Sabotloader?

[conwaydave]

I am thinking about switching to the new bloodline bullets for my bighorn, for elk, what grain bullet would you recommend, and how much 777 would you put behind it? Thanks

[Elk whack master]

300grain and 110 of powder to start and work your way up. you should do good around 120ish

[Sabotloader]

I am thinking about switching to the new bloodline bullets for my bighorn, for elk, what grain bullet would you recommend, and how much 777 would you put behind it? Thanks

Sorry been in Kennewick for the last couple of days... But I think Elk whacker covered it...

.458-300 grain with 100 - 110 - 120 which ever shoots best for you.  the 110 grain load should do everything you need  - heck even the 100 grain load is good and works.

[conwaydave]

So, my son and I went out yesterday, and shot our Bighorn's. We went with the .458 300's Bloodlines. But, I am the guy that was complaining about the Barnes TMZ's being very hard to load a while back. I found out why, that is why we changed bullets. But, yesterday our bloodlines were just as hard to load, as were the Barnes! I changed bullets to get away from the loading problem, and it did not help. My son and I are pretty frustrated. I mean, it takes just about everything I've got to load the bullets.  We have 50 cal. We start out with clean guns, we run patches down the barrel and clean the barrel after every 3 shots. Both guns are the same, and both are just as hard to load? Once they are loaded they shoot fine I think. Our loads were 100 grains 777 and I have a small group 4" high at 50 yds. I would like to get that down a little. If I am 4" high at 50 yds. What do you think I would be at 100 yds.? I am going back to the range next week.

[bobcat]

I would guess that if you're 4 inches high at 50, you're still about the same at 100.

As for the hard to load bullets. try some thinner sabots. Do a search for "Harvester crush rib sabot." That is the one I would try.

[conwaydave]

Alright, I will shoot again next week. I still cannot believe how hard it is to load the gun. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Is it the sabot's? I am thinking about trying powerbelts.

[Sabotloader]

So, my son and I went out yesterday, and shot our Bighorn's. We went with the .458 300's Bloodlines. But, I am the guy that was complaining about the Barnes TMZ's being very hard to load a while back. I found out why, that is why we changed bullets. But, yesterday our bloodlines were just as hard to load, as were the Barnes! I changed bullets to get away from the loading problem, and it did not help. My son and I are pretty frustrated. I mean, it takes just about everything I've got to load the bullets.  We have 50 cal. We start out with clean guns, we run patches down the barrel and clean the barrel after every 3 shots. Both guns are the same, and both are just as hard to load? Once they are loaded they shoot fine I think. Our loads were 100 grains 777 and I have a small group 4" high at 50 yds. I would like to get that down a little. If I am 4" high at 50 yds. What do you think I would be at 100 yds.? I am going back to the range next week.

I am disappointed that the bullets are that difficult to load in the Big Horns... they work so well in my Knights.... One thing you might think about is running some JB's bore in the bore with a tight fitting patch, it will polish the bore and make loading that much better.  Somewhere I have process written up for doing that.

Another option is going back to a .452 bullet and using a Harvester Crush Rib or a MMP HPH-3P-Ez load sabots.

If you are shooting 4" inches high @ 50 you probably will be a bit higher than that at 100 yards....

Where in WA are you located?

mike

[bobcat]

Alright, I will shoot again next week. I still cannot believe how hard it is to load the gun. Have you ever heard of such a thing? Is it the sabot's? I am thinking about trying powerbelts.

Yes, I remember the Black Diamond I used to have was really hard to load with certain bullet/sabot combinations. I went to the Harvester crush rib sabot with that particular bullet, and it cured the problem.

[conwaydave]

I live 30 mi. N of Everett. Conway, Wa. S of Mount Vernon.  I have another question, Knight sent me just a couple of their E-Z load sabot's. I think they were like a .452 for 50 cal, but The Barnes were like a .451. and the Bloodlines are a .458. What sabot's can I use with the different .45#'s. And where can I find a bag of sabot's to try? I cannot find any over the counter, I think I may have to order online?

[bobcat]

I always order muzzleloader supplies from www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

[conwaydave]

can I shoot a knight E-Z load sabot, that may not have the same .45#, as my .458 Bloodline.

[Sabotloader]

I live 30 mi. N of Everett. Conway, Wa. S of Mount Vernon.  I have another question, Knight sent me just a couple of their E-Z load sabot's. I think they were like a .452 for 50 cal, but The Barnes were like a .451. and the Bloodlines are a .458. What sabot's can I use with the different .45#'s. And where can I find a bag of sabot's to try? I cannot find any over the counter, I think I may have to order online?

I was hoping that you might be closer to the Kennewick area...

The EZ load should hve three petals on it and is really a HPH-3P-EZ load and they are for a .452 bullets.. If you get a chance take your breech plug out and push one of those bullets throught the bore and see what you think.

And one other thing as long as you are trying something... put a .452 or even one of your Barnes bullets in a sabot for the 458 Bloodlines and push that down through and see what that feels like...

The 452 Barnes you were loading was probably using a HPH-12 sabot which is a thicker sabot...

Either the Harvester Crush Rib or the 3p-eZ - they are the thinnest sabots out there for a .451-.452 bullets

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