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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2022, 10:09:36 AM »
We will never get the true numbers from the yakama tribe on harvest numbers, never! Some members know of real numbers, and it makes them sick. And Iím only talking about the yakama tribe, other tribes manage better than the WDFW.
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2022, 10:21:43 AM »
Looks like they did.  Unfortunately.

If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation?  Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle.  Also did Bernie make that proposal  or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
do you think itís several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd?  If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2022, 12:00:05 PM by Limhangerslayer »

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2022, 10:29:18 AM »
He knows heís wrong, but he also knows we canít prove it either way.
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2022, 10:39:15 AM »
Looks like they did.  Unfortunately.

If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation?  Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle.  Also did Bernie make that proposal  or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?

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The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is dedicated to preserving, protecting, and perpetuating the stateís fish, wildlife, and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.

Hard to say they are doing that with the herd in question, that's the issue in my mind.  They aren't preserving and protecting and are not providing a sustainable recreational opportunity as clearly evidenced by their population estimates and tag allocations.

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2022, 08:11:04 AM »
Looks like they did.  Unfortunately.

If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation?  Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle.  Also did Bernie make that proposal  or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
do you think itís several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd?  If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.
The management scheme is one chosen by the state to provide opportunities and quality so I would look at the aggregate numbers.  I'm also still curious if Bernie said/ proposed something or if my memories are correct and it was read too the commission as rooted in public input.  Also where is the communication breakdown to the justification? It was pretty clear that they "found" part of the herd.

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2022, 09:10:38 AM »
Looks like they did.  Unfortunately.

If WDFW is given the choice between having to confront an issue or reducing the available tags, nobody is going to lose money on a bet which they will take.
Define issue to confront. Is there a set allocation?  Also if you'd like to wager I'll take the state harvest is several fold the tribal. And if there is a concern is there a disconnect between Bernie and Kyle.  Also did Bernie make that proposal  or did Brock read it as a public comment that they responded to?
do you think itís several fold in just the mature bull category in the Yakima and Clockum herd?  If you do, I can guarantee your dead wrong there.
The management scheme is one chosen by the state to provide opportunities and quality so I would look at the aggregate numbers.  I'm also still curious if Bernie said/ proposed something or if my memories are correct and it was read too the commission as rooted in public input.  Also where is the communication breakdown to the justification? It was pretty clear that they "found" part of the herd.

Was it on the NE corner of the Yakima Firing range where many had guessed, but the WDFW couldnt get a flyover permission during the count?
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2022, 08:36:18 PM »
I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area.   Not elk they are vastly different .
The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great.  Numbers are down as the eye test shows

 Numbers are down vs when?
5, 10, 15 years ago.  Every year there are less and less.  My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail.  No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2022, 11:35:34 PM »
I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area.   Not elk they are vastly different .
The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great.  Numbers are down as the eye test shows

 Numbers are down vs when?
5, 10, 15 years ago.  Every year there are less and less.  My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail.  No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.


 Please provide documentation that backs up your claim.
 
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2022, 05:30:33 AM »
Don't take the bait.

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2022, 06:08:29 AM »
I was referencing white tail DEER tags in the blues area.   Not elk they are vastly different .
The whitetail in the blues and the foothills aren't doing that great.  Numbers are down as the eye test shows

 Numbers are down vs when?
5, 10, 15 years ago.  Every year there are less and less.  My drives you use to have to dodge whitetail.  No in the same trip you are lucky to see a dozen.


 Please provide documentation that backs up your claim.
Well it's time to settle up guys.
Honest ,deer numbers are down across the whole state.
I'm assume you guys are talking about district 3.
I've made a chart that is harvest totals for district 3 ,whitetail,mule deer,female,male, don't matter.
This is total deer harvested and reported to lay in the dirt.
At first look ,it looks like about 2500 would be a good target average for harvest. 2020 did hit that target average ....but...
Everybody needed that deer in the freezer that year.
Looks to me it is on a downward trend.


With all that said ,you guys needs to give me two laps around the track and a tall boy . For the settlement of this issue.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2022, 06:19:46 AM »
Hard to make an assumption on any heard health based on harvest stats. You would need to cross-reference to available permits, harvest restrictions, land closures etc...

It's like saying Yakima bull elk numbers are down because only 100 bulls where killed, without also acknowledging that permits where slashed and half of the area was closed because of fire danger.

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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2022, 06:38:38 AM »
I'm just throwing the chart out there.
Look at it any way you like. Those are the numbers of deer harvested.
Lots of factors
Permits
Regulations
Environmental factors
Hunter behavior trends
Whatever.
At the end of the day ,those are the numbers.
Like you could say a good average harvest might be 2000.
And make it all look ok.
From 2013 to now ,it does look downward.
I don't hunt this area,I don't have boots or eyes on it.
So I'm just trying to help you all with the numbers.
General harvest numbers down means population down.
As long as amount of people hunting it stays about the same each year.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2022, 06:48:09 AM by hunter399 »
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Re: 2022 Hunting proposals adopted by the commission
« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2022, 08:04:49 AM »
WDFW has herd population numbers showing a decline (at least for elk).  We can argue how accurate they are, but they have a population estimate based on many things in addition to harvest data.

I believe I saw them in the annual hunting prospect reports for each region.

 


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