Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[pianoman9701]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

Wolves and coyotes are completely different animals with completely different instincts. There is no comparison between the two species at all.

Okay, whatever you say.

Read about them. Their whole pack structure is completely different. Their hunting is different. Their mating is different. It's not what I say. You can find plenty of information that shows it.

[Smossy]

If there were an open season on wolves, this kind of thing would still happen. Coyotes are hunted year around. Yet they still come into people's backyards and kill their pets and/or livestock. Shouldn't they have "learned" by now that people don't want their pets eaten?

I think your argument is ridiculous.

I don't believe Twisp is in the area that wolves have been delisted by the Feds. So even if the state wanted to have a hunting season on wolves, the Feds wouldn't allow it.

Wolves and coyotes are completely different animals with completely different instincts. There is no comparison between the two species at all.

Okay, whatever you say.

Read about them. Their whole pack structure is completely different. Their hunting is different. Their mating is different. It's not what I say. You can find plenty of information that shows it.

Tomato Tamoto!

[bobcat]

That's because the government should've said no to the greenies on this one and had a very limited plan. They didn't and now it IS their fault people's pets and livestock are dying.

The plan has nothing to do with this. If the WDFW had not written a wolf plan, the wolves would still be here, and the dog still would have been attacked.

[pianoman9701]

I disagree. If the plan had been written reasonably, with allowances for people to protect themselves and their property, it's quite possible the wolf would've been more wary of humans and stayed deeper in the woods. WY did it and let the feds know they wouldn't let them tie the hands of their citizens. We could've done it too. But instead, the DFW let the voices of Seattle decide what would happen in the NE and E parts of the state.

[motg9_6]

its not a handout when something is taken from you and you want reimbursment.

[motg9_6]

That's because the government should've said no to the greenies on this one and had a very limited plan. They didn't and now it IS their fault people's pets and livestock are dying.

The plan has nothing to do with this. If the WDFW had not written a wolf plan, the wolves would still be here, and the dog still would have been attacked.

i think your wrong if there was a good plan the wolves would have enough food they wouldnt need to come close to house they would stay i the mountain.

[snowpack]

Yea Sean T is an idiot and he has an ID on here but won't dare  show or post. One of those wolf lovers.

Reading through his other posts, it looks like he is trying to organize some wolf lovers into capturing wolves and relocating them to the westside. 

And bobcat, I don't want any gov handouts.  Just want to 'hand out' a few 1 ounce slugs to any wolves near me without needing OJ's dream team to keep me out of the slammer.

[bobcat]

That's because the government should've said no to the greenies on this one and had a very limited plan. They didn't and now it IS their fault people's pets and livestock are dying.

The plan has nothing to do with this. If the WDFW had not written a wolf plan, the wolves would still be here, and the dog still would have been attacked.

i think your wrong if there was a good plan the wolves would have enough food they wouldnt need to come close to house they would stay i the mountain.

Wolf numbers have not yet reached what the plan calls for, not even close.

So I'd expect for these types of issues to get much worse as time goes on. This is only the beginning.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

WOLF ATTACKS LOCAL DOG, TWISP, WA
 
 
 
Sunday morning, at approximately 1:00 AM, John Stevie was awakened by one of his dogs furiously barking and growling, while still inside the house, at their living room sliding glass deck doors. John hurried to the door and saw a very large wolf up on the ten-foot-high deck, savagely attacking his blue heeler dog. He opened the door in an attempt to rescue his dog, but his other dog pushed past him out to the attack. The wolf and dog fought out on the deck for a short time before the wolf lept off the deck and headed toward the creek bottom with John's dog hot on his heels. The blue heeler, "Shelby" was taken to Daniel Deweert's Valley Veterinary Clinic for treatment. "Shelby" is still in critical condition with deep puncture wounds to her head and neck..
 
WDFW was called. Mr. Stevie told them that he was within two feet of the wolf in an attempt to save his dog, but  WDFW suggested "perhaps it was a cougar instead of a wolf!" Mr. Stevie assured them that he was within very close proximity to the wolf, and that he had numerous wolf sightings close to his home and knew a wolf when he saw one. John asked WDFW if they would be paying any of the vet bills, their reply was, "We will have to send this information to Olympia to see if it will be called a wolf attack or not."
 

So Village Idiot, when did this supposed attack take place? Aren't you the one who posted the false story about the dog getting killed in Wallace Idaho? Do you have a source for your story?

It's funny there isn't a word about it in the Methow Valley News.

 My how quick the wolf lovers turn to defend their wolves....

I'm not a wolf lover or a wolf hater. I'm actually pretty indifferent to wolves. I don't care if they are legally hunted or trapped or killed when caught in the act. But I'm not afraid of them and I'm not worried they are going to wipe game animals out so bad it's going to end hunting. In that case, I'm more worried that the State or timber companies are going to price hunters out of hunting with all their Special" fees.

