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
Post by: aer212 on October 22, 2011, 12:35:47 PM
Why was my post pulled I didn't say anything are212 didn't say? I think one sided bashing sucks.
I agree one sided bashing sucks, but what did I say that was controversial?
Post by: liplocked on October 23, 2011, 10:47:41 AM
1. For the "blowing smoke" natives on here preaching about how they respect the animals. That's a far cry from the truth. Maybe a very select number do, but what about the trunk of the Oldsmobile 88 that was loaded full of Steelhead last year on a 95* day, they sat in the trunk for 3 hours at which point 1 bag of ice was thrown on them. 4 hours later i witnessed the same vehicle broke down along the road, 12 hours after that the vehicle was sitting in Richland with a sign saying fresh fish for sale. Respect????
2. How about 3 years ago when i stopped at the little fish processing plant in Dallesport, just North of the Dalles. I went inside to watch the process. After 10 minutes i asked a worker why she only processed an average of 1 in 5 Salmon. She stated the other 5 where left in the nets to long and were rotten. She then showed me an 8'x8'x40' cargo container out back that was 4 feet deep of whole Salmon and Steelhead that arrived to rotten to process. Respect????
You through the statement out that our elders will only eat wild game because that's how they were raised. Really......So that case of Keystone in the corner will surely not get drank because i know they weren't raised on it?
As for the Hanford herd of Elk...."your" people want the right to hunt it. Well i think you should hunt the ALE property. And i think you should hunt what ever was there in the 1800's. However, that excludes Elk. Those Elk were brought in from Yellowstone and if my memmory serves me right, the tribes didn't help with those expenses?
RESPECT???????
Post by: Coastal_native on October 23, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Post by: dreamunelk on October 23, 2011, 12:35:46 PM
As for the Hanford herd of Elk...."your" people want the right to hunt it. Well i think you should hunt the ALE property. And i think you should hunt what ever was there in the 1800's. However, that excludes Elk. Those Elk were brought in from Yellowstone and if my memmory serves me right, the tribes didn't help with those expenses?
RESPECT???????
Who was responsible for the eradication of the elk? Seams fair they would have to pay.
Post by: Bigtine96 on October 23, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
Honestly get lives
Post by: Tbar on October 23, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 06:17:31 AM
Ya Ya Ya same old BS we got anything new we can talk BS about. That is how all us ndn's are. Cant get anything by this guy.
Post by: colockumelk on October 24, 2011, 07:31:20 AM
I cant believe there is 34 pages of this %h^*
Honestly get lives
Yet you chose to take the time to make a post anyways. :tup:
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:08:29 AM
But I will tell you how to take care of your problem, next time you see a Native go up to him and tell him how you really feel about him and let him know you are a hateful man and you are sick of our kind. Either you'll be a man and say it or you'll just be LIPLOCKED!
Post by: kirkl on October 24, 2011, 08:13:52 AM
http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx (http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx)
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:19:19 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 08:21:27 AM
Any of you Yakima nation guys know willard maldonado? Go to the website below, its a contest for KXDD and looks like hes holding the hanford bull, hes in the red tshirt pic.
http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx (http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx)
I received the same picture not long after it was taken and several others with it. And yes it's Mr. Mass the Hanford Bull.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:27:11 AM
Post by: kirkl on October 24, 2011, 08:30:59 AM
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:35:28 AM
I knew one of the farmers would slip up sooner or later...
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 08:36:23 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 08:38:14 AM
Liplocked, the salmon story is horrible!!! for you to be smart enough to figure out the processor has to buy the salmon from the native. When they do this process they take each individual salmon out and weigh it thus figuring out the price of the salmon on a per pound basis. For you to tell me the Native is at fault is almost hilarious. See you might have been able to get that past some of your retarded buddies but not this intelligent Native. Sorry you just pointed out a wasteful non-native, thank you for that show...
