How to release your dog from traps

[Humptulips]

Well that's good to know when hunting in WA. 

Humptulips, I have heard most of the damage to a dog comes from the frantic owner who doesn't know how they operate.  What's your experience on that?

In recent years I haven't caught very many dogs. Those I have caught were in OR. None of them were injured even slightly but then I do know how to work the trap.
In the past I would say the long check times that were legal was the one thing that would hurt a dog. Today most states have 24 hour check. WA is among them. OR has a 48 hour check. A dog released in 48 hours isn't going to be hurt and if you are there with it there is not enough time for any problems. If you go back  25 years before trap check laws it could be a problem if an animal was in a trap for an extended period.
If you get in a state where they allow larger conibears to be set on land that is an accident waiting to happen. I know they have had problems in WIsconsin and Minnesota. Some of the new conibears that have been designed to kill quickly don't leave you much time and they can permanently injure a dog. I know OR had a couple of incidents  last year. This is probably the biggest problem. These traps were not really asked for by trappers. They are being forced on us because they are considered more humane. The only advice I can offer in a state that allows larger conibears on land is to stay close to your dog and ask landowners if traps are in the area. Take a piece of small rope with you rope to help remove a trap, see the video.
As far as footholds go, take your time when removing a dog from a trap. A few minutes won't hurt it.

[GrousePointer]

The reason I posted the link that started this thread was for the following reasons...

1. People hunt out of state with their dogs. Different states have different rules so the more you know...

2. Despite laws to the contrary, people occasionally set traps illegally. About 5-6 years ago a guy from Georgia lost his Brittany to an illegally set conibear while grouse hunting in Michigan. The guy knew nothing about such traps, the dog died in his arms, and it took three people to pry the thing off the dog at a DNR station.

I meant it as a public service post, not something against trappers. For what it's worth.

[Humptulips]

The reason I posted the link that started this thread was for the following reasons...

1. People hunt out of state with their dogs. Different states have different rules so the more you know...

2. Despite laws to the contrary, people occasionally set traps illegally. About 5-6 years ago a guy from Georgia lost his Brittany to an illegally set conibear while grouse hunting in Michigan. The guy knew nothing about such traps, the dog died in his arms, and it took three people to pry the thing off the dog at a DNR station.

I meant it as a public service post, not something against trappers. For what it's worth.

Didn't take it as anything against trapping. It's a good topic and I get the part about out of state hunting.
Thought you might be interested in  a trappers point of view and what you are likely to encounter in WA.

[Happy Gilmore]

The reason I posted the link that started this thread was for the following reasons...

1. People hunt out of state with their dogs. Different states have different rules so the more you know...

2. Despite laws to the contrary, people occasionally set traps illegally. About 5-6 years ago a guy from Georgia lost his Brittany to an illegally set conibear while grouse hunting in Michigan. The guy knew nothing about such traps, the dog died in his arms, and it took three people to pry the thing off the dog at a DNR station.

I meant it as a public service post, not something against trappers. For what it's worth.

Didn't take it as anything against trapping. It's a good topic and I get the part about out of state hunting.
Thought you might be interested in  a trappers point of view and what you are likely to encounter in WA.

Last time the subject came up the trappers got all defensive. Who knows why? Conibears are illegal without a permit in Wa. so, should be a non-issue. Last year in Oregon I believe there were three dog deaths due to conibear traps which made the news and were heavily publicized. I think all three were legal traps as well.

Good videos. I wouldn't have really had much of a clue how they work without it. I've only set the old leg clamp style grandpa used around the turkey farm for coyotes.

[Humptulips]

Trappers get defensive because we are constantly under attack. Also we see things a little differently about some of the dogs getting caught. Quite often it is not the trappers fault. A couple of dogs were killed in conibears in WI last year and of course it was the trappers fault. There was a call to ban conibears but most never heard the dogs were trespassing on posted private property.
The cases in Or I know, one was Wildlife Services which are exempt from the laws we have to follow. A lot of times the problems are caused by land owners breaking the law on a do it yourself damage control job. Fur trappers get hit with calls for a ban on trapping even  when It doesn't seem it's out fault.
The result of all this is a siege mentality.

