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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2007, 11:04:17 AM »
The whole subject of Native/Indian rights is certainly very emotional and volatile.  I've been reluctant to chime in because it gets me pretty riled up. 

I'm a fair man and I try to respect the culture and history of everyone I know.  That doesn't mean I don't have faults nor am I immune from prejudice (no one is).  But having said that I can tell you regardless of what injustices happened to anyone or anyone's family the old adage 2 wrongs don't make a right still holds true.  There is certainly alot to admire about Indian culture, as there is with all cultures.  But there's also things to deplore as there is with all cultures. 

All I can say is it's a damn shame that we're in the 21st Century and there is whole segment of American society that have legal privileges that exceed those of the rest of the citezens.  Screwing the majority to try and compensate the few for injustices they experienced over a century ago really makes no sense.  It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with common sense.  I would feel just the same regardless of the group.  No one deserves to have more legal privilege in the USA than anyone else... end of story.

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2007, 07:29:54 PM »
Good points. They get all the game, all the clams, all the fish. We should open season on Casinos.
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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2007, 07:43:50 PM »
I never have been in one of their casinos and never will.  It would be like telling them I approve of their rape of the resources.
What a shame the whale they killed took 10 hours to die.  Such humanitarians.

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2007, 07:58:12 PM »
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What a shame the whale they killed took 10 hours to die.  Such humanitarians.

I don't agree with dual rights and all the benefits they get, but the slow death was not their fault. The article I read said that the Coasties would not let them finish it off and were the ones to let it sink.




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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2007, 09:58:40 AM »
I am not sure what the final hours were about, who caused it and why the 10 hour dying period.  Bottom line.  They made an illegal kill in the first place.

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2007, 06:43:04 PM »
This is where I get into troube as I feel it should be one nation/one rule as well.  I get darn right upset about this whole thing. 

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2007, 07:37:13 PM »
You are right.  The judge's have read more into the treaty than what is really in there.  I have a copy of the treaty.  Here we are upset about the rules and the fact they made a kill on an animal that we have found to be intelligent and family oriented.
Now the damn japs are going to kill 50 of them, against international rules.  And the beat goes on.,

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2007, 05:30:26 AM »
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This is where I get into troube as I feel it should be one nation/one rule as well.  I get darn right upset about this whole thing. 

I do as well...once the cork pops..it all spills out until I have said my piece..and then I am po'd for the rest of the day.




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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2007, 07:43:04 PM »
Go shoot something.......... It helps.
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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2007, 09:30:07 AM »
You are right.  The judge's have read more into the treaty than what is really in there.  I have a copy of the treaty.  Here we are upset about the rules and the fact they made a kill on an animal that we have found to be intelligent and family oriented.
Now the damn japs are going to kill 50 of them, against international rules.  And the beat goes on.,
TOKYO (AFP) - Japan came under a storm of criticism Monday for going ahead with its largest whale hunt yet, with Australia's resurgent opposition calling for the military to be brought in.
Defying warnings from its Western allies that it would inflame an emotional row on whaling, Japan on Sunday sent its fleet to the Antarctic Ocean. The hunt will include famed humpback whales for the first time.
A ship of Greenpeace environmentalists tried -- so far in vain -- to track down the six-vessel whaling fleet as Australia, Britain and New Zealand all condemned the catch.
Japan, which argues that whale meat is part of its culture, plans to kill 950 whales on the five-month mission using a loophole in a global moratorium that allows "lethal research" on the giant mammals.
Australia's opposition Labor Party, which is leading in polls ahead of national elections Saturday, said it would send out the navy to track the Japanese whalers and take video footage if it takes power.
"We really need to rattle the cage here," Labor's foreign affairs spokesman Robert McClelland said.
"It's unacceptable that it's not only going on, but getting worse."
Prime Minister John Howard said while "I totally disagree" with Japanese whaling, he opposed bringing in the military.
"What, is he going to shoot them?" Howard asked.
"Mr McClelland knows darn well that what he is suggesting is an empty gesture, that what we should be doing is continuing to pursue diplomatically and with whatever legal mechanisms are available to us."
Hideki Moronuki, the whaling chief at Japan's Fisheries Agency, also cast doubt on the threats by Australia's opposition.
"The whaling research which Japan is conducting is 100 percent based on the International Whaling Commission charter, so dispatching the military against it is impossible," Moronuki told AFP.
The environmental group Greenpeace's Espernaza ship was also trying to find the fleet to shoot footage but said that the whalers had turned off identification equipment.
"They're playing a little hard to get," Greenpeace activist Dave Walsh told AFP by satellite telephone from aboard the Esperanza in the Pacific Ocean.
"If they're so confident they were doing the right thing, they shouldn't have anything to hide, but obviously they do," he said, pledging Greenpeace would find them eventually.
The more militant Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has vowed to take to the waters next month to physically stop the hunt.
During the last expedition, Sea Shepherd activists threw bottles of chemicals at the whalers in hopes of disrupting them, leading Japan to denounce anti-whaling activists as "terrorists."
Humpback whales, protected under a 1966 worldwide moratorium after years of overhunting, are renowned for their complex songs and acrobatic displays.
The humpbacks' slow progression along Australia's coast to breed has turned into a major tourist attraction bringing 1.5 million whale watchers a year.
The Japanese whaling chief said that the fleet was not targeting humpback whales.
"Japan doesn't have a specific position on humpback whales. They are a fisheries resource as much as any other whale and when it is scientifically proven that there are enough resources, we conduct sustained research," Moronuki said.
Only Norway and Iceland openly defy a 1986 moratorium on commercial hunting of all whales.
Japan argues that it abides by the agreement but makes no secret that the meat from the hunt goes on dinner plates.
In New Zealand, Prime Minister Helen Clark said: "We don't like the Japanese whaling fleet being down there at all."
"It would just be better if the Japanese stayed home and didn't come down under the guise, the deception, the claim that it is scientific whaling when they want to take a thousand whales," Clark said.

