Should Mechanicals be legal here?

[LRP]

It's all about the definition of a legal broadhead.  Mechanicals do not fit the definition.

"It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface starting at maximum blade width and forming a smooth line toward the feather end of the shaft, and such line does not angle toward the point."

[BOWHUNTER45]

just realize one thing ...most of these guys who shoot exspandables are mostly hunting for whitetail and are in tree stands and are shooting at closer ranges ..like 20 to 30 yards ...which in all reality is the ultimate range of any bowhunter hunter ...but out west where we live you can have longer shots which I personally do not think an exspandable will penetrate as well as a fixed blade ...its pretty simple to me .. if you shoot a broadhead that opens up to two inches in diameter compared to one that opens up to 1 1/8 in diameter WHICH ONE will most likely penetrate the deepest Sure hope your not thinking the exspandable with a 2 inch blade ...    I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...when I tell my buddies back there I am killing sheet at 50 and sometimes 60 yrds they think I am insane ....but I practice at these ranges all the time and know I can kill sheet at these distances with room to spare knowing some of my longer shots were complete pass threws ...and why is this because its all in the broadhead ....a fixed broadhead ...and I WILL NOT SAY WHICH KIND  All i know is if I had the equipment I now have today and was back home on the farm I would have a sheet load of monster whitetail ...I sat in a tree stand thousands of hours watch those P.A whitetail just stay out of my shooting range of 40 yrds ...If I was there now , well sheet would be alot different ...

[Russ McDonald]

just realize one thing ...most of these guys who shoot exspandables are mostly hunting for whitetail and are in tree stands and are shooting at closer ranges ..like 20 to 30 yards ...which in all reality is the ultimate range of any bowhunter hunter ...but out west where we live you can have longer shots which I personally do not think an exspandable will penetrate as well as a fixed blade ...its pretty simple to me .. if you shoot a broadhead that opens up to two inches in diameter compared to one that opens up to 1 1/8 in diameter WHICH ONE will most likely penetrate the deepest Sure hope your not thinking the exspandable with a 2 inch blade ...    I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...when I tell my buddies back there I am killing sheet at 50 and sometimes 60 yrds they think I am insane ....but I practice at these ranges all the time and know I can kill sheet at these distances with room to spare knowing some of my longer shots were complete pass threws ...and why is this because its all in the broadhead ....a fixed broadhead ...and I WILL NOT SAY WHICH KIND  All i know is if I had the equipment I now have today and was back home on the farm I would have a sheet load of monster whitetail ...I sat in a tree stand thousands of hours watch those P.A whitetail just stay out of my shooting range of 40 yrds ...If I was there now , well sheet would be alot different ...

How long has it been since you looked at expandable/mechanical broadheads.  I think the smallest cutting diameter they make now is 1 3/8" most are 1 3/4" to 2".  I understand it is all personal preference but it should be our choice and not be illegal.  I hope they do change it in the near future.  I am sure no one is going to change anyones mind.  I always say use what works the best for you.

[BOWHUNTER45]

just realize one thing ...most of these guys who shoot exspandables are mostly hunting for whitetail and are in tree stands and are shooting at closer ranges ..like 20 to 30 yards ...which in all reality is the ultimate range of any bowhunter hunter ...but out west where we live you can have longer shots which I personally do not think an exspandable will penetrate as well as a fixed blade ...its pretty simple to me .. if you shoot a broadhead that opens up to two inches in diameter compared to one that opens up to 1 1/8 in diameter WHICH ONE will most likely penetrate the deepest Sure hope your not thinking the exspandable with a 2 inch blade ...    I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...when I tell my buddies back there I am killing sheet at 50 and sometimes 60 yrds they think I am insane ....but I practice at these ranges all the time and know I can kill sheet at these distances with room to spare knowing some of my longer shots were complete pass threws ...and why is this because its all in the broadhead ....a fixed broadhead ...and I WILL NOT SAY WHICH KIND  All i know is if I had the equipment I now have today and was back home on the farm I would have a sheet load of monster whitetail ...I sat in a tree stand thousands of hours watch those P.A whitetail just stay out of my shooting range of 40 yrds ...If I was there now , well sheet would be alot different ...

