Anyone have a FN Five-seven?

[jaymark6655]

specs on a 22 mag
2000 feet per second with a 30gr bullet

5.7x28
2133 feet per second with a 30gr bullet

Are those 22 mag number from a rifle or can a pistol push that fast?  Also, would like to point out that velocity has a huge affect on energy since that term is squared.  Very interesting thought though, might be a cheaper option.

[cwuwildcat]

someone on here has one. cant remember who. they are cool, just way expensive.

My guess is Biggerhammer, with all the stuff he's been buying lately.  He seems to have a couple of everything!

[jrebel]

I get that overpenatration is a concern...however in the case of the movie theater shooting, penetration is exactly what would have been needed.  The shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest so a round that penetrates is the round that seems to be the best option.  Or a .45 that carries enough ke to knock him on his butt.  I have heard that the 5.7 will penetrate a tactical vest as long as there is no ballistic plate???  I have not confirmed this, but if it true the 5.7 would be a great round for active shooter situations.   

[jaymark6655]

I get that overpenatration is a concern...however in the case of the movie theater shooting, penetration is exactly what would have been needed.  The shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest so a round that penetrates is the round that seems to be the best option.  Or a .45 that carries enough ke to knock him on his butt.  I have heard that the 5.7 will penetrate a tactical vest as long as there is no ballistic plate???  I have not confirmed this, but if it true the 5.7 would be a great round for active shooter situations.   

Yeah that is kind of my thinking here and yeah I am second guessing my carry gun.   Other option is just keep shooting the guy until you get lucky or his armor breaks down.  If nothing else, the hits he takes would hurt like hell or break bones.

[firefighter4607]

I have heard that the sceret service is using them also but I don't think a block of clay is comparable to a human chest cavity or stomach area. I am just telling you what I have heard. As I said I would pack one, but not in the woods. 20 rounds would put a hurt on anyone.

[NW-GSP]

The rounds that the secret service uses are steel core for going through body armor. As you have probably guessed they are not available to the public

[actionshooter]

I have one and they are a blast  to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. 

[jaymark6655]

I have one and they are a blast  to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. 

Why wouldn't you carry it?

[actionshooter]

I have one and they are a blast  to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. 

Why wouldn't you carry it?

I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
 I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
 The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.

[jrebel]

I have one and they are a blast  to shoot. Blow squirrels up pretty good, but I wouldn't use mine for carry purposes. There are way better guns for that. 

Why wouldn't you carry it?

I'm in the big bullet=energy, stopping power camp. The 5.7 will work, but is it the best carry gun/round?
 I also believe if you are going to carry there is some personal responsibility. You have to think about legal the ramifications of actually using 5.7 for self defense.
 The prosecutor is going to hang you buy your sack for using a 5.7 as a personal defense gun. The pistol "looks" like "assault" pistol and was designed for military use.
The other thing is, if you do use it and even if its a justified shooting. Your not going to get it back.

Not sure I agree with you on this one action shooter.  1911 .45 acp is a combat tested and used pistol that was made with the military in mind as well.  If you shoot someone you will be scrutinized regardless of the bullet size and make / model of your firearm.  Justified or not you will probably not get your firearm back.  With that being said I carry a Kimber that cost way more than the 5.7.  It is worth losing if it saves my life.  I want something reliable so when the time comes (if ever it comes) I and the gun can perform.  The 5.7 is an expensive gun and round, but it does have pros....it carries 21 rounds and it has low recoil.  If you like the firepower this thing can deliver and it is a reliable piece, I say go for it.

I personally like my .45.   

[hillbilli]

I have shot the FN, and the p91 carbine version.. I pass on it as a defensive  weapon because its only redeeming feature is the armor penetrating ability (but wait, you cant get that ammo) an dcapacity, at least with a 9 or .40 or .45, I know what it will do in flesh, and it wont get smaller when it hits.. So hit them with a .22magnum rifle ballistics, or .40?
My .40 holds 14, my 9 holds 17, and 13rd .45 's are not rare.. hell i've even seen some of the european 9mm AP rounds.. probably be easier to get ahold of those than the 5.7 AP if a fellow was serious..

[wraithen]

Someone who pours their own ammo can probably make AP ammo pretty easily. I dissected one once. It was 7.62 NATO and it's just a tiny steel spike inside the lead. FMJ is pretty slick at getting through this but I've worn the type of gear the theater guy was wearing. It's got tags all OVER it that say it will NOT stop rifle ammunition, and most won't stop the faster handgun rounds. The soft vest he was wearing was most likely also not rated for rifle ammunition, that generally requires some bulky plates. So there are plenty of ammo choices around if that's your cup of tea. You won't find much ammo that will penetrate the ceramic plates. The ones I wore were good for several .50 cal hits and supposedly the system would stop at least one AP spike.

Back to the topic, I say if you want to carry a FiveSeven then go for it. I'd let them keep a 5k gun if the thing saved my butt just once. Consider that a sound investment. I wouldn't mind carrying that pistol except for the over penetration concern, but I'm sure there will be some creative ammo coming soon that will address that concern as well. Maybe something with a "liquid lead" core concept?

[elkaholic123]

PM huntnphool,he has one.

[firefighter4607]

Elite Ammunition S4M Ballistic Test w/Level IIIa Body Armor, Five-Seven & PS90

5.7x28mm Performance Against Soft Body Armor

[wraithen]

That is some outstanding information! Especially the one without sound (second one.) I admit I figured better ballistics with the non AP ammo with the vest. It also looked like the AP round didn't even lose it's jacket. I am curious as to the construction of that round or if it was simply a coated FMJ/TMJ bullet. The rifle AP the military uses relies on the jacket coming apart on impact. At least the 7.62 we've been using. IDK where you got those videos but thanks for posting them!