That's exactly what I was thinking. People don't buy rotten fish, especially people that buy fish for a living. (Its not Gilmore's first season) They have been buying fish for as long as I can remember.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:38:43 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 08:41:52 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 08:43:22 AM
Any of you Yakima nation guys know willard maldonado? Go to the website below, its a contest for KXDD and looks like hes holding the hanford bull, hes in the red tshirt pic.
http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx (http://1041kxdd.com/biggestrack.aspx)
Wow. Looks like we found him. Can't believe he entered him into a contest... oh wait yeah I can believe it.
Post by: kirkl on October 24, 2011, 08:44:32 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 08:46:18 AM
If you noticed Willard and know who he is why are you calling him a Boy what are you about 60?
Is age an issue with you? I am entitled to my opinion as you are Yak and why are you so quick to being offended? I don't know him personally but I do know of him. Like you mentioned before it's a SMALL REZ.
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 08:46:46 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 08:48:48 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 08:50:05 AM
Just making the point you were born and raised on this small rez and have no idea who Willard is.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 08:50:59 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Post by: CedarPants on October 24, 2011, 08:56:36 AM
Age is a issue im younger and just want to be older and you all are calling him a boy makes me feel bad about myself.
If I killed a bull of that size I would still have the antlers strapped down in the back of my truck.
Only a boy would pound his chest for that long Yak :chuckle:
Sorry, couldn't resist. All in good fun :tup:
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
Age is a issue im younger and just want to be older and you all are calling him a boy makes me feel bad about myself. lol
Just making the point you were born and raised on this small rez and have no idea who Willard is.
If it hurts you that I have made my comments about him then you must be close to him or are him. I do have an idea about him because he is related to my in-laws and I tell you now I've got my opinion about him just as you do.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 08:59:48 AM
Age is a issue im younger and just want to be older and you all are calling him a boy makes me feel bad about myself.If I killed a bull of that size I would still have the antlers strapped down in the back of my truck.
Only a boy would pound his chest for that long Yak :chuckle:
Sorry, couldn't resist. All in good fun :tup:
Age is a issue im younger and just want to be older and you all are calling him a boy makes me feel bad about myself.If I killed a bull of that size I would still have the antlers strapped down in the back of my truck.
Only a boy would pound his chest for that long Yak :chuckle:
Sorry, couldn't resist. All in good fun :tup:
Thats what people keep telling me $hit. $hit $hit. lol
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 09:10:31 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 09:12:00 AM
Does anybody on this thread have any pictures of Hanford Bulls (alive). If not we need to change the name of this thread to (The Great Debate) then we wouldn't all look stupid for our topics...
Yes chief the first 8 pages are of hanford bulls alive then, about page 9 I believe is when we were first notified of "Mr. Mass" being harvested and it turned south ever since.
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 09:13:08 AM
Alll the big ones should be dead by now, so I doubt we'll be seeing anymore pics.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 09:15:53 AM
Does anybody on this thread have any pictures of Hanford Bulls (alive). If not we need to change the name of this thread to (The Great Debate) then we wouldn't all look stupid for our topics...
And this type of debate has been going on since before I became a member and I've had good long debates on here in regards to fishing, treaty rights and sovereignty issues. Over the last 10 months or so they just kind of go in a cycle and repeat themselves.
It will probably hit 40 pretty soon and you're probably right bone.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 09:19:48 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 09:28:46 AM
or you can wait like a bunch of other natives for someone to post another big buck in some ceded area or someplace familiar, let them do all the scouting for you (saves gas money you know) then go harvest that critter becasue you can.
If I wasn't working so dang much, I'd probably go find a big ram for Yak and tease him a bit. He is running out of time. :)
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 10:12:36 AM
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on October 24, 2011, 10:21:08 AM
It's a shame your the moderator for this site and you feel the way you do about Natives!!!I think that he shares about 90% percent of the same thoughts towards natives than most of our members currently. These feelings typically come from events and situations that we have all either been involved with or witnessed in our time in the field. I welcome you to this site in hopes that you can bring a different perspective in hopes that some day we can all better understand each other.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 10:28:04 AM
It's a shame your the moderator for this site and you feel the way you do about Natives!!!I think that he shares about 90% percent of the same thoughts towards natives than most of our members currently. These feelings typically come from events and situations that we have all either been involved with or witnessed in our time in the field. I welcome you to this site in hopes that you can bring a different perspective in hopes that some day we can all better understand each other.
