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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2024, 07:03:04 AM »
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2024, 08:37:22 AM »
Looks like 2 separate HOWL messages, one for cougar season setting another for science based seasons for bear and cougar. Similar but it’s good to get more messages to commission even if they don’t read them.
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2024, 12:37:18 PM »
"7 recent cougar sightings in Vancouver and the WDFW accredits them to human expansion. Let's say that is true, ignoring the prohibition on hounding and the lack of action by the Commission to curb the trend. You can either choose to cull the human population or the cougar population. This is a statewide problem with both cougars and bears, yet the Commission majority not only doesn't change policy, it seeks to make it more restrictive. Human/cougar conflict will only increase and the Commission will be responsible and liable for the resulting injuries and deaths. Figure out your job and start doing it please.

https://local.newsbreak.com/clark-county-wa/3469075465541-7-recent-cougar-sightings-in-clark-county-3-livestock-killed?s=dmg_local_email_bucket_6.web2_fromweb"
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2024, 08:26:38 AM »
Done. Glad I saw this. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2024, 10:58:37 AM »
Saw this article in the Seattle Times, so just another reminder to get those comments in:

Proposed WA cougar-hunting regulations are good science; support them
South of Sequim on May 8, 2021, we caught a 2-year-old female cougar as part of the Olympic Cougar Project and fitted her with a GPS collar. We used her data to determine where cougars are most likely to cross highways and to contribute to Washington’s Statewide Habitat Connectivity Strategy.

Yoko, as we called her, lived on the outskirts of town, navigating rural properties and recreation areas. She gave birth to two litters, the first of them just 200 yards from a popular parking spot for hikers and mountain bikers on Burnt Hill.

In documenting 100 of her kills, we learned that while weaving among the people, pets and livestock of southern Sequim, Yoko mostly fed on deer, along with coyote, raccoon, snowshoe hare and one domestic cat that ventured onto public land.

It’s unclear what changed on April 12, 2024. Perhaps the play of moonlight on white fur caught her attention. That night, Yoko killed an alpaca unprotected by adequate fencing or a night enclosure — an animal she had passed many times in previous years. The angry livestock owner demanded retribution, and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife removed not just Yoko, but her two 1-year old kittens as well when they were caught in a trap at the scene.

Right now, WDFW hunting regulations do not account for their deaths, because only adult cougars legally killed by hunters count toward regional hunting quotas. Yoko didn’t count because she was killed by WDFW, and her kittens didn’t count either, because they were young.

This month, the Fish and Wildlife Commission is attempting to close these loopholes, and others, through much-needed changes to Washington’s cougar hunting regulations. Washingtonians who wish to preserve wildlife and wild places, and see greater science-based management and conservation of our state’s natural resources, should support these proposed rules.
Time is of the essence: Express support for proposed changes as the WDFW Commission discusses public comment during their June 21-22 meeting, and will vote July 19. (To comment, go to st.news/cougar)

A glaring hiccup in the current quota structure is that it fosters an environment prone to overharvesting cougars, which impacts their abundance and social organization. In fact, the Olympic Cougar Project has found that 50% of local cougar mortality remains unaccounted for in management decisions because these animals are killed by the state, illegally poached or die from vehicle strikes.

If the new rules are adopted, all independent cougars (18+ months old) and all cougars killed by humans, whether they be legal hunters or state wildlife officials, will contribute to Washington’s regional hunting quotas. The new rules would also utilize cougar density estimates determined by WDFW to set regional hunting limits, specifically capping local mortality at 13% of independent animals in each population. In regions that reach the 13% cap before the start of the cougar hunting season — say, due to conflict removal by state agents — the cap would increase to 20% of the population for that season to provide local hunting opportunity.

These changes would also make Washington home to the most scientific and progressive cougar harvest regulations nationwide, and a model for states like Texas, which after decades of resistance has finally made headlines in granting mountain lions, or cougars, their first-ever protections. 

The deaths of Yoko and her two kittens didn’t “count” toward Washington’s hunting quota this year. But if the proposed rules succeed, WDFW might and should pause — so as not to jeopardize hunting opportunity — before killing the next Yoko and her kittens.

Mark Elbroch is the Puma Program director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization.

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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2024, 11:42:00 AM »
Saw this article in the Seattle Times, so just another reminder to get those comments in:

Proposed WA cougar-hunting regulations are good science; support them
South of Sequim on May 8, 2021, we caught a 2-year-old female cougar as part of the Olympic Cougar Project and fitted her with a GPS collar. We used her data to determine where cougars are most likely to cross highways and to contribute to Washington’s Statewide Habitat Connectivity Strategy.

