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Offline Ridgeratt

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2020, 04:20:17 PM »
The wedge and the ranchers within are ground zero for the wolf fight in Washington, it's where it all started, where the very first wolves were killed igniting a firestorm.

As such it got very political and the ranchers came under heavy scrutiny.  One screwup and the state would love to get even, and make an example out of them.

That fight is still underway.

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Some of the Cattlemen were told that if there was a shot wolf the weapons they had would have been rounded up and had ballistic tests done on them looking for suspects.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2020, 04:27:13 PM »
Empty threat w/o a court order, not disputing that the threat was made, only the validity of it.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2020, 04:32:29 PM »
The wedge and the ranchers within are ground zero for the wolf fight in Washington, it's where it all started, where the very first wolves were killed igniting a firestorm.

As such it got very political and the ranchers came under heavy scrutiny.  One screwup and the state would love to get even, and make an example out of them.

That fight is still underway.

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Some of the Cattlemen were told that if there was a shot wolf the weapons they had would have been rounded up and had ballistic tests done on them looking for suspects.

I am sure tons of ranchers would gladly exchange an old rifle that somehow ended up in the bottom of pond for protection of their livelihoods.  :twocents:
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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2020, 04:50:44 PM »
The real truth is the things are hard to hunt (poach)

They cover ground quickly, hide in brush too thick to see through, and always know where you are.

And if you did manage to get 1 or 3 there's more to take their place

As I've said from the very beginning, it's not worth it to stick your neck out to poach 1 or 3 or even more wolves and still have your calves getting attacked and trying to dodge the state looking to set an example of you, drag your name through the mud, and do a big facebook post congratulating themselves on ruining you for defending your stock which I think we all should have the right to do proactively.

Better option is political, raise awareness and turn the tide of public sentiment until you have meaningful management while defending your stock legally. (Caught in the act)

We've come a long long ways, even here on the forum not too many years ago a lot of you were all for the wolves being here, now most here want strong management of them not for cattle so much, but for elk and deer, which is still a win for cattlemen.



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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2020, 04:53:26 PM »
The real truth is the things are hard to hunt (poach)

They cover ground quickly, hide in brush too thick to see through, and always know where you are.

And if you did manage to get 1 or 3 there's more to take their place

As I've said from the very beginning, it's not worth it to stick your neck out to poach 1 or 3 or even more wolves and still have your calves getting attacked and trying to dodge the state looking to set an example of you, drag your name through the mud, and do a big facebook post congratulating themselves on ruining you for defending your stock which I think we all should have the right to do proactively.

Better option is political, raise awareness and turn the tide of public sentiment until you have meaningful management.

We've come a long long ways, even here on the forum not too many years ago a lot of you were all for the wolves being here, now most here want strong management of them not for cattle so much, but for elk and deer, which is still a win for cattlemen.



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I agree and my comment was not meant for the rancher to actively seek out killing a wolf but if the opportunity came about in defense of his property he/she would do it.
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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2020, 05:49:59 PM »
The wedge and the ranchers within are ground zero for the wolf fight in Washington, it's where it all started, where the very first wolves were killed igniting a firestorm.

As such it got very political and the ranchers came under heavy scrutiny.  One screwup and the state would love to get even, and make an example out of them.

That fight is still underway.

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Some of the Cattlemen were told that if there was a shot wolf the weapons they had would have been rounded up and had ballistic tests done on them looking for suspects.
Wouldn’t the bullet have to be recovered for them to do a ballistics test? I would think that most high powered rifle bullets would pass through the animal. Not advocating one way or the other.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2020, 06:31:14 PM »
The real truth is the things are hard to hunt (poach)

They cover ground quickly, hide in brush too thick to see through, and always know where you are.

And if you did manage to get 1 or 3 there's more to take their place

As I've said from the very beginning, it's not worth it to stick your neck out to poach 1 or 3 or even more wolves and still have your calves getting attacked and trying to dodge the state looking to set an example of you, drag your name through the mud, and do a big facebook post congratulating themselves on ruining you for defending your stock which I think we all should have the right to do proactively.

Better option is political, raise awareness and turn the tide of public sentiment until you have meaningful management while defending your stock legally. (Caught in the act)

We've come a long long ways, even here on the forum not too many years ago a lot of you were all for the wolves being here, now most here want strong management of them not for cattle so much, but for elk and deer, which is still a win for cattlemen.



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Unfortunately by then most of the elk and moose will be gone and the deer hunting will be abysmal

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2020, 06:57:15 PM »
Ya. Agree

Deer/Elk/Moose will pay the price, and so will hunters. (and cattle)

We're loosing opportunities at alarming rates and it'll only accelerate, nothing is being done to stop or slow the decline.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2020, 12:56:57 AM »
Guys I'm never going to say this agaain for many reasons.   And I'm not actually saying it so hahaha   Patriots don't talk about crap like this online..  They just take care of the problem....   I'm hoping to awake'n the masses.  Nobody but you is gonna fix this crap now.  Ever.   Make it go away.  For you, your buddy and his cattle, washington tax payers....  Last you'll hear from me on this..   It's simple.....   Just make it go away.   God bless...
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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2020, 09:31:41 AM »
The wedge and the ranchers within are ground zero for the wolf fight in Washington, it's where it all started, where the very first wolves were killed igniting a firestorm.

As such it got very political and the ranchers came under heavy scrutiny.  One screwup and the state would love to get even, and make an example out of them.