Very well said. I concur.
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 10:29:20 AM
I disagree with the treaty and your rites. I applaud your heritage. I have no beef with the native aspect or with the people. My disagreement immediately puts us at odds in some ways, but as an outdoorsman and one buried in tradition and the outdoors, we have alot in common I am sure. Yak and I, Plat and I can banter all day long with good feelings. Many jump on here and try to shrug the issue by bringing up race, and slander, which in my heart is a bunch of crap. No matter which camp it is coming from. Its like argueing politics with your buddies. Some can handle it and some can't.
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 10:32:38 AM
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It's a shame your the moderator for this site and you feel the way you do about Natives!!!
Ummmmmm who is coming at who now. I have a feeling you just did what I described. Pulling the race card Seriously? You have no idea apparantly how I feel or who I am. Go figure.
Yak, would you like to talk to him? You know where I am at at least I hope you do.
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 10:32:48 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 10:46:40 AM
I think he shares about 90% percent of the same thoughts towards natives than most of our members currently. These feelings typically come from events and situations that we have all either been involved with or witnessed in our time in the field. I welcome you to this site in hopes that you can bring a different perspective in hopes that some day we can all better understand each other
i witnessed one of the sorriest examples of hunting ive ever seen while hunting elk on opening day of deer season in the blues. trucks parked every 100yds or so with multiple hunters in each rig getting ready to head down the hill to "hunt" more like a flush and shoot. deer never had a chance. pretty scary too.
Post by: HairTrigger on October 24, 2011, 10:51:22 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
QuoteIt's a shame your the moderator for this site and you feel the way you do about Natives!!!
Ummmmmm who is coming at who now. I have a feeling you just did what I described. Pulling the race card Seriously? You have no idea apparantly how I feel or who I am. Go figure.
Yak, would you like to talk to him? You know where I am at at least I hope you do.
Bone I take you as you don't like the rites that we have I don't think you wish bad on us but don't like what we can do and that is fine. You don't have to like it. Because of what allot of people say on this site and it slides it don't take much and Indians take what most of you say it into bashing. Because a few members all are considered Indian basher's. I think most all people on this site get a little worked up and say a few things they shouldn't I know I have.
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 10:57:31 AM
Gas is poured onto this fire everytime something like Hanford comes up, or a truckload comes out of the Clockum filled with big bulls that one group is not allowed to hunt, or will spend their life waiting for a tag and spending tons of dollars when someone can drive in and shoot them up.
YES there are strong emotions involved. YES we are probably at odds with it.
added..... Yep, I agree Yak.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 10:59:09 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 11:00:04 AM
I made a deal with myself chief that I'd let you guys banter until page 40. Then this one was going to be locked up and buried.
Alll the big ones should be dead by now, so I doubt we'll be seeing anymore pics.
Then move it. Its kinda off the Topic anyway.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 11:01:18 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 24, 2011, 11:06:57 AM
:yeah: What is a shame is the tribes right to do whatever in the woods.It's a shame your the moderator for this site and you feel the way you do about Natives!!!I think that he shares about 90% percent of the same thoughts towards natives than most of our members currently. These feelings typically come from events and situations that we have all either been involved with or witnessed in our time in the field. I welcome you to this site in hopes that you can bring a different perspective in hopes that some day we can all better understand each other.
Very well said. I concur.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 24, 2011, 11:12:33 AM
I think he runnith off at the mouth too much as he obviously doesn't know much about me. Black Angus eats just fine, and so does elk, moose, and deer and several other assorted critters. :chuckle:
Post by: HairTrigger on October 24, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
such as?