How long has it been since you looked at expandable/mechanical broadheads.  I think the smallest cutting diameter they make now is 1 3/8" most are 1 3/4" to 2".  I understand it is all personal preference but it should be our choice and not be illegal.  I hope they do change it in the near future.  I am sure no one is going to change anyones mind.  I always say use what works the best for you.

Yeah I know ..it is hard for everyone to agree ...I have my own theory and I stated a few above ...plus I have heard alot more negitive issues with mechanicals than I have positive ones ...I guess thats why I say No ! I would use one on a turkey and thats about it  its all good and I am waiting for them to legalize them so we can see what feed back we get then 

[Russ McDonald]

just realize one thing ...most of these guys who shoot exspandables are mostly hunting for whitetail and are in tree stands and are shooting at closer ranges ..like 20 to 30 yards ...which in all reality is the ultimate range of any bowhunter hunter ...but out west where we live you can have longer shots which I personally do not think an exspandable will penetrate as well as a fixed blade ...its pretty simple to me .. if you shoot a broadhead that opens up to two inches in diameter compared to one that opens up to 1 1/8 in diameter WHICH ONE will most likely penetrate the deepest Sure hope your not thinking the exspandable with a 2 inch blade ...    I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...when I tell my buddies back there I am killing sheet at 50 and sometimes 60 yrds they think I am insane ....but I practice at these ranges all the time and know I can kill sheet at these distances with room to spare knowing some of my longer shots were complete pass threws ...and why is this because its all in the broadhead ....a fixed broadhead ...and I WILL NOT SAY WHICH KIND  All i know is if I had the equipment I now have today and was back home on the farm I would have a sheet load of monster whitetail ...I sat in a tree stand thousands of hours watch those P.A whitetail just stay out of my shooting range of 40 yrds ...If I was there now , well sheet would be alot different ...

How long has it been since you looked at expandable/mechanical broadheads.  I think the smallest cutting diameter they make now is 1 3/8" most are 1 3/4" to 2".  I understand it is all personal preference but it should be our choice and not be illegal.  I hope they do change it in the near future.  I am sure no one is going to change anyones mind.  I always say use what works the best for you.

Yeah I know ..it is hard for everyone to agree ...I have my own theory and I stated a few above ...plus I have heard alot more negitive issues with mechanicals than I have positive ones ...I guess thats why I say No ! I would use one on a turkey and thats about it  its all good and I am waiting for them to legalize them so we can see what feed back we get then 

10-4 to that 

[ribka]

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just realize one thing ...most of these guys who shoot exspandables are mostly hunting for whitetail and are in tree stands and are shooting at closer ranges ..like 20 to 30 yards ...which in all reality is the ultimate range of any bowhunter hunter ...but out west where we live you can have longer shots which I personally do not think an exspandable will penetrate as well as a fixed blade ...its pretty simple to me .. if you shoot a broadhead that opens up to two inches in diameter compared to one that opens up to 1 1/8 in diameter WHICH ONE will most likely penetrate the deepest Sure hope your not thinking the exspandable with a 2 inch blade ...    I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...when I tell my buddies back there I am killing sheet at 50 and sometimes 60 yrds they think I am insane ....but I practice at these ranges all the time and know I can kill sheet at these distances with room to spare knowing some of my longer shots were complete pass threws ...and why is this because its all in the broadhead ....a fixed broadhead ...and I WILL NOT SAY WHICH KIND  All i know is if I had the equipment I now have today and was back home on the farm I would have a sheet load of monster whitetail ...I sat in a tree stand thousands of hours watch those P.A whitetail just stay out of my shooting range of 40 yrds ...If I was there now , well sheet would be alot different ...

[colockumelk]

Actually Bowhunter the Ulmer Edge ( a 1.5" mechanical) far out penetrated your Wasp Boss. So your statement isn't true. Also a lot of guys shoot elk, moose, caribou, pronghorn etc out west and get pass throughs at 50-60 yrs. With todays modern bows they produce enough energy to push a 2" broadhead through a moose at 50 yds.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet lv?key=0AgJEvQwzfDRZdGxzdC15R0JIZDJGQ1J4bVpGV1pTWHc

[92xj]

I can also say this since I grew up on the east coast ...Back when I hunted whitetail as a kid I never ever thought about shooting at any deer over 35 to 40 yrds and most east coasters still abid by that rule today ...

