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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2025, 03:56:55 PM »
School districts (and others) who count on timber revenue for funding should take him to court. We have lots of forest service and state parks that are being neglected as it is. DNR lands are intended to be logged in a sustainable harvest manner. Of everyone who ran he was my last choice

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2025, 05:24:59 PM »
School districts (and others) who count on timber revenue for funding should take him to court. We have lots of forest service and state parks that are being neglected as it is. DNR lands are intended to be logged in a sustainable harvest manner. Of everyone who ran he was my last choice
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It'll be really interesting when it comes to funding and McCleary. The state has continually fallen short especially in the rural districts that depend heavily on DNR harvest.  Robbing Peter to pay paul with the calculator strained resources and put even more need to harvest the older stands.  Again It'll be elected blaming elected one blaming McCleary and the other blaming failing the trust.  In the end some enviros will be happy and the kids will pay the price.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2025, 06:53:19 PM »
Log it or it’s going to burn
Not many wildfires in western WA where most DNR timber is

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Tell that to all the people in Western WA who have had homeowners' insurance double or more, or worse canceled all together because they now live in "high fire danger" areas! It's happening all over after the last two summers! The desire to promote the "climate change" narrative is hurting thousands.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2025, 06:03:46 AM »
Log it or it’s going to burn
Not many wildfires in western WA where most DNR timber is

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Tell that to all the people in Western WA who have had homeowners' insurance double or more, or worse canceled all together because they now live in "high fire danger" areas! It's happening all over after the last two summers! The desire to promote the "climate change" narrative is hurting thousands.

Those are dots few seem to connect...Good point!

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2025, 08:09:59 AM »
Being a sportsball referee does not make a person qualified manage forests. I worked for many years as an audio engineer and I know when people need to be muted. What does that make me qualified for?


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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2025, 08:32:22 AM »
Being a sportsball referee does not make a person qualified manage forests. I worked for many years as an audio engineer and I know when people need to be muted. What does that make me qualified for?


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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2025, 08:44:32 AM »
Log it or it’s going to burn
Not many wildfires in western WA where most DNR timber is

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Tell that to all the people in Western WA who have had homeowners' insurance double or more, or worse canceled all together because they now live in "high fire danger" areas! It's happening all over after the last two summers! The desire to promote the "climate change" narrative is hurting thousands.
@Birdguy I believe this is not based on a climate change narrative but on the wui zone done by usfa, some of those are probably in western WA. This is happening nationally by insurance companies.  On the flip side the fire scientists have been incredibly accurate on risk assessment and recognition of mismanagement, climate change as well as continuing human encroachment.  Fema needs to step in and provide fire insurance as society continues to ignore risks.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2025, 09:45:33 AM »
Wait until they start justifying taxes to maintain roads that lead to the local yuppy trailhead. Roads that would have been well maintained as part of a road package in a nearby timber sale that produced revenue for the public schools. The same roads used by firefighters for fighting fire. Its almost like a bunch of people learned how to manage forests through experience and schooling and built a large infrastructure that is used for many different purposes while sustainably producing revenue. These are roads that would have never existed if it weren't for forest management.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2025, 10:12:46 AM »
Wait until they start justifying taxes to maintain roads that lead to the local yuppy trailhead. Roads that would have been well maintained as part of a road package in a nearby timber sale that produced revenue for the public schools. The same roads used by firefighters for fighting fire. Its almost like a bunch of people learned how to manage forests through experience and schooling and built a large infrastructure that is used for many different purposes while sustainably producing revenue. These are roads that would have never existed if it weren't for forest management.
This has been happening for two decades in whatcom county,  while education dollars continue to come up short.  DNR  has little to say when a county wants to do this depending on type of land they are managing. 

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2025, 11:32:54 AM »
Log it or it’s going to burn
I agree

I promise ya,mill pays bottom dollars on burnt logs.
They love burnt logs,they make a killing.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2025, 12:19:35 PM »
He is such a good Democrat!  :bash:
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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2025, 12:58:52 PM »
Wait until they start justifying taxes to maintain roads that lead to the local yuppy trailhead. Roads that would have been well maintained as part of a road package in a nearby timber sale that produced revenue for the public schools. The same roads used by firefighters for fighting fire. Its almost like a bunch of people learned how to manage forests through experience and schooling and built a large infrastructure that is used for many different purposes while sustainably producing revenue. These are roads that would have never existed if it weren't for forest management.
This has been happening for two decades in whatcom county,  while education dollars continue to come up short.  DNR  has little to say when a county wants to do this depending on type of land they are managing.

I'm talking specifically about the road package that is included in each sale. The work is done by the purchaser, it's often extensive and usually includes a lot of maintenance all the way out to the pavement. Without the sale, that work disappears.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2025, 04:42:14 PM »
Wait until they start justifying taxes to maintain roads that lead to the local yuppy trailhead. Roads that would have been well maintained as part of a road package in a nearby timber sale that produced revenue for the public schools. The same roads used by firefighters for fighting fire. Its almost like a bunch of people learned how to manage forests through experience and schooling and built a large infrastructure that is used for many different purposes while sustainably producing revenue. These are roads that would have never existed if it weren't for forest management.
This has been happening for two decades in whatcom county,  while education dollars continue to come up short.  DNR  has little to say when a county wants to do this depending on type of land they are managing.

I'm talking specifically about the road package that is included in each sale. The work is done by the purchaser, it's often extensive and usually includes a lot of maintenance all the way out to the pavement. Without the sale, that work disappears.
Not disagreeing but when it's happening by the 1000s of acres it discounts the impact of promotion of developing more late successional as proposed by the current commissioner.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2025, 11:36:20 AM »
This group is behind all of this.  They brag about suing the DNR.
https://www.wlfdc.org/
They basically are suing for every sale that is in the pipe.  I've seen some of these sales personally.  Its just typical DNR 2nd growth!  Of the 100 acre sale only about half is actually being logged, but they still claim it is all clearcut.  All the creeks have big buffers and any left-over old growth is protected, even single trees.  But they post pictures of (protected) old trees then scream clearcut.  This policy is ultimately bad for the environment long term and the species that prefer older forests, as their lawsuits/policies force the DNR and private timberland all into a 40 year rotation.  Companies like Port Blakely (that grow 60+ wood) will switch to a short rotation since all the mills that saw bigger wood will have to close. 

And right now, each bidder on these public sales is reducing their bid prices because they have to include a huge new cost: LAWYERS.  That's less money to counties/schools right off the top and it is already happening.

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Re: New DNR Public Lands Commissioner Halts Some State Land Logging
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2025, 03:48:31 PM »
This group is behind all of this.  They brag about suing the DNR.
https://www.wlfdc.org/
They basically are suing for every sale that is in the pipe.  I've seen some of these sales personally.  Its just typical DNR 2nd growth!  Of the 100 acre sale only about half is actually being logged, but they still claim it is all clearcut.  All the creeks have big buffers and any left-over old growth is protected, even single trees.  But they post pictures of (protected) old trees then scream clearcut.  This policy is ultimately bad for the environment long term and the species that prefer older forests, as their lawsuits/policies force the DNR and private timberland all into a 40 year rotation.  Companies like Port Blakely (that grow 60+ wood) will switch to a short rotation since all the mills that saw bigger wood will have to close. 

And right now, each bidder on these public sales is reducing their bid prices because they have to include a huge new cost: LAWYERS.  That's less money to counties/schools right off the top and it is already happening.
about as spot on as you can get!
go ahead on er.

 


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