Such as someone posting pictures of a beautiful bull on federally protected lands that no one is supposed to be able to hunt and a native member walking up to it, killing it, and then getting to show it off to all his buddies and brag that he killed a huge bull. That is just one example, and a good one IMHO.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 11:16:04 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 11:18:12 AM
Post by: CedarPants on October 24, 2011, 11:32:36 AM
If I come across someone packing out a quarter and they inform me they are with so and so tribe and they just shot a couple bulls and a cow for their family way up on yonder ridge .... I'd tell them congrats and would be more than willing to offer to help them with the pack out. Someone willing to put in that much work for their family is alright by me.
If I'm nearly run off the road by a group from so and so tribe driving a blue Tacoma at nearly 50mph in the Manastash during muzzy season and pull over to let them fly past (dusting me out in the process) only to come around a corner 5 minutes later to see the truck blocking the road and all of them running around with loaded rifles pointing every which direction but safe while they chase the buck they just saw (while one of them comes over to show me his .325 round and tells me its 'his baby' and tells me his grandson shot 5 bulls last year and is going for his 2nd buck this year) ..... well, I don't have much respect for that.
At the end of the day the treaty isn't going anywhere. I don't have to agree with certain aspects of it, but I will certainly respect those doing good by it in an ethcial manner .... just as I won't respect those that give it a bad name
Post by: jackelope on October 24, 2011, 11:55:37 AM
Post by: Chiefbigbul on October 24, 2011, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: CedarPants on October 24, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
Those were good words Cedar Pants, I get you because regardless of my treaty rights I must respect if my freezers full i don't need an elk or deer. If it's not then fill it up and be done. I understand the frustration, because I have two things that take most of my hunting rights away. It's called kids and a job, so I hate anybody (no matter what race) without a job that gets to go hunting all day everyday. So trust me jealousy warranted, at least from me.
Well said sir. :tup:
Ain't it the truth about the kids and the job too
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 24, 2011, 01:09:42 PM
For me personally (and I speak only for myself), it comes down to the manner in which one chooses to exercise their treaty rights.
If I come across someone packing out a quarter and they inform me they are with so and so tribe and they just shot a couple bulls and a cow for their family way up on yonder ridge .... I'd tell them congrats and would be more than willing to offer to help them with the pack out. Someone willing to put in that much work for their family is alright by me.
If I'm nearly run off the road by a group from so and so tribe driving a blue Tacoma at nearly 50mph in the Manastash during muzzy season and pull over to let them fly past (dusting me out in the process) only to come around a corner 5 minutes later to see the truck blocking the road and all of them running around with loaded rifles pointing every which direction but safe while they chase the buck they just saw (while one of them comes over to show me his .325 round and tells me its 'his baby' and tells me his grandson shot 5 bulls last year and is going for his 2nd buck this year) ..... well, I don't have much respect for that.
At the end of the day the treaty isn't going anywhere. I don't have to agree with certain aspects of it, but I will certainly respect those doing good by it in an ethcial manner .... just as I won't respect those that give it a bad name
Yet again Cedar, more words of wisdom and yet again we are in agreement with something. You extended the gratitude to me and I will extend it back sometime as welcoming you to my camp, maybe next year if you're back in this area?
Those were good words Cedar Pants, I get you because regardless of my treaty rights I must respect if my freezers full i don't need an elk or deer. If it's not then fill it up and be done. I understand the frustration, because I have two things that take most of my hunting rights away. It's called kids and a job, so I hate anybody (no matter what race) without a job that gets to go hunting all day everyday. So trust me jealousy warranted, at least from me.
I believe we share the same feelings there Chief. Kids and a job, I love both but one more then the other.
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 01:15:02 PM
You set a good example of talking out your a$$. Where was this bull taken? What have you got that shows it was killed off hanford and not north of hanford or DNR land or permission on some land? You don't so quit talking $hitsuch as?
Such as someone posting pictures of a beautiful bull on federally protected lands that no one is supposed to be able to hunt and a native member walking up to it, killing it, and then getting to show it off to all his buddies and brag that he killed a huge bull. That is just one example, and a good one IMHO.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 24, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on October 24, 2011, 01:27:11 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
But because he was Indian he must have been drunk, used a spotlight , and didn't take anything but horns. But you guys didn't find anything did you? I know a bunch of you were looking for a dead elk. But didn't look anywhere but on hanford you didn't find anything did you?
