Hanford Bulls

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I think they should allow a hunt kind of like they do here in Chehalis (actually Centralia mine) but allow HANDICAP or "Make a wish" foundation hunts for those that deserve the opportunity, maybe use those herds for "public" benefit.
Let Tred pay an "access" fee and film a wheelchair hunt.
as long as it is supervised and controlled, I see nothing wrong with it myself, but to have someone figure out legal loopholes just for personal gain is just wrong, be it

People not deserving like land owner tags or master hunters, or ndn's?

just to use my words in someone elses perspective...
But honestly, if there is a resource like these bulls, and they can be legally, and ethically harvested, there is nothing wrong with someone harvesting one.
BUT if it is not legal for the average hunter to pursue these animals (permit or not) then it is no different than a "High Fence" hunt, or Poaching in a watershed or National Park.

[Little Red Wagon]

 PlateauNDN
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle.  i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent.  you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.


so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride  in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.

why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and 

oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .

[grundy53]

PlateauNDN
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle.  i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent.  you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.


so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride  in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.

why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and 

oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .

God forbid one of your own has ethics! You really should ostracize him.... because you know as well as us that he makes you look really bad. Just because one of your own doesn't agree with your severely F'ed up view of hunting doesn't mean he is an apple. Just a good sportsmans instead of a piece of $#^%

[groundhog]

PlateuaNDN,
Thank you for your thoughtful responses and for looking at both sides of this issue. You should be proud of the decisions you are making in regard to where and how you hunt with your kids. It well make them better hunters and better people.

Little Red Wagon,
I think it is funny that you call PlateauNDN an apple. It reminds me that it only takes one bad apple or in this case a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. You are you own worst enemy. It is people like you that give all Indians a bad rap. Most Indians are good folks but as with any group of people there are always a few bad apples. Do you think taking all your big bulls to the Sport show and rubbing it in the faces of hunters is helping your people? What about choosing to "open the gate in the middle of the day" because "cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds". It is actions like these that fuel the fire.

Oh, and by the way this white guy has been eating spikes and cows for seventeen years because I have not drawn a special bull tag. They eat real good you should try it sometime. Oh that's right you are all about shooting as many big bulls as you can...

[groundhog]

We wont be hearing from little red wagon any time soon. He is probably sleeping it off. I noticed that his post was at 2:36AM. I hope he has a headache this morning.

[boneaddict]

I know a lot of respected natives that carry themselves with pride, and I suspect Plat would easily fit in that bill.  You don't need groundhog or me to tell you Plat, but you ARE doing right with your family.  There are good traditions and there are bad traditions, I believe yours are on the right path!

[101521]

How is the little red punk still a member here? Last time I checked the term "apple" is a racist term in regards to Native Americans...it doesn't matter what color or race you are, people can, and will have their opinions but when you start throwing out slurs on a public forum there is no place for that. 

[coachcw]

I'm really not against tribal hunting but it needs to be done for the right reasons and have there culture involved . the numbers of animals taken in a for no better use of words uncultured way is way to high . For many years our states game dept has been building the sheep herd up to huntable numbers where one actually has a chance at drawing a tag . Clemans unit has seven tags , five for the Yakima and two for the Mucks . Why should the Natives get such a large number of permits for a transplanted species? Just not good management of a herd . The Tieton gave out ten Indian permits and only holds a hand full of mature Rams , Crazy!The Yakima's have a wonderfull  area of land that they  could manage for trophy bulls and become a premier area that they could sell hunts off. Insted they choose to hunt units that our management has produced quality bulls in . That Just isn't right in my eye's  . The Image  many of us have is built from years of abuse of the resources that they have not the  color of there skin . Thank you Yakindian for making a stand , hopfully you can make a change in your tribes and other tribe views on what a opportunity you have  to make a difference in our eyes .