You'd get the same way if every time someones dog bit someone there was a call to ban the ownership of dogs.
Best thing is to think about what the other guy is up against and try and understand. True for trappers and dog hunters and everyone else.

[Stilly bay]

Trappers get defensive because we are constantly under attack.

these days its a hard sport to defend, with few grey areas to hide in. 

[Happy Gilmore]

You'd get the same way if every time someones dog bit someone there was a call to ban the ownership of dogs.
Best thing is to think about what the other guy is up against and try and understand. True for trappers and dog hunters and everyone else.

They did and now hunting with hounds is illegal so, when people illegally hunt, I don't cry about it.

[Humptulips]

Trappers get defensive because we are constantly under attack.

these days its a hard sport to defend, with few grey areas to hide in.

Totally untrue if you take the time to learn about it. Most people don't bother and that is trappings problem.
You probably don't know anything about the last 15 years of scientific studies by The US and Canada to identify the most humane traps. Probably aren't familiar with the new trap developments such as dog proof traps, cable restraint devices and the ad ons to foot hold traps that have become popular such as jaw laminations, multiple chain swivels, shock springs to stop foot damage? Pan tensioning  to limit non-target catches?
Know anything about the positive results Delta Waterfowl has shown by using trappers to control predators during nesting season.
Wonder how Lynx were reintroduced to Colorado, Fisher to WA and yes wolves to Yellowstone? Guess what they were all trapped and yes their feet came through it OK.

Looks like I'm sounding defensive. Wonder why?

[Stilly bay]

didn't mean to step on your dick, maybe I should have put a smiley down.

I don't know all the ins and outs, this is very true. I also don't have a problem with trapping as long as its done humanely, which by and large it is these days. years ago I was even signed up to take the trappers education course so that I could do some trapping of my own, but that was the year they shut it down in Wa.

I wish trapping was as common as it used to be, maybe there would be less raccoons and more pheasants. I hope they trap and kill every last coyote in suburbia.
not sure what else I can say to prove I am on your side...

but the fact remains its a damn hard sport to defend in this day and age, especially when fur bearing animals are the target.

[Humptulips]

didn't mean to step on your dick, maybe I should have put a smiley down.

I don't know all the ins and outs, this is very true. I also don't have a problem with trapping as long as its done humanely, which by and large it is these days. years ago I was even signed up to take the trappers education course so that I could do some trapping of my own, but that was the year they shut it down in Wa.

I wish trapping was as common as it used to be, maybe there would be less raccoons and more pheasants. I hope they trap and kill every last coyote in suburbia.
not sure what else I can say to prove I am on your side...

but the fact remains its a damn hard sport to defend in this day and age, especially when fur bearing animals are the target.

OK, Truce, but maybe a good insight as to why trappers get a little defensive.

A question though. Why do you think targeting furbearers makes trapping harder to defend?

[Stilly bay]

A question though. Why do you think targeting furbearers makes trapping harder to defend?

hunters can claim they are "harvesting food" or "feeding their families" which IMHO is an utter farce for a huge percentage of the hunting population. but we pretty much rely on that to keep the antis at bay and save face in front of people who don't hunt but aren't against it.

-this is not how i view trapping, but since you asked...

fur bearing trappers can claim depredation, or its how they make an income. but at the end of the day its all about beautiful wild animals dying (in some cases slowly dying) so some lady can look fashionable and so the trapper can make a few bucks. animals suffering and dying for human selfishness and money doesn't sound good to many people that are ambivalent to hunting and trapping and it really makes the animal rights people Chit their cage... even though some of them have no idea about the horrors going on in a slaughter house as they eat their big mac.

you gotta remember the only thing most people know about trapping are the terrible video clips put out by the animal rights people. I was kinda glad to see that yukon men show didn't sugar coat the trapping lifestyle, but I don't think they shed an unfavorable light on it either.

