Unknown Suppressors - Whisper Pickle

[pickardjw]

Anyone else going to pick up an Unknown Suppressors Whisper Pickle when they come out this summer? Most of the info about them is spread out between podcasts, Rokslide posts, and other social media.

Synopsis: 8" reflex (4" in front of barrel, 4" over the barrel), titanium printed can with two ID options for thinner/thicker barrel profiles, threaded 5/8-24, sub 140db (think they're already hitting mid 130's hoping to get a little lower through prototyping) and a lot of focus on tone to eliminate the higher pitch "ting" in a lot of Ti cans. Designed and printed in Post Falls, ID.

Price point is going to be $999.

https://unknownsuppressors.com/
https://www.instagram.com/unknownsuppressors/

Prototypes - https://www.instagram.com/p/DGs75YkxuNf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

They haven't really specified distribution. @dreadi if you're able to get some I know myself and a buddy are in for one each, maybe a couple other guys.

[Karl Blanchard]

Hard pass for me.

[Sundance]

I think a tabletop review would be interesting, 4" of can that wraps the barrel is odd. Maybe they are using it for the blast chamber by diverting gas backwards along the barrel? I'd want to know how many baffles, is it a flow through design or tradition cones with clips, also looks to have a small distal end. Get that reviewed by Pew Science and Joey Longo and see where it stacks up.

Also, not much of an original name, 50% of the Form1 22 cans are probably named Whisper Pickle, I know I've got one. 

[Macs B]

The Brits use a similiar design in large caliber huntiing rifle suppressors.  They are typically an equal length over the barrel as beyond the muzzle.  Makes for a much more compact system.

[Sneaky]

Hard pass for me.

Curious why?

[pickardjw]

Hard pass for me.

Any particular reason Karl? Haven't seen many "opposing" viewpoints (maybe the wrong phrasing there), so I'm interested in any drawbacks that I might not be considering. The only two I think I've seen are guys running thick profile carbon barrels and the potential for issues with removing a stuck can (which they've said they'll create a tool for).

I'm putting a 6 creed together next and like the idea of keeping a few extra inches of barrel length without sacrificing overall rifle length.

I think a tabletop review would be interesting, 4" of can that wraps the barrel is odd. Maybe they are using it for the blast chamber by diverting gas backwards along the barrel? I'd want to know how many baffles, is it a flow through design or tradition cones with clips, also looks to have a small distal end. Get that reviewed by Pew Science and Joey Longo and see where it stacks up.

Also, not much of an original name, 50% of the Form1 22 cans are probably named Whisper Pickle, I know I've got one. 

The OTB design is popular in Europe, NZ, etc. The only American version I'm aware of is the AB Raptor w/ reflex. Difference here is it's not a separate module, the OTB portion is printed with the forward-of-the-barrel portion of the can.

Correct, the OTB portion allows for more space for gas expansion. Not sure on the baffles. If it's sub-135db I'm not sure I care that much. Looked again and they're already close to 130db. Definitely not flow through, it's a bolt gun hunting focused can.

They're testing with their own purchased audio equipment for now but will likely have it tested by Pew and/or entered in the TBAC Suppressor Summit testing. They've got some gripe with Pew with the pay-to-play nature and proprietary ranking system.

[Sundance]

Hard pass for me.

Any particular reason Karl? Haven't seen many "opposing" viewpoints (maybe the wrong phrasing there), so I'm interested in any drawbacks that I might not be considering. The only two I think I've seen are guys running thick profile carbon barrels and the potential for issues with removing a stuck can (which they've said they'll create a tool for).

I'm putting a 6 creed together next and like the idea of keeping a few extra inches of barrel length without sacrificing overall rifle length.

I think a tabletop review would be interesting, 4" of can that wraps the barrel is odd. Maybe they are using it for the blast chamber by diverting gas backwards along the barrel? I'd want to know how many baffles, is it a flow through design or tradition cones with clips, also looks to have a small distal end. Get that reviewed by Pew Science and Joey Longo and see where it stacks up.

Also, not much of an original name, 50% of the Form1 22 cans are probably named Whisper Pickle, I know I've got one. 

The OTB design is popular in Europe, NZ, etc. The only American version I'm aware of is the AB Raptor w/ reflex. Difference here is it's not a separate module, the OTB portion is printed with the forward-of-the-barrel portion of the can.

Correct, the OTB portion allows for more space for gas expansion. Not sure on the baffles. If it's sub-135db I'm not sure I care that much. Looked again and they're already close to 130db. Definitely not flow through, it's a bolt gun hunting focused can.

They're testing with their own purchased audio equipment for now but will likely have it tested by Pew and/or entered in the TBAC Suppressor Summit testing. They've got some gripe with Pew with the pay-to-play nature and proprietary ranking system.

It's a cool concept, personally I would wait for some data to come out and a year or two of actual field use by everyday people. The suppressor bandwagon has gotten out of control with all the new companies popping up, some I've seen are one step away from an Alibaba kit (not saying this company is that). I'm not flush enough to take a flyer on a new idea/concept, thus I've been sticking with companies I know or just tinkering with homemade designs and playing with progressive spacings and mixing cup designs.

[Mtnwalker]

I'll let the market be the test dummies before I jump on the new product bandwagon. I know UM says they'll test the heck out of them but they also tend to announce products wayyyy in their infancy and rush to market. If they are as good as they say and getting good reviews after a year or so then maybe. Plus they'll probably be sold out in perpetuity like the rok stocks

[Karl Blanchard]

Hard pass for me.

