Central Firearms Offender Registry Legislation Passed 4/17 Update now a Database

[huntrights]

If enough people don't take action to oppose legislation like this, the legislation will pass.  People must take a stand against legislation like this by testifying, writing letters and emails, and making phone calls.  All of the methods of communication were made very easy in this thread. 

Testifying takes additional time and fortitude, but is is also very effective if enough people show up to do so.  Keep calling and writing those emails; let your state Senators know that you oppose this legislation and tell them why.  Read through the thread again to understand why central registries are dangerous.  I have testified, made my phone calls, and written my emails.  The volume of communications are what makes a difference, so each and every one of you needs to act as well.  Urge your family, friends, and colleagues to do the same.

Central registries have a history of being abused by governments and the media.  That's just the way it is; they are not good because of that fact.

Here is an excerpt from a prior post in this thread:

How a registry can lead to abuse:

Excerpts are from the following web site:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Chronology_1938.html

April 26, 1938:
The German government demands that all Jews register with the authorities all real estate and other assets exceeding 5000 marks. This is the first step toward expropriation of Jewish property; that is, Aryanization, a process whereby the Reich government seizes Jewish property and auctions it off to gentiles.

June 15, 1938:
“Asocial¬Action”: Arrest of all “previously convicted” Jews, including those prosecuted for traffic violations, and committing them to concentration camps (approx. 1,500 persons).

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This is an example of media abuse: The Journal News in New York had no remorse or ethical issues, in their view, with publishing the names and addresses of firearm permit holders in interactive maps on the internet for the entire world to see.  They had absolutely no regard for the privacy of those individuals or their safety.  The last I heard was they were still trying to get their hands on more lists. 

[bigtex]

Roach is about as pro-gun as you get and she voted in-favor in the committee. A large majority of House Republicans supported this bill.

Uphill battle if you are going to try and get this not to pass. The bill only has one more hearing, which is in front of the Ways & Means Committee which means they ONLY will look into the MONEY/COST of the bill. These committees are not policy committees.

[huntrights]

The bill will probably pass.  Hopefully the list will stay out of the public domain when people start saying they have a "right" to know if firearm offenders live in their neighborhood.  Based on the tidal wave of agenda driven anti-gun legislation supported by emotionally driven public hysteria fueled by propaganda, I would expect these demands for public exposure of firearms offenders to surface soon after the list is created; I hope I am wrong.

It is very sad that to see our country plummet further away from its foundations of individual rights and freedoms.

If you understand the risks of central registries such as what is being proposed in HB1612, it is still not too late to act.  Let your Senators hear your voice.

[csaaphill]

Registration turns into confiscation

Oh crap! My car is registered!

In parts of the EU, the vehicle registration is used to increase taxes over the life of the vehicle.  With laws sprouted from carbon credits and clean air efforts, they make it more and more difficult to own an aging vehicle.  The governments can see 'who' owns what vehicle and how to tax individuals.  If the tax isn't paid, the vehicle is seized (confiscated).  The thought being that newer technology is increasingly friendly to the environment and the tax provides incentives to continually upgrade.  They have exceptions for some vehicles, like a 25 year old vehicle can be permitted under classic/antique status.  I think Belgium is the worst with the taxes and when a vehicle exceeds 5 years old the taxes are higher than the cost of a new vehicle.  The older cars go for resale in E Europe.
Point being, when the government has detailed databases on your possessions and they pass laws, they can really get intrusive.  Obama has said a few times how he wants to get old vehicles off the road here.  They offered Cash for Clunkers and he is promising incentives/directing challenges to the auto industry for 'new improved' and 'alternative energy' cars.  How long until a few in Congress think they need to speed the process and seize outdated cars here?  Not much different with guns (registration to confiscation).

give one the feeling of bugging out eh?
Lest me it does.

[Special T]

They will betting older rigs off the road here in WA now that you can no longer get Ethenol free fuel. Its now at 10% and will soon be at 15%. You can get an additive however that just increases the cost of fuel.

[Elkaholic daWg]

3/12 Update

This bill passed the state House today by a vote of 85-10 and now heads to the Senate. Those opposed were: Chandler, Condotta, Crouse, Kristiansen, MacEwen, Overstreet, Pike, Scott, Shea, and Taylor.

 Dan K, Elizabeth S....good job

 
MESSAGE:   
Thank you BOTH for voting against this bill!! I'm pretty sure senator Pearson will vote to kill this thing in the Senate. He is getting a copy of this too 

Governments and lists have never been a good combination when it comes to liberty, and this Nation and state were created with Liberty and freedom as the number 1 goal. This bill is a BAD idea heading our state down the slippery slope of tyranny. Liberals don't care.

What will be next...a run on crossbows?
Then a slew of laws regarding them??
Thanks again!! 

[bigtex]

3/12 Update

This bill passed the state House today by a vote of 85-10 and now heads to the Senate. Those opposed were: Chandler, Condotta, Crouse, Kristiansen, MacEwen, Overstreet, Pike, Scott, Shea, and Taylor.

 Dan K, Elizabeth S....good job

 
MESSAGE:   
Thank you BOTH for voting against this bill!! I'm pretty sure senator Pearson will vote to kill this thing in the Senate. He is getting a copy of this too 

Pearson voted in favor of the bill in the Law and Justice Committee........

[huntrights]

Here's the real question.  Why do they need a central registry when the information is already available to law enforcement?  Central registries have a long history of abuse.  There is no good for the people that will result from such a central registry.  They are also adding another expense to an already strained budget for something they don't need.

[csaaphill]

Here's the real question.  Why do they need a central registry when the information is already available to law enforcement?  Central registries have a long history of abuse.  There is no good for the people that will result from such a central registry.  They are also adding another expense to an already strained budget for something they don't need.

Like Claifornia to confiscate peoples guns. They will start with those that no one really cares for and then work their way up.
I know tin foil moment but why else pass this kind of thing?

[Mudman]

Too many people who are ignorant, part of the system, dependant on gov. or just dont care.  We may try but we are headed down these roads regardless of our efforts.  A tidal wave is hard too stop.  People dont know History nor do they respect the lessons taught from it as they feel they are better and smarter now.

[Worldhunter]

Out of control

[csaaphill]

They will betting older rigs off the road here in WA now that you can no longer get Ethenol free fuel. Its now at 10% and will soon be at 15%. You can get an additive however that just increases the cost of fuel.

ya well that's what they're going to do ive even read that Obama wants to phase us out like that.
Im ecological minded as well I know were heading to 7-10 billion people very soon, but forcing er coercing people to do stuff isn't what i call freedom.

[huntrights]

Your voices must be heard.  If you have not been continuously writing and calling your represntatives, then you have given up and resigned yourselves to the loss of your rights and freedoms.

LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD!

[oldcamper]

Get rid of the loaded firearm one and maybe.  ** By saying this, I do not condone road hunting with a loaded firearm in the vehicle. **
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I have searched hard and have still not found a good sauce for any roads. 

[bigtex]

Get rid of the loaded firearm one and maybe.  ** By saying this, I do not condone road hunting with a loaded firearm in the vehicle. **

I have searched hard and have still not found a good sauce for any roads. 
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Huh?
The provision for the loaded firearm offense was removed.