So tell me where I defended any wolf in my post. All I asked for was a source for the story.  There are a lot of people who knowingly and unknowingly post false stories on the internet.  Wanting to check out the source before trusting the story is a prudent thing to do.

As for this story, if it's true, and the dog was contained, that wolf needs to be put down. If the dog was running loose, that's the owner's problem, just like it would be if a loose dog gets run over by a car.

But let's see a source first. Village Idiot isn't above posting false stories and swearing they're true.

[Smossy]

I disagree. If the plan had been written reasonably, with allowances for people to protect themselves and their property, it's quite possible the wolf would've been more wary of humans and stayed deeper in the woods. WY did it and let the feds know they wouldn't let them tie the hands of their citizens. We could've done it too. But instead, the DFW let the voices of Seattle decide what would happen in the NE and E parts of the state.

Yeah well seattle dont know what the heck is going on outside the city. Buncha city folk. No wonder we have one of the most restricted states in the nation as far as dfw reulations go, your right though. Theyre far from dumb, they know (the wolves) that they are top of the food chain now and have no natural predators themselves. I understand what wdfw is trying to do but its not the right move. I say atleast open up draws for pulling wolf tags. That way they can control specific numbers not just let everyone have a hay day at it.

[pianoman9701]

Yea Sean T is an idiot and he has an ID on here but won't dare  show or post. One of those wolf lovers.

Reading through his other posts, it looks like he is trying to organize some wolf lovers into capturing wolves and relocating them to the westside. 

And bobcat, I don't want any gov handouts.  Just want to 'hand out' a few 1 ounce slugs to any wolves near me without needing OJ's dream team to keep me out of the slammer.

  We wouldn't need handouts if we could protect ourselves and our stuff.

[SGTDuffman]

I think the whole point for government accountability is because of their mismanagement of the entire wolf issue.

They set the mating pair requirements 50% higher than any other state with wolves, then never actually did anything to monitor the number of mating pairs. Had they either a) set a realistic number of mating pairs or b) done the legwork to establish the number of mating pairs, then the wolves could have been de-listed by both the Feds and the state, and people like this guy with a wolf problem would be allowed to deal with the problem. That's why some have suggested the state be held liable for damages. It's the fact that they prevent you from dealing with the problem on your end, and refuse to even acknowledge there is a problem on their end.

If they had done their jobs, the wolves would have been de-listed, and nuisance wolves could be treated like nuisance cougars. They would investigate and trap/tranq/relocate trouble animals or issue special permits to the property owners allowing them to deal with their own problem, then come collect the animals afterwords to remove any trophy value. They've done none of this. Instead they insist not only are the wolves no problem, but there are in fact no wolves, which is contradictory to the entire purpose of wildlife management. They have a duty and responsibility to investigate claims not only of wolf damage, but of wolf sightings. It was their plan, in their words, that dictated they define the number of breeding pairs in the state. If they are unable or unwilling to investigate the number of breeding pairs -in other words- to do their jobs, they need to be replaced by people who will do the job they're being paid to do.

I would imagine it SHOULD be fairly easy to verify this attack was a wolf. There are the bite marks, which alone would be sufficient, there should also likely be tracks and/or hairs around, as well as anything they know about previous wolf sightings in the the area that they most likely previously chose to ignore. Is it the states fault that a wolf came in the guys yard? No. Is it the states fault the guy isn't allowed to protect himself or his property. Yes. It may not have stopped this attack from occurring, but killing the wolf responsible would stop that wolf from attacking his dog or any other dogs in the future.

[Smossy]

I see no point in relocation. It just creates problems for other people.

[villageidiot]

Country folks keep their dogs outside and have since the establishment of the United States.  Dogs are outside animals. Country dogs are tough dogs and can handle bad weather and scraps with vermin that need run off the place.  City dogs are fluffy foo foo dogs that are developed for cuddling and hugging.  Two different dog types altogether. The city dwellers keep their dogs inside which is fine since they don't have anything to guard outside.  The country dog has a job to do and that is to protect and inform the owner of any uninvited critters or humans and he has to be outside to do his job.  What is the purpose of having a guard dog if is not on guard?    If my dog goes over to my neighbors house and kills his chickens then the neighbor can either shoot my dog or call me and expect me to pay for his chickens and rightly so. If we had the right to shoot the wolf for destroying our property then no compensation would be expected but since we are not allowed to shoot the wolf then compensation should be provided for the precious wolf you can't kill.  A multitude of coyotes are shot every year for killing all sorts of livestock but no livestock owner asks for compensation because he can deal with the vermin himself and is content with that.  This solution is simple and not complicated and IT WORKS.

[Curly]

If we had the right to shoot the wolf for destroying our property then no compensation would be expected but since we are not allowed to shoot the wolf then compensation should be provided for the precious wolf you can't kill.  A multitude of coyotes are shot every year for killing all sorts of livestock but no livestock owner asks for compensation because he can deal with the vermin himself and is content with that.  This solution is simple and not complicated and IT WORKS.