[PlateauNDN]

PlateauNDN
its sad that u call ur self and native. ur just trying to fit in with abunch of white guys. ur just a washington apple. red on the out side and white in the middle.  i am a whitefoot so lets hear what you have to say.. go head... apple? i dont need to climb no fence at night to hide and go shoot bulls. hell i will open the gate and go thru in the middle of the day. cant keep me out to whats my huntin grounds. you act so Innocent.  you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.


so why don't you go bash some more of your people. and yakindian we now you shot that bull and its ur ride  in the pic. just man up to it. dont be scared. Its your right to shoot the elk.

why dont white guys get cow tags to provide for there familys and get rid of all the spacial bull tags cuz there hunting for food and not the horns so they dont need bull tags they need cow tags. and then they couldn't sell the horns and and 

oh i am sorry thought you were done bashing natives... go ahead and continue .

Well Wagon, you have your opinions and I have mine.  You have your reasons and I have mine.  We obviously grew up in two different worlds and it shows.  I was born and raised on OUR Rez, and graduated here as well.  I chose my path to enter the military because that's what had been done in my previous family generations.  Is it my fault my grandparents taught me to respect the people, our traditions, our culture and our way of life?  No, it is not. 

It is not a burden, it is a privilege and honor to have learned from my grandparents and continue to learn from my last surviving grandmother who I pay my respects to all year round by taking her digging, picking, bring her salmon and bring her the best parts of my kills. 

That is the difference between you and me.  I was raised and taught with respect, integrity, honor, morals and ethics.  Take what I need and no more, share what I have because some don't have any and help without asking.  I hunt for sustenance not only for my family but again as I've stated before, my mother-in-laws household because she has a house full of girls, my parents and my grandmother.

You on the other hand have proven you don't hunt for sustenance but for sport and trophies.  If that's what you want to do then fine so be it.  I've harvested bulls and bucks but, more cows and does because the meat taste better and I wasn't raised to hunt for sport.

I was raised by my grandparents teachings and that's how I'm teaching my children and if you don't like it then tough S#%t, I could care less what you think.  Obviously you don't have children and if you do you probably don't have them or raise them so you wouldn't understand what being a FATHER is.

You want to call me out on here and use slanderous terms then go ahead because it doesn't solve anything and you're just adding to the stereotype of ignorance.  I joined this site to give an opinion from a different point of view because some on here prior to me were not representing us in a civil and professional manner and painted a bad picture of us all.  At least now there is a better understanding of how some of us conduct ourselves. 

I stated it before and I'll state it again.  I take my family everywhere, I teach them what was taught to me, we dig, fish, pick and hunt as a family.  Everything we do is in the Ceded Lands because that is our right and if we don't practice our traditions and customs in there then we have the potential to lose them.  I have not hunted the Rez in many years, I have not gathered on the Rez in many years, I haven't fished the Rez in many years and I haven't picked the Rez in many years because the Ceded Land is our land as well and until I'm gone I will continue to exercise my rights in the Ceded Lands.

Like me or hate Wagon I could care less and there is one thing we at least share in common, all my sources still keep pointing to YakNDN being the boy in the picture holding the antlers next to the excursion and the one that killed it.  I don't know unless he comes out and says who he really is then we'll never actually know and have to take his word on it not being him.

[boneaddict]

 

[Pinetar]

WOW! I have been following this thread since it started, kept my mouth shut and haven't said a word but now I feel like it is time.

Well said PlateauNDN. You are welcome in my camp anytime.

[blacktailer]

you act so Innocent.  you so quick to throw names out there but ur scared to tell your name.. its ok . your just scared you wont fit in with your new Friends. apple.


Hey there Little Red Riding Hood.  You are quick to bash Plat.   If you're so proud of yourself and your native rights, why don't you post your name on here along with a picture of yourself/vehicle.    I am gueesing you might be a little "scared" yourself.  I'm thinking a little local justice might help sort things out in a hurry

[270Shooter]

He said he was a whitefoot... on a side note i was in harrah last saturday and walking out of the store it smelled like rutting bull elk. I wonder....

[jackelope]

Hey Whitefoot--How many "sustenance" bulls did you take to the sportsmens show last year to be scored for the books?

I really want to lock this thread but the reason I haven't is because I was hoping for a post like PlateauNDN's last one. Good show, sir....you have my full respect for what it's worth.

[boneaddict]

Same here Jack.  I like it when people represent themselves.