Hunters need to make a Statement

[Boss .300 winmag]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

No Republican will ever be good enough for the moderates in this state it’s been proven.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7ddQs7vg0

[bearpaw]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

No Republican will ever be good enough for the moderates in this state it’s been proven.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7ddQs7vg0

Yup, just like they also preach about reaching across the isle until elected!

[KFhunter]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

Uh huh, and what was wrong with Culp?


I can tell you what was, and is, wrong with Inslee. 

[bearpaw]

I think its a massive mistake to to simplify this down to an R or D issue...and I think alienating moderate democrats is the worst possible thing we could do in this state.  And if you think everything would be fine simply by replacing all D's with R's...take a look at how bad the Montana Republicans tried to screw Montana hunters earlier this year...and how they did screw NR DIY hunters last year. 

Nice how you frame your narrative. Your hatred for outfitters has been noted many times. I'll remind you that outfitter tags were taken away a few years ago from outfitted hunters and outfitters. DIY hunters only gained at the expense of outfitted hunters. So nothing was really taken away from DIY hunters.

Your hatred of DIY hunters has been noted many times.  You are right, Montana voters, by ballot initiative ended outfitter set asides in ~2011(?).  Then in the dark of night Republican reps and the Governor basically brought them back with their new point scheme.  Bottom line - don't give me this BS that D's are all bad for hunting and R's are all good.  There were a crap ton of hunters in Montana this year that came unglued when the R governor and his appointees tried to screw public land hunters.  Politicians from both parties need watched as both can try and screw hunters...so enough of this BS that one party is pure and good and the other is evil...as far as I'm concerned they are all bad, some less bad than others depending on the issue and circumstance and so hunters/voters should never blindly support one political party over another.   

I have no hatred for DIY hunters, unlike you I think there is room for both, I don't want to eliminate the other like you do. The rest of your gibberish I never commented on! This is why hunters can't get together, some like you are not willing to meet in the middle, its got to be all for your benefit!

I have 0 hatred for outfitters.  There is absolutely room and need for both.  You favor government handouts for public resources and I personally favor free markets/capitalism.  Gibberish...yes, I understand its highly inconvenient for you to discuss facts that don't support your statement that R's are all good for hunting and D's are all bad.  My guess is the average participant in your forum knows enough about what's been going on in MT to see through the bs the R's leadership pulled/attempted to pull...even if you'd rather not discuss it.

You made a statement that tags were taken from DIY hunters, it was misleading and actually untrue over the long term, tags were actually taken away from outfitted hunters and given to the DIY. Outfitted hunters didn't get those tags back, what outfitted hunters got was an additional preference point in the process and hopefully that helps the industry. What has really made it harder for DIY hunters as well as outfitted hunters to get tags are all the services promoting the tag process in the western states to DIY hunters, that has greatly increased the DIY demand for tags. I'm not saying these services shouldn't be allowed, I'm just clarifying what has actually taken place over the last decade!

I'm still laughing about your comment that I hate DIY hunters, I maintain this forum for DIY hunters, dude you really need to step back and think before spouting! I'm very often a DIY hunter myself, I must hate myself by your account!     

[hunter399]

As far as voting goes .... You reep what you sow.
The out of state hunting ..... Washington is to blame for some of it. Other states are looking out for there residents first. And giving the advantage to there residents.
I see no harm in that.
It's turned to pay to play ,it's gonna cost ya ,if you want to double dip your potato chip in multiple states.

[pickardjw]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

Personally would have liked to have seen Joshua Freed as the R candidate against Inslee. I'm not a political buff by any means but he seemed like the guy with more of a chance. Maybe it was just because Culp was the favored R candidate but I read wayyy more bad press about him. Still voted for Culp in the main election but it was a foregone conclusion by then.

[KFhunter]

Freed didn't win the primary though. 

[HunterStrait]

I think pointing fingers and blaming other hunters becuase we have a *censored*ty governor/president isn't going to help anything becuase in the end its going to affect literally everyone who hunts.
I think the biggest fault is that we don't have term limits for state governors and Inslee has been in power for far too long, and he lacks any sort of awareness of what is important in our wildlife management.

I don't think shaming people for not voting red is okay.
its like the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" kind of crap. I wouldn't want a republican wackjob in office any more than a Democrat wackjob.

[Humptulips]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

Uh huh, and what was wrong with Culp?
 

Hate to say it but Culp was from the wrong side of the State. Viewed by too many as a yokel from the sticks.

[KFhunter]

I think pointing fingers and blaming other hunters becuase we have a *censored*ty governor/president isn't going to help anything becuase in the end its going to affect literally everyone who hunts.
I think the biggest fault is that we don't have term limits for state governors and Inslee has been in power for far too long, and he lacks any sort of awareness of what is important in our wildlife management.

I don't think shaming people for not voting red is okay.
its like the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" kind of crap. I wouldn't want a republican wackjob in office any more than a Democrat wackjob.

I disagree, they need their noses rubbed in it like a dog that crapped on the carpet.  A dog that just can't learn to not crap on the carpet.  I'm sick of it, I'm sick of this 'reach across the isle' crap because its only empty words.  I don't care about terrible R's in other states, I don't care to argue about whataboutism, or strawmen or any of that crap. 
Dems have utterly screwed this state, not R's.    Seattle was a nice place when we had a Republican governor, it's been in steady decline ever since. Have dems in Washington made this state better the last 20 years?   Then why keep voting for them?  It's literally insanity to keep voting the same way and expect to get something different. 

[KFhunter]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

Uh huh, and what was wrong with Culp?
 

Hate to say it but Culp was from the wrong side of the State. Viewed by too many as a yokel from the sticks.

Of course he was,  media in Seattle said so, its gotta be true.

What was it they were saying, hold your nose and vote for Inslee? Something like that

It didn't have to be Culp, but he won the primary, anyone other than Inslee...was not Inslee!

[baldopepper]

And the moral of the story is that if you continue trotting out guys like Culp you'll continue being governed by guys like Inslee.

Uh huh, and what was wrong with Culp?
 

Hate to say it but Culp was from the wrong side of the State. Viewed by too many as a yokel from the sticks.

Of course he was,  media in Seattle said so, its gotta be true.

What was it they were saying, hold your nose and vote for Inslee? Something like that

It didn't have to be Culp, but he won the primary, anyone other than Inslee...was not Inslee!

You realize that with no term limits Inslee is very likely to run again. Hopefully the R's will realize that running another candidate who thinks he can ride Trumps coat tails to victory in this state Is suicide.  I promise, many democrats are hoping a Culp clone is the opposition again. Please come up with a viable alternative.

[KFhunter]

I don't care who runs against Inslee, except for extreme examples (Hitler gets resurrected and runs for WA governor) they gonna get my vote!

Warm bag of dog feces...I'm voting for it!


Tetm limits are a non-starter, neither R nor D want term limited. 

I don't either, I'd rather have intelligent voters!!
(Not gonna get that either)

[KFhunter]

Culps biggest positive was he wasn’t Inslee!

Dems voted Biden because he wasn't Trump, why can't we e do the same?

[huntnnw]

Don't we have fewer overall hunters than the heydays of the early 90's?   

Too many hunters isn't the problem, I rarely bump into them.  The problem is hunters being corralled in smaller spaces due to road closures and dwindling access, and less game due to lack of predator management. 

habitat? like the carpet of trees they dont log? solid timber is not great habitat. Ill take burns where they dont log
I don't see many other hunters either, the road closures are keeping them condensed into smaller areas. You and I both agree KF that roads we used to travel are blocked off. This leads to slower fire response times and that reduces habitat when it burns. Will take several years for it to come back.