Curious why?

multitude of things.  First off, I'm a HUGE Unknown Munitions fan. I love that they innovate,  I love that they have what I want in stock, and their customer service is top notch. Heck I drove 50 min out of my way Saturday to go there. Got some vihtavouri powders, tikka rings and levels, a new 6mm funnel, and 7prc brass for my 25-7prc project.

With that said, their track record for testing products hasn't been great. The hinged rings were a massive fail, a book could be written about the rokstock roll out, etc.  I'm never gonna be the first to jump in on any of their new releases.

As for this suppressor. Their priority is and has been from the beginning been tone and length. My personal opinion on length is its way over sensationalized.  NEVER ONCE has overall barrel length been a hindrance for ME. I don't want a can on a 26" barrel but a 20 or 22 with 6" of can just isn't a factor for ME on packability, balance, or handiness.

Of my 3 priorities for a suppressor, tone is last. Recoil reduction and suppression are higher priorities for ME. There's no free lunch with suppressors imo. You can only do so much with a certain overall volume on a can. Baffle designs play a role but at the end of the day, it's all volume based. Shoot a raptor 8 without reflex then screw on a raptor 4 or even 6 with a reflex and you're gonna pick the 8 every time imo.

Personally I hope this can lives up to the hype. Time will tell. Till it's thoroughly vetted I'll stick to my raptor 8's. They check all my boxes at the same price point.  Hope that clarified my previous statement. 

P.S. still waiting on my rokstock

[pickardjw]

Good points, I'm definitely concerned with rollout given the Rokstok debacle. I'm hoping to pick up a couple railed tikka stocks in the next drop...And optimistic that going with the sister company fabrication setup vs a 3rd party fabricator with Stocky's and no pre-order will help. Not familiar with the hinged ring product failure.

I'm confident enough in their CS for this particular product to be a guinea pig. And with Form's involvement in the design I'm also confident that it will perform as promised.

I'll have an AB A-10 7.72, Nomad Ti, and maybe some others through buddies to compare it against. If all goes according to plan and I get one by July I'd be happy to organize a range day or two if people want to check it out. They had a few at the La Grande NRL event, might be attending more of those with them.

[Sneaky]

all valid points. The rokstok thing is a total nightmare. I don't feel the need to replace my TBAC ultra 7 or omega 300's. I do see where the over the barrel design could be a fun thing to have. Necessary? not at all. Lots of other gear to buy

[Karl Blanchard]

Good points, I'm definitely concerned with rollout given the Rokstok debacle. I'm hoping to pick up a couple railed tikka stocks in the next drop...And optimistic that going with the sister company fabrication setup vs a 3rd party fabricator with Stocky's and no pre-order will help. Not familiar with the hinged ring product failure.

I'm confident enough in their CS for this particular product to be a guinea pig. And with Form's involvement in the design I'm also confident that it will perform as promised.

I'll have an AB A-10 7.72, Nomad Ti, and maybe some others through buddies to compare it against. If all goes according to plan and I get one by July I'd be happy to organize a range day or two if people want to check it out. They had a few at the La Grande NRL event, might be attending more of those with them.

I ordered a non railed during the Feb drop of 100. Cheaper to just add a rail and I figured since they said they had 60 ready to go I could get one quick. I'm thinking those 60 must have been a myth because I've yet to see anyone claim they've received one from that order.  I'm fully expecting to be way underwhelmed by it but I needed a stock, and haven't shot a rokstock yet so needed to feed my own curiosity.  Should have just ordered a McMillan mountain tracker LR as I think it's gonna be a better stock overall. The rem 700 one sure is awesome.

[pickardjw]

Good points, I'm definitely concerned with rollout given the Rokstok debacle. I'm hoping to pick up a couple railed tikka stocks in the next drop...And optimistic that going with the sister company fabrication setup vs a 3rd party fabricator with Stocky's and no pre-order will help. Not familiar with the hinged ring product failure.

I'm confident enough in their CS for this particular product to be a guinea pig. And with Form's involvement in the design I'm also confident that it will perform as promised.

I'll have an AB A-10 7.72, Nomad Ti, and maybe some others through buddies to compare it against. If all goes according to plan and I get one by July I'd be happy to organize a range day or two if people want to check it out. They had a few at the La Grande NRL event, might be attending more of those with them.

I ordered a non railed during the Feb drop of 100. Cheaper to just add a rail and I figured since they said they had 60 ready to go I could get one quick. I'm thinking those 60 must have been a myth because I've yet to see anyone claim they've received one from that order.  I'm fully expecting to be way underwhelmed by it but I needed a stock, and haven't shot a rokstock yet so needed to feed my own curiosity.  Should have just ordered a McMillan mountain tracker LR as I think it's gonna be a better stock overall. The rem 700 one sure is awesome.

I think I've seen some reports of guys getting stocks from the Feb. drop. It's such a mess though, hard to keep track of. The trinity rail is too enticing as I prefer the Spartan over shooting off a pack and shoot off the tripod occasionally.

[Karl Blanchard]

Yeah I've got nothing arca so it doesn't appeal to me.

I think the only stocks shipping was that drop of actual in stock stocks they did a few weeks after the Feb order. That one really annoyed me as I'd have just waited and ordered one of those.

[MtnMuley]

The AB style over the barrel design is the biggest plus for me. If I decide to justify another suppressor,  it will be that design.