Being from the South/East coast and only living out here for 3 years, there are longer shots here to take...BUT...There are plenty of hunters there that will take shots will beyond 35-40 yards.  My first year of bow hunting I killed 7 deer total.  3 under 20 yards, 1 35 yards and the others 50-58 yards.  Everyone that I bow hunt with down there will shoot out to 60+ yards with a max of 70, using fixed and expandables.  I will never claim that "most" would stick to a rule of a max of 35-40 yards.

On the topic of fixed vs expandables.  With newish bows and technology of expandables, they will kill and penetrate the same.  Every shot is different and every impact on an animal is different.  I personally will never shoot an expandable.  Of all the bow hunters I have hunted with 50% shot fixed and 50% expandables. All killed deer from 10 yards to 70 yards.  The only issue I have ever seen and been apart of the experience that I did not like and turned me off of expandables was one blade not openeing on a doe at 30 yards from a climber 36 feet high.  Killed the deer, but the blood trail sucked and it took me 3 hours to find this deer that only went 60 yards.  Tall over grown brush with trails ground level for escape routes for the deer.  Doing a grid pattern looking for a deer in that stuff sucks.  But we found the deer and it killed it dead.  If that happened out here, I may not have the same feelings since I have yet to see some brush as thick as what that scenario presented.  If it happened in a wide open area or the woods that I have walked and discovered in this state, the tracking and finding of the deer would have been easier and not put a bad taste in my mouth about the expandables. 

With an expandable you are just giving yourself one more thing to go wrong and not work properly.  I have never seen a fix blade not deploy and open up.

As for the law, I dont see why they would not allow them.  Cant say they dont penetrate and dont kill deer. They do.  Cant say they suck because of shot placement.  I've seen fixed suck because of bad shot placement.   

[BOWHUNTER45]

Actually Bowhunter the Ulmer Edge ( a 1.5" mechanical) far out penetrated your Wasp Boss. So your statement isn't true. Also a lot of guys shoot elk, moose, caribou, pronghorn etc out west and get pass throughs at 50-60 yrs. With todays modern bows they produce enough energy to push a 2" broadhead through a moose at 50 yds.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet lv?key=0AgJEvQwzfDRZdGxzdC15R0JIZDJGQ1J4bVpGV1pTWHc

Colockum ...I am still waiting on that broadhead you were sending me and you might want to send one of those too !!!!

[whitetailslyr]

legal yes, but I won't be using any

[colockumelk]

I know sorry just got back from a 10 days in "the field". All my stuff is packed up because we are moving. But I'll get it out I promise. As far as the Ulmer Edge goes no way those things cost $13 a piece. Plus they don't make them in 125 grain until next year. A stainless steal broadhead with .040" razor sharp blades, a bone busting trocar tip. 2" of slice for blades. What's not to love about that.

Again the Wasps penetrated 11.5" (which was better than 90% of the other heads) but the Ulmer Edge penetrated all the way through and exited.

[BOWHUNTER45]

and I am sorry but there is no way in h--- your going to convince me an exspandable is going to penetrate as good as a fixed blade .... I am so sure of that , that I will speak with confidence on that one ... Most of the shows on T.V show that the majority are shooting a fixed blade ....I wonder why ? when someone finds a video on someone killing something with an exspandable at 50 yrds please let me know about it ...I can not find any  One word for them ( JUNK ) just my own opinion and I do respect all the compliments you guys have with exspandables 

[BOWHUNTER45]

and this brings up another issue  My question is this ...which broadhead is going to zip threw a deer quicker ....a 125 gr or a 100 gr ? lets hear some thoughts on this one ....

[deerslyr]

and I am sorry but there is no way in h--- your going to convince me an exspandable is going to penetrate as good as a fixed blade .... I am so sure of that , that I will speak with confidence on that one ... Most of the shows on T.V show that the majority are shooting a fixed blade ....I wonder why ? when someone finds a video on someone killing something with an exspandable at 50 yrds please let me know about it ...I can not find any  One word for them ( JUNK ) just my own opinion and I do respect all the compliments you guys have with exspandables 

BH45, your sounding like a liberal right now, when comforted with fact you deny it 

[BOWHUNTER45]

See this bear ? I shot it with a 75 gr Wasp ... not much of a blood trail  but I do shoot 100gr now