Hanford Bulls

[Coastal_native]

Here's an excerpt from a publication from the BIA on tribes in the Pacific Northwest.  I didn't learn how to hunt from this book.  I learned how to hunt from friends and family members that still have these same beliefs. We've always focused on mature animals.  I don't know where this notion came from that shooting spikes and cows makes us more traditional.   I thought this would have more credibility as it comes from the accounts of non-indians. 

“…Meantime, the boy had a human teacher as well.  Probably hunting ran in families as whaling did, for there was a great deal of craft to be learned and only one’s own relatives would be willing to teach it.  The older man showed his pupil what vegetation the deer and elk eat, and told how they follow it to the mountains in the summer and down to the valley in winter, grazing at every dawn and twilight.  He taught them to imitate the whistling bellow of the bull elk, calling in the mating season, and sometimes made a wooden whistle which provided a fair imitation.  He told him not to take fawns or young animals, for they must be allowed to grow and have young up to the height of their powers…”

[Chiefbigbul]

Like that one Plateau!!! 

[colockumelk]

Bulls usually have more meat, so if you are looking to feed a large group of people shooting big bulls would make more sense.  Plus, the herd size and growth is more dependent on cows not bulls, especially in animals with low reproduction rates.  I'm referring to shooting bulls that are big in body size not necessarily antlers.

Jimmy this is not correct in reference to low reproduction rates. The smaller the bull to cow ratio the smaller the reproduction rates. The ideal bull to cow ratio is 20:100. Right now the Yakima herd is 12-15:100 and the Colockum herd is 3:100. I would rather have a tribal member shoot 2 cows and a bull then have them shoot two bulls. The problem with the Colockum is not lack of cows. In fact there is too many cows.

When the wdfw splits off that tje herd has reached their goal for numbers tjey are using those numbers because they know that 95% of hunters will buy off on that crappy and say "gee the herd is healthy good on the wdfw" meanwhile in all actuality the herds health is garbage.  The bull to cow ratio is low which in turn leads to a low calf to cow ratio. (Other factors also contribute).

I also dont buy off on the BS that a spike taste better than a cow.  I have yet to tell the difference. If a tribal member wants to contribute and help out in conservation save tje spike so he can grow up and shoot a cow. At least in the colockum a bull has a 100% chance that he will breed. A cow has a 1 in 3 chance she'll give birth to a calf. Pretending to be holier than thou because they shoot a spike is an insult to my intelligence.  I have no qualms with someone getting a big boy. But after that shoot cows. Excersise your rights fine, I'm okay with it. Just don't go shoot. 3 or 4 more spikes. Shoot 3 or 4 cows. And yes if I was a yakima I would kill 1 bull with my bow during september and if I needed more meat the rest would be cows. 

[Gringo31]

There are a lot of good things on this thread, and some not so good things.  Many of the details will never likely be sorted out.  I do however wish very much that there was some working together.  We share the land and the resources on that land.  In the perfect world, we'd quit the mud slinging and do the things we are each possibly better at.......

Example:  Work towards or help advise the clean up of the rez (garbage, drugs, education, teen troubles, alcoholism) etc.  I'd be willing to spend my personal free time on "helping" for trade of some sea lion, pelican, wolf kill pics in Washington state. 

[colockumelk]

Thanks Plateau your insults made my day.  That's all I was hoping for. Now could you please teach Coastal to be funny. I've tried my best but I'm afraid he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He might need a little more help from you 

[Yak-NDN]

Colockum so you are telling  me their is no difference between a 8year old cow and a spike. You are high. I see your issue with killing spikes in the Colockum if your numbers are correct. I don't think many spikes are taken out of the Colockum other than by non Tribal members. The problem is I don't see many spikes at all after general elk season. Where did they go?

And colock if you were Yakama if you saw a 400" bull during sep you said you would kill a bull so lets say that you shot it. If you saw another a month latter you are saying you would not kill it also?

One more question,  maybe we should start a poll on this.  Would you give up your chance to ever get a branch bull again if you were guaranteed to kill a cow elk a year?

[colockumelk]

YAK for the Colockum my numbers are correct.  I agree the majority of spike kills are from Americans. But then again 90% of hunters are Americans.  I am also not a fan of spike only.

To answer your 400" bull question. If I was a Yakama and my brother called me in a 400" bull yds I would shoot him with my bow. Then it would be my brothers turn and I would call in the other 400" bull to be shot by my brother with his bow. And yes after that it would be cows only.

Your right an 8 year old cow is not as good as a spike. So what? It still tastes Damn good. If you want to be a good steward for wildlife shoot your 1 branch bull a year, leave the spikes alone and shoot cows.  I doubt anyone on here would have a problem with that. As far as your last question goes not sure what it relates to or what you mean.

[aer212]

I said we hunters from the reservation is what I really meant, And really you always have your bad citizens that disrespect something.  But I know the real hunters from the reservation are just as tired of these things as the non-native is.  And me personally I enjoy watching hunting on tv but some of this younger generation grasped on to this now everybody thinks their hunters, but I understand where your coming from because all the hunting spots my family have harvested for decades in our hills have been destroyed because everybody thinks their hunters.  And I agree it gets ridiculous sometimes, but also I can't go against any Yakama who decides to believe in their right.  Sorry you may not agree but this is just a summary.  And yes I drive the reservation and I see things you would never understand, and it's a sickness, because you believe all natives have all this money but really nobody does, and the poverty rate is unrealistic.  You just wouldn't understand sir...

Isn't there any tribal laws to prevent the disrespectful from slaughtering animals and wasting them? If there aren't any maybe there should be some written up.

[Yak-NDN]

ok if the state calls you and said they would give you a cow permit for life Sep1st-Dec31st. But if you take the deal you would never be able to be drawn for a branch bull ever again. What would you pic.

[biggdogg]

Doesn't surprise me your from goldendale with comments like that 

[aer212]

Doesn't surprise me your from goldendale with comments like that 

Not too sure what that means. I'm not talking about the honest guys who kill because they need it, I'm talking about the ones who kill a large bull just because they can.

[colockumelk]

ok if the state calls you and said they would give you a cow permit for life Sep1st-Dec31st. But if you take the deal you would never be able to be drawn for a branch bull ever again. What would you pic.

Not sure what relavance this has to anything but I will bite.  No I would not take it. I love calling in bulls and hopefully one day I can draw a bull tag. I imagine I will have ten points before that happens.  Plus I'm a bow hunter I don't need a cow tag to hunt cows.

[biggdogg]

You want to talk about wasting meat the other day i took an elk to the butcher and seen a deer that was shot three times front shoulder gut shot and some where hear the ass but didn't look like the hind quarters we hit but that's just local how many sportsmen waste meat because they can't shoot for chit, must be because u don't see it the butcher just scraps it. 

[Yak-NDN]

Why was my post pulled I didn't say anything are212 didn't say? I think one sided bashing sucks.

[Raul Duke]

Just got back from 7 days of hunting (deer). What did I miss?