This article seems to make the Makah's kill a little trivial.  I'm not condoning what they did and it trully sickens me that they continue hunting whales but there is a much bigger problem than these 5 guys.  They hopefully will be punished for violating federal law.  What's going to happen to the Japanese that kill 1000 whales for their finacial benefit?  Probably nothing >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2007, 05:56:54 PM »
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This article seems to make the Makah's kill a little trivial.  I'm not condoning what they did and it trully sickens me that they continue hunting whales but there is a much bigger problem than these 5 guys.  They hopefully will be punished for violating federal law.  What's going to happen to the Japanese that kill 1000 whales for their finacial benefit?  Probably nothing

Yes, I agree. One is nothing compared to that. But what pisses me off is the real reason for the Makah killing. It was more about pushing boundaries and sovereignty then eating or selling a whale.




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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2007, 08:31:53 AM »
Honestly, and I will burn for this.  I could careless about the whales (not entirely true) as I read this and it was pretty darn upsetting, and I hope Japan gets stopped.  Its the in our face, you can't touch me becaus eI'm an Indian attidtude that really pisses me off.  I'm better than you and have the right to do whatever I want because I'm a soveriegn nation.  Well then....why are my tax dollars funding YOUR *censored*.  Build your roads, take care of your alcohol dependent childeren, etc.  You want to live by soveriegn rules.  Then you stay on your little Rez, and if you want to come off, get a passport.  Your kids want to go to MY STATE COLLEGE, then pay out of state tuition.  you are starving to death, then get your welfare from your timber money.  You want to be an American like the rest of us, then disavow your soveriegn a$$ and become one of us.  You are welcome to the same fruits and rights we are.  You can't live by our constitution yet claim yours.  Its not about heritage etc, or ways, or anything like that.  ITS A GIMME PROGRAM JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER .........

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2007, 09:47:57 AM »
I agree completely!  The tribes are decimating the elk herds and NO ONE will stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! 
There are too many people watching "Dances with wolves" and still feeling bad for the poor treatment of indians 100+ years ago.  It's past time to wean them off the free $ and education and (most of all) the free wildlife!
Check Ebay for trophy antlers if you think I'm exaggerating. 

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2007, 10:16:35 AM »
I said all of this some time ago but no one has what it takes TO stand up and do anything. I asked who would be willing to stand with me and it got quiet real fast so I have been working on this on my own. I don't know if anything will ever become of it, but at least when I gripe, I can do so knowing I tried to do something about it. It is like voting, you can't gripe about the way things are if you didn't vote.

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Re: Makah's do it again!!!
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2007, 11:22:40 AM »
What are you working on, and what kind of assistance are you looking for?
Erich with an H

 


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