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 24, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
Post by: CedarPants on October 24, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
For me personally (and I speak only for myself), it comes down to the manner in which one chooses to exercise their treaty rights.
If I come across someone packing out a quarter and they inform me they are with so and so tribe and they just shot a couple bulls and a cow for their family way up on yonder ridge .... I'd tell them congrats and would be more than willing to offer to help them with the pack out. Someone willing to put in that much work for their family is alright by me.
If I'm nearly run off the road by a group from so and so tribe driving a blue Tacoma at nearly 50mph in the Manastash during muzzy season and pull over to let them fly past (dusting me out in the process) only to come around a corner 5 minutes later to see the truck blocking the road and all of them running around with loaded rifles pointing every which direction but safe while they chase the buck they just saw (while one of them comes over to show me his .325 round and tells me its 'his baby' and tells me his grandson shot 5 bulls last year and is going for his 2nd buck this year) ..... well, I don't have much respect for that.
At the end of the day the treaty isn't going anywhere. I don't have to agree with certain aspects of it, but I will certainly respect those doing good by it in an ethcial manner .... just as I won't respect those that give it a bad name
Yet again Cedar, more words of wisdom and yet again we are in agreement with something. You extended the gratitude to me and I will extend it back sometime as welcoming you to my camp, maybe next year if you're back in this area?
Absolutely my friend. I would consider myself honored to be invited to your camp
Post by: liplocked on October 24, 2011, 04:32:16 PM
liplocked, welcome to the show. Another hateful person showing his real side. liplocked have you read pages 1-34 everything you said has already been said. Solutions is what we're looking for not another one of you guys... Question for you, if we stop wasting meat will all your people quit waiting til the next morning to find their meat? If my memory serves me correctly that spoils the meat... Please gut your animals in a timely fashion. We're not the only ones you see, every race has it's people that respect and disrespect. So quit putting all natives in one pot, cause I just sounded stupid by saying tell all your people to find their meat. Cause I'm not stupid enough to really think you can control that.
But I will tell you how to take care of your problem, next time you see a Native go up to him and tell him how you really feel about him and let him know you are a hateful man and you are sick of our kind. Either you'll be a man and say it or you'll just be LIPLOCKED!
Chief....this will be my second and last post on this subject. However, one last thing on RESPECT! I provided medical treatment for one of "your people" about 12 years ago. He was injured in a logging accident, i provided medical care from the scene to the hospital which involved a medivac flight. He was intabated(look up the def) and given medication to reduce his brain trauma. Once at the hospital he underwent 11 hours or surgery including a plate in his head. 4 days after surgery i stopped in to see how he was doing, he was alert and talking! I explained who i was and that i just came by to check on him. He looked at me and grunted.....no thanks?
5 years later i ran into him again at a local taxidermy shop. Again i explained who i was and that it was nice to see he had made a great recovery. Again not so much as a thank you or hand shake. RESPECT?
Please blow your peace pipe smoke the other direction, i'm not interested.
Post by: stoney4474 on October 24, 2011, 05:33:08 PM
Post by: aer212 on October 24, 2011, 06:37:32 PM
if your spending so much money on the waiting for a tag to get a "trophy" to eat just by your meat. cheaper in the long run im sure
That is not the answer. Why should we have to buy meat when natives can hunt them without a tag? Also the answer is not to make it a no tag unit because then there wouldn't be any left. Sure it would be cheaper but like I said why should we have to when another group doesn't? Basically like saying whites quit hunting and buy your meat and us natives will do all the hunting in the state.
Post by: colockumelk on October 25, 2011, 07:29:44 AM
That was a pretty ignorant statement. bigbulls
I also think its ignorant that EVERY single native I've talked to believes that it would be irresponsible and bad game managment if the WDFW let licensed state hunters have the same rules and regs for hunting as the Natives currently do, but... it is not irresponsible or bad game management for the Natives to do what they do. How ironic is that? Why is it good game managment and okay for for one group to do one thing but not okay and bad managment for the other group to do the same thing. Perhaps someone could clarify that for this ignorant dumb redneck.