Yoko, as we called her, lived on the outskirts of town, navigating rural properties and recreation areas. She gave birth to two litters, the first of them just 200 yards from a popular parking spot for hikers and mountain bikers on Burnt Hill.

In documenting 100 of her kills, we learned that while weaving among the people, pets and livestock of southern Sequim, Yoko mostly fed on deer, along with coyote, raccoon, snowshoe hare and one domestic cat that ventured onto public land.

It’s unclear what changed on April 12, 2024. Perhaps the play of moonlight on white fur caught her attention. That night, Yoko killed an alpaca unprotected by adequate fencing or a night enclosure — an animal she had passed many times in previous years. The angry livestock owner demanded retribution, and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife removed not just Yoko, but her two 1-year old kittens as well when they were caught in a trap at the scene.

Right now, WDFW hunting regulations do not account for their deaths, because only adult cougars legally killed by hunters count toward regional hunting quotas. Yoko didn’t count because she was killed by WDFW, and her kittens didn’t count either, because they were young.

This month, the Fish and Wildlife Commission is attempting to close these loopholes, and others, through much-needed changes to Washington’s cougar hunting regulations. Washingtonians who wish to preserve wildlife and wild places, and see greater science-based management and conservation of our state’s natural resources, should support these proposed rules.
Time is of the essence: Express support for proposed changes as the WDFW Commission discusses public comment during their June 21-22 meeting, and will vote July 19. (To comment, go to st.news/cougar)

A glaring hiccup in the current quota structure is that it fosters an environment prone to overharvesting cougars, which impacts their abundance and social organization. In fact, the Olympic Cougar Project has found that 50% of local cougar mortality remains unaccounted for in management decisions because these animals are killed by the state, illegally poached or die from vehicle strikes.

If the new rules are adopted, all independent cougars (18+ months old) and all cougars killed by humans, whether they be legal hunters or state wildlife officials, will contribute to Washington’s regional hunting quotas. The new rules would also utilize cougar density estimates determined by WDFW to set regional hunting limits, specifically capping local mortality at 13% of independent animals in each population. In regions that reach the 13% cap before the start of the cougar hunting season — say, due to conflict removal by state agents — the cap would increase to 20% of the population for that season to provide local hunting opportunity.

These changes would also make Washington home to the most scientific and progressive cougar harvest regulations nationwide, and a model for states like Texas, which after decades of resistance has finally made headlines in granting mountain lions, or cougars, their first-ever protections. 

The deaths of Yoko and her two kittens didn’t “count” toward Washington’s hunting quota this year. But if the proposed rules succeed, WDFW might and should pause — so as not to jeopardize hunting opportunity — before killing the next Yoko and her kittens.

Mark Elbroch is the Puma Program director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization.

Wow,just wow.
Maybe these conservation organizations should provide livestock enclosures that are cougar proof.
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2024, 12:28:17 PM »
The article used the term “greater science-based management.” 

Let’s come up with the definition:

Arm chair biology?
Passion science?

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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2024, 12:44:11 PM »
It's the Seattle times. What would you expect from a fish wrapper?
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2024, 01:31:38 PM »
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our state is run by morons and the Seattle times is contributing
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2024, 01:37:17 PM »
its going to take a kid getting mauled or worse
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2024, 03:28:01 AM »
Well that Seattle Times story about made me puke.....  Yoko and her kittens please....  This tells me that the commission is worried and they don't have the public support they were counting on.  Our comments must out number theirs to write a story like that.  I am holding my breath our season doesn't change.
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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2024, 08:47:58 AM »
:yike:
our state is run by morons and the Seattle times is contributing
so frustrating

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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2024, 01:20:32 PM »
I know it doesn't seem to matter much, but today is the last day to comment on the proposed changes at https://publicinput.com/2024cougarseasonsetting

The antis have submitted a lot of comments...

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Re: COUGAR COMMENT TIME
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2024, 01:50:50 PM »
Commented. I read through the last 100 or so comments, about 75% are in support, and 8 of those directly cite the seattle times article as their source of information or motivation for commenting.

These are people who are completely disconnected from life in places not covered in concrete or asphalt, who couldnt tell you how many cougars were harvested last year (198) but have no problem asserting that whatever that number is is FAR too high to be sustainable. They bare false witness without shame, and all it takes is a single opinion piece + the people who do know better to stand aside, and just like that the comments get flooded and reasonable wildlife management is lost forever.

The commission isnt actually reading the responses, they have somebody tally opposition vs approval and report the totals. You dont need to write a story. Simply clicking the link and commenting "oppose" is enough to make a positive difference.
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