Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[bobcat]

Well, I would assume now that wolves are coming back to Washington in good numbers, this sort of thing where a dog gets attacked, is going to become a somewhat regular occurrence. Just like cats and dogs regularly are eaten by coyotes. Which, speaking of coyotes, how often does the WDFW come out and kill a coyote that has eaten someone's pet?

[bobcat]

Like I said you do realize this happened in 2009. Here is the blog it came from off the Methow Valley News webpage.
http://www.methowvalley.com/bb/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=28505

I don't see the year 2009 mentioned anywhere.   

[boneaddict]

Its fresh on the Lobo watch page

[boneaddict]

I believe he has been REGISTERED since 2009, but the post is 2013

[motg9_6]

  bobcat do you not understand were we are coming from? there is a season on coyotes. we cannot legally kill wolves without a huge lawyer battle if ef they are attacking our property. as for your thought about people having to have a fence around there property......that is the stupidest thing ever instead of standing up for what right people make excuses and say people should do better to protect themselves while trying to take away the very thing we protect ourselves with. ever think maybe they had a fence and the wolf jumped it and then jump 10ft high to get up on the deck and attack the dog? some people need to pull their head out just my 

[bobcat]

I never said anything about a fence. Where did you get that idea? All I'm saying is the state doesn't need to be paying money every time something like this happens.

So in answer to your question- no, I don't see where you're coming from.

This will very likely happen again, and I don't want my tax dollars being spent every time it does.

[grundy53]

Like I said you do realize this happened in 2009. Here is the blog it came from off the Methow Valley News webpage.
http://www.methowvalley.com/bb/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=28505

Read it a little more carefully. The post was 3/11/13. He registered to the site in 2009...

[Fishstiq]

I never said anything about a fence. Where did you get that idea? All I'm saying is the state doesn't need to be paying money every time something like this happens.

So in answer to your question- no, I don't see where you're coming from.

This will very likely happen again, and I don't want my tax dollars being spent every time it does.

If the government places protection on a wild animal that can be dangerous, and those protections say you cannot defend yourself, your pets or your property from these animals, I can see where someone might reason that the gov't is responsible for damages caused.  If you won't let me stop it (and threaten legal action if I do), but you won't stop it either, it's reasonable to logically assume you as the decision maker are responsible for the outcome.

At the same time...  when the gov't pays, you and I pay.   The gov't cannot pay anything to anyone that they have not taken from other citizens first.  So, why should I have to pay for a wolf attacking your dog?  I didn't make the laws, but I would be forced to pay for the resulting damage.  How is that fair, and how does that make any sense at all?


Tough subject, I see both sides of the argument.

[motg9_6]

sorry bobcat it ws meant for aspenbud

[bobcat]

sorry bobcat it ws meant for aspenbud

Okay. I would say that it does seem like people could take responsibility for their pets and possibly keep them indoors at night, or in a kennel. If you're in an area that's known to have wolves does it make sense to let your dog (or cat) run loose at night?

Even if there aren't wolves there are going to always be bears, cougars, and coyotes. So I'd say the man whose dog was attacked is to blame for this. Not the government.

I'll add that I highly doubt the dog was just sitting on the porch when the wolf attacked. I would bet the dog was out roaming around and ran back to the porch when confronted by the wolf.

[motg9_6]

i disagree! it was the gov that reintroduced these causing the problem they should be liable. although if the gov is liable that just means you and i have to flip the bill. the least they could do is show some initiative to help with the problem they created. these things were wiped out years ago for a reason. any that werent wiped out havent been a problem. this so called grey wolf thats moving into klickitat county is not the same natural kind of wolf that has been spotted many time in the simcoes.

[pianoman9701]

sorry bobcat it ws meant for aspenbud

Okay. I would say that it does seem like people could take responsibility for their pets and possibly keep them indoors at night, or in a kennel. If you're in an area that's known to have wolves does it make sense to let your dog (or cat) run loose at night?

Even if there aren't wolves there are going to always be bears, cougars, and coyotes. So I'd say the man whose dog was attacked is to blame for this. Not the government.

I'll add that I highly doubt the dog was just sitting on the porch when the wolf attacked. I would bet the dog was out roaming around and ran back to the porch when confronted by the wolf.

That's an assumption for which there's no evidence. I could say the dog was probably tied up. I have just as much evidence for that.

If the man's children had been playing in their yard and a wolf had attacked them, would it then be the man's fault because he let his kids play outside? Many people move to the country so that their children will have a wholesome safe place to grow up and fresh air to breathe. Many people lived there long before the state DFW accepted and implemented an outrageous wolf plan, one that far exceeds anything else we've seen in the west. So now, what ever the wolves do is the responsibility of the people and property being attacked? This is precisely the attitude that says "the wolves were here before man. We don't have any right to keep them out or protect ourselves from them."

[bobcat]

If the man's children had been playing in their yard and a wolf had attacked them, would it then be the man's fault because he let his kids play outside.

This was in the middle of the night. How many people let their children play outside at 1:00 in the morning?

[bobcat]

i disagree! it was the gov that reintroduced these causing the problem they should be liable. although if the gov is liable that just means you and i have to flip the bill.

I doubt this wolf came from "reintroduced" wolves. Isn't it more likely that the wolves in the North Cascade Mountains got there by walking across the Canadian border?

If it could be proven that the WDFW put this particular wolf in this man's "backyard" then I would agree, the state is liable.

But, I don't think that's the case. Do you?

[bearpaw]

My kids camped out in my yard all the time while growing up. When i was a kid my parents let me and my cousin hike on top of any of the mountains near our homes and we camped out under the stars in our sleeping bags listening to the coyotes.



I do remember that bobcat was one of the first to say how stupid Rep Kretz was to suggest moving wolves from NE WA to western Washington.

Funny how those on the westside who expect us on the eastside to change our lifestyles to accomodate wolves don't want anything to do with wolves in their neighborhood.