IMHO this is what Spike only on the East Side has accomplished. It has given the public some great wildlife viewing. It has given the Indians more bulls and bigger bulls to shoot. It forces law abiding licensed hunters an opportunity to hunt branch bulls once every ten years. Its made the WDFW ALOT of money. It created alot of poachers. It did increase the bull to cow ratio so that is one good thing. But at the cost of what!!!! I say open it up as 3pt min or 5 pt min. If the WDFW is going to allow one group free reign on killing branch bulls and they say nothing can be done about it then screw it give the people who pay the salary for WDFW a fair and honest crack at them as well.
Post by: sirmissalot on October 25, 2011, 07:37:03 AM
:yeah:
IMHO this is what Spike only on the East Side has accomplished. It has given the public some great wildlife viewing. It has given the Indians more bulls and bigger bulls to shoot. It forces law abiding licensed hunters an opportunity to hunt branch bulls once every ten years. Its made the WDFW ALOT of money. It created alot of poachers. It did increase the bull to cow ratio so that is one good thing. But at the cost of what!!!! I say open it up as 3pt min or 5 pt min. If the WDFW is going to allow one group free reign on killing branch bulls and they say nothing can be done about it then screw it give the people who pay the salary for WDFW a fair and honest crack at them as well.
Couldn't agree with you more. Its pretty ridiculous isn't it.
Post by: slack56 on October 25, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 25, 2011, 07:53:26 AM
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 25, 2011, 07:58:43 AM
Post by: colockumelk on October 25, 2011, 08:01:58 AM
if your spending so much money on the waiting for a tag to get a "trophy" to eat just by your meat. cheaper in the long run im sure
big bulls it was your statement above. And don't worry until I've had about 2 cups of coffee I'm slow too. :) And no hard feelings. Maybe it didn't come out quite like you meant. I've made dumb comments and posts on here that didn't come out how I intended. We all have.
Post by: igotbigbulls on October 25, 2011, 08:20:33 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 25, 2011, 09:37:00 AM
:yeah:
That was a pretty ignorant statement. bigbulls
I also think its ignorant that EVERY single native I've talked to believes that it would be irresponsible and bad game managment if the WDFW let licensed state hunters have the same rules and regs for hunting as the Natives currently do, but... it is not irresponsible or bad game management for the Natives to do what they do. How ironic is that? Why is it good game managment and okay for for one group to do one thing but not okay and bad managment for the other group to do the same thing. Perhaps someone could clarify that for this ignorant dumb redneck.
IMHO this is what Spike only on the East Side has accomplished. It has given the public some great wildlife viewing. It has given the Indians more bulls and bigger bulls to shoot. It forces law abiding licensed hunters an opportunity to hunt branch bulls once every ten years. Its made the WDFW ALOT of money. It created allot of poachers. It did increase the bull to cow ratio so that is one good thing. But at the cost of what!!!! I say open it up as 3pt min or 5 pt min. If the WDFW is going to allow one group free reign on killing branch bulls and they say nothing can be done about it then screw it give the people who pay the salary for WDFW a fair and honest crack at them as well.
You all did have the same rite at one time but you all reproduce like rabbits and have proven that if you had the same rite again you would wipe out the entire herd. Its not unfair its jealousy it would be unfair if we did not reserve the rite to hunt and the Tribe did it anyway and told the Gov to piss off and ya if I was in your position hell ya I would have a issue with it but I know if you were in my position you wouldn't. You could call our rites a sale agreement, If Aaron sold 50 thousand acres of prime hunting land to one person and retained the rite for everyone that holds this little card to hunt it, Then the new owner don't like it and wants to change the agreement 20yrs down the rd. Kinda tough $hit.
Post by: Maverick on October 25, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 25, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
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Post by: PlateauNDN on October 25, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
We need to move this page it is in the running for the all time record of pages in a discussion and they are going to shut it down. lol
:yeah: Last I read it said page 40 and it was going to be locked. :dunno:
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