That fight is still underway.

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Some of the Cattlemen were told that if there was a shot wolf the weapons they had would have been rounded up and had ballistic tests done on them looking for suspects.

Be interesting to know who told the cattlemen that because its BS.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2020, 11:20:08 AM »
Guys I'm never going to say this agaain for many reasons.   And I'm not actually saying it so hahaha   Patriots don't talk about crap like this online..  They just take care of the problem....   I'm hoping to awake'n the masses.  Nobody but you is gonna fix this crap now.  Ever.   Make it go away.  For you, your buddy and his cattle, washington tax payers....  Last you'll hear from me on this..   It's simple.....   Just make it go away.   God bless...

You probably don't understand the function of a forum, then. Patriots discuss many things with each other online, regardless of whether they take action into their own hands. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2020, 08:09:34 AM »
The real truth is the things are hard to hunt (poach)

They cover ground quickly, hide in brush too thick to see through, and always know where you are.

And if you did manage to get 1 or 3 there's more to take their place

As I've said from the very beginning, it's not worth it to stick your neck out to poach 1 or 3 or even more wolves and still have your calves getting attacked and trying to dodge the state looking to set an example of you, drag your name through the mud, and do a big facebook post congratulating themselves on ruining you for defending your stock which I think we all should have the right to do proactively.

Better option is political, raise awareness and turn the tide of public sentiment until you have meaningful management while defending your stock legally. (Caught in the act)

We've come a long long ways, even here on the forum not too many years ago a lot of you were all for the wolves being here, now most here want strong management of them not for cattle so much, but for elk and deer, which is still a win for cattlemen.



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In 2009 when a bunch of "new" wolves migrated to the Valley, the first thing they did was kill a cow and new calf, calf was never found. I went and talk to the guy that owned the cow/calf, I begged him to turn it into WDF&Wolves, I told him we needed his stock confirmed, it would help with wolf control/management. He was going to take care of the problem himself, the year before wolves had killed one of his mules. So he turned it into WDFW, WDFW and the USFWS showed up, and then ran to the local paper and lied their asses off. We had a trail cam on the cow after she was found, according to inside info. Fitkin pulled all the wolf pictures off the card, and just left the cow and investigators. Getting wolf predation confirmed has been a battle from the start, so your idea of "Better option is political, raise awareness and turn the tide of public sentiment" doesn't work that well with a state loaded with people and agencies who love wolves more then cows.

In the Okanogan and other counties in Wa, ranchers and rural folks are taking care of their own problems without pulling the trigger, and as I have said before WDFW are happy with the arrangement as they are not bothered with having to pretend to give a damn about their wolves killing cows or confirming wolf packs etc., plus the fact they know at this point there will never be a shortage of wolves in WA.

Waiting for public opinion to change anything on wolves in this state is a losing issue, too many pro-wolf people  connected to the fake environmentalists, WDFW etc. drown out any common sense management/change. I look at it this way-these wolves were illegally introduced into the lower 48, they have and are causing untold damage hardship to livestock and the people. Protect your livestock, livelihood any way you can. Remember the wolves were not released and then protected because they were endangered or to benefit the ungulates or the people, just the opposite, they were brought in to end hunting and ranching, and put a hardship on rural communities. When you have skin in the game, and are losing livestock, WDFW won't confirm or even give a half ass try at solving the problem, then your thinking and methods change in reflection...If we we had the "game Department" of old, we wouldn't even be having these discussions. :twocents:

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2020, 11:45:14 AM »
Xylitol.   :twocents:

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2020, 12:11:37 PM »
Even with a clandestine harvest, there will be at least 2 or more to take the place of each one eliminated.  Until drastic measures are adopted, we will see a continuing increase in wolves, even with a hunting season which we all know wont happen any time soon.

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Re: WDFW passes on culling Wedge wolf pack
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2020, 03:14:03 PM »
Xylitol.   :twocents:


And a few others...



Even with a clandestine harvest, there will be at least 2 or more to take the place of each one eliminated.  Until drastic measures are adopted, we will see a continuing increase in wolves, even with a hunting season which we all know wont happen any time soon.

The USFWS started the bogus numbers game for wolf increases per year, WDFW pull whatever number out of the air every year to downplay WA wolf numbers, remember when WDFW said WA wolves only grew by one wolf  over a year? They only have to impress the uninformed or those who spew the same lies WDFW push, and of course the fake environmentalists and their followers back WDFW to the hilt.


"Although Mech eventually refuted the “Balance-of Nature” theory he and his mentor, Durward Allen, foisted off on the world during 1958-1962, he has generally remained silent while similarly inexperienced fledgling wolf biologists supply misinformation about wolf populations to the media. But the April 28, 2008 legal challenge to state wolf control by Defenders of Wildlife and eleven other preservationist groups in a Federal Court in Montana forced Mech to make public some of the facts he and other FWS wolf activists have known all along.

As part of the FWS May 9, 2008 Response to Plaintiffs’ Motion for a Preliminary Injunction (to halt wolf management by the three states) Mech wrote the following in his 22-page “Declaration under penalty of perjury:”

“Every year, most wolf populations almost double in the spring through the birth of pups [Mech 1970]. For example in May 2008, there will not be 1,500 wolves, but 3,000! (Wolf population estimates are usually made in winter when animals are at their nadir*. This approach serves to provide conservative estimates and further insure that management remains conservative).”

(*lowest point)

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