[Happy Gilmore]

hey, on my "to-do" list is running a trap line with an outfitter I got to know who works out of Babine Lake, BC. The area has an over population of wolverines and wolves. Great website of their yearly takes if you look it up. Had dinner with the guys after the sportsman show last year. Good doods.

[Stilly bay]

hey, on my "to-do" list is running a trap line with an outfitter I got to know who works out of Babine Lake, BC. The area has an over population of wolverines and wolves. Great website of their yearly takes if you look it up. Had dinner with the guys after the sportsman show last year. Good doods.

that would be pretty cool. I have wanted to run my own trap line since I was a little kid, but I think I am living in the wrong state to take up trapping, or at least the wrong part of the state.

I got to tag along with a friend who had a trap line up near kamloops, it was quite the experience.

[Happy Gilmore]

They gave me a dvd of just their winter trap line operation which isn't really shown well on their website. My buddy did the black bear hunt with them two years in a row and has been extremely happy with their service. He booked the winter trap line hunt for this year. Some from last year had wolves coming down the river towards them while they were ice fishing in down time... pictures on the lake were spooky..

http://www.babineguides.com/2011-Photo-Gallery.html

[Humptulips]

A question though. Why do you think targeting furbearers makes trapping harder to defend?

hunters can claim they are "harvesting food" or "feeding their families" which IMHO is an utter farce for a huge percentage of the hunting population. but we pretty much rely on that to keep the antis at bay and save face in front of people who don't hunt but aren't against it.

-this is not how i view trapping, but since you asked...

fur bearing trappers can claim depredation, or its how they make an income. but at the end of the day its all about beautiful wild animals dying (in some cases slowly dying) so some lady can look fashionable and so the trapper can make a few bucks. animals suffering and dying for human selfishness and money doesn't sound good to many people that are ambivalent to hunting and trapping and it really makes the animal rights people Chit their cage... even though some of them have no idea about the horrors going on in a slaughter house as they eat their big mac.

you gotta remember the only thing most people know about trapping are the terrible video clips put out by the animal rights people. I was kinda glad to see that yukon men show didn't sugar coat the trapping lifestyle, but I don't think they shed an unfavorable light on it either.

I know you are playing devils advocate but this is the thing that makes trappers crazy.
This is not the truth about trapping.
Did you know that almost all wild fur produced in North America is destined for Russia? Much of it is bought and manufactured in China and in Greece but the end user is typically in what used to be the Soviet Union. It gets cold there and is used for warmth. Everyone likes to look nice in the clothes they wear but it is not a fashion statement over there. Furs utility is the prime driver behind wild fur sales. The weather in Russia is always watched closely by fur buyers and trappers. A cold winter in Russia = increased fur sales and prices.

Another one is the myth about traps slowly killing furbearers or causing suffering. Once upon a time, yes but there is little excuse for that now.
Perhaps a little recent history lesson is in order. In 1997 the Canadian and Russian governments signed an agreement with the EU to phase out inhumane traps. The US signed a different but similar agreement about 6 months later.
As a result of this the Canadian government starting doing testing on killing traps. In order for a conibear to pass the tests it had be able to render an animal irreversibly unconsious within 300 seconds of capture.
The US starting doing testing on foothold traps. Some of that testing was done here in WA. There is a long list of criteria but basically if the target animals foot is damaged the trap fails and will not be certified.
All of this testing wasn't completed until just the last few years but we have some very good guidlines to go by now.
Of course WA pretty much opted out of these standards when I-713 passed.

I try to make the case to people that we practise population management. I am a WCO which allows me to trap for hire year around for problem wildlife. Typically most calls come in during the spring and summer. The less fur trapping we do the more nuisance calls we get. We can fur trap to control the population during the winter or we can let the population increase and trap them when people start calling us with animal damage problems. Trouble is when we trap in the spring and summer the animals go to waste plus you run the risk of orphaning furbearers offspring.
Fur trapping is the responsible way to control furbearer populations.

FYI, there really are some pretty succesfull trapping methods being pioneered in WA with the laws we have so don't count out giving it a try.