WDFW Claims cow was not wolf kill

[huntnphool]

Would you guys be happier if the WDFW did their investigation, concluded they were not wolf kills, and then lied and said yes they were wolf kills? Because it sounds like that's what you guys want.

I'm sure they don't know with 100% certainty that the wolves didn't somehow cause the death of these elk, and the beef cow. But what are they supposed to do? They came up with their best "guess" and people complain.

Surely if they are right and these aren't wolf kills, there WILL BE elk and probably cattle killed by these wolves in the Colockum. That is to be expected.

The problem Bob is they didn't expect this much this fast, to the tune of a estimated $2.3 million this year.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Mr Lancaster....you now have competition.

[bobcat]

Actually, from the article, the wolves are not doing as well as they expected:

Monda said the agency has no prediction on how large a pack could grow near Wenatchee. He said the Lookout pack to the north is “tenuous at best” with just two known wolves right now.

“They are just barely hanging on up there,” he said, adding that while the territory in North Central Washington is prime for wolves, “They aren’t taking off (in numbers) here like they have in other areas.”

The state agency had expected wolves to have established themselves more by now in the area between Wenatchee and the Methow Valley, he said.

[Northway]

Was the cow in the middle of birthing the calf?


The BS meter is definitely on high alert.

 

So, even if the WDFW is right in thinking the wolves did not kill the cow, wouldn't the wolves now have a taste for beef and go out looking for beef now?

We are certainly going to find out one way or another this Spring & Summer.

[huntnphool]

Actually, from the article, the wolves are not doing as well as they expected:

Monda said the agency has no prediction on how large a pack could grow near Wenatchee. He said the Lookout pack to the north is “tenuous at best” with just two known wolves right now.

“They are just barely hanging on up there,” he said, adding that while the territory in North Central Washington is prime for wolves, “They aren’t taking off (in numbers) here like they have in other areas.”

The state agency had expected wolves to have established themselves more by now in the area between Wenatchee and the Methow Valley, he said.

  LMFAO, the officials and media said the Benghazi attack was in response to a YouTube video too Bob, I guess that makes it true. 

[cougarbart]

huntinphool! i was just gonna say and oj simpson was framed!lol

[KFhunter]

Would you guys be happier if the WDFW did their investigation, concluded they were not wolf kills, and then lied and said yes they were wolf kills? Because it sounds like that's what you guys want.

I'm sure they don't know with 100% certainty that the wolves didn't somehow cause the death of these elk, and the beef cow. But what are they supposed to do? They came up with their best "guess" and people complain.

Surely if they are right and these aren't wolf kills, there WILL BE elk and probably cattle killed by these wolves in the Colockum. That is to be expected.

If there was trust in the WDFW then yes, but lacking trust the people are not going to buy anything the WDFW are selling.
They did the same thing in the wedge.

It is obvious the pro-wolf people in WDFW who are the ones making decisions at the very top.  The very fact that one must call Olympia to get a determination of a wolf kill speaks to truth.   Unless the evidence is irrefutable, undeniable and so damming it cannot be anything else, then it wasn't a wolf.

It is the same with the wedge wolf kills,  at first they were all cougar, or bear.   

In the 20+ years I ran cattle prior to wolf reintroduction cougar/bear depredation was unheard of.  I've found more lightning killed cattle than any predator. I've found trees fallen on cows, I've found rustling of cattle and I've found cattle shot and left to lay.  You name it I've found it....but I've yet to see a true cougar kill or bear kill. 

 Cougars don't like the pressure of a group of cattle surrounding them bellering.  Wolfs disperse the herd, they prey on herds it's their specialty.  Bears likewise do not like being in the middle of a herd of angry cattle.

[Elkslayer]

Actually, from the article, the wolves are not doing as well as they expected:

Monda said the agency has no prediction on how large a pack could grow near Wenatchee. He said the Lookout pack to the north is “tenuous at best” with just two known wolves right now.

“They are just barely hanging on up there,” he said, adding that while the territory in North Central Washington is prime for wolves, “They aren’t taking off (in numbers) here like they have in other areas.”

The state agency had expected wolves to have established themselves more by now in the area between Wenatchee and the Methow Valley, he said.

I'm sure the wolves are doing just fine!
If they would get off there arses and hire some more trappers or make a better attempt to document how many wolves there really are they would be stating the exact opposite. 

[BIGINNER]

just a thought,... if a hunter gets accused of poaching, he is treated as guilty until proven innocent by the wdfw.  wolves on the other hand are innocent until,.... shoot I dunno... the wdfw gets so much evidence pilled into their face and their forced to admit it finally,...   talk about working for the people.   

[huntnphool]

huntinphool! i was just gonna say and oj simpson was framed!lol

[WAcoyotehunter]

What- are we wanting for these to be wolf kills? You know, animals do die in the winter, and especially at the very end of winter, AND especially older animals, like big bull elk. Is it so hard to imagine that wolves might feed on winter kill? It's a lot easier for them than having to chase one down and kill it.

Sorry, but I think I'd trust a biologist's opinion over anyone else on whether these animals were killed by wolves or not. And I would think this would be good news. These are animals that would have died anyway, the wolves are feeding on them, which means the wolves don't need to kill additional animals.

 
Are we getting to the point where every dead livestock animal is now a wolf kill?

What ever happened to cougar kills? Llamas were killed by coyotes a couple weeks ago.

Yep- there are a hundred ways for an animal to die out there.  It doesn't seem all that outlandish to think that the dead animals attracted the wolves...

[SkookumHntr]

There will be more poppin up im sure..

[pianoman9701]

What- are we wanting for these to be wolf kills? You know, animals do die in the winter, and especially at the very end of winter, AND especially older animals, like big bull elk. Is it so hard to imagine that wolves might feed on winter kill? It's a lot easier for them than having to chase one down and kill it.

Sorry, but I think I'd trust a biologist's opinion over anyone else on whether these animals were killed by wolves or not. And I would think this would be good news. These are animals that would have died anyway, the wolves are feeding on them, which means the wolves don't need to kill additional animals.

 
Are we getting to the point where every dead livestock animal is now a wolf kill?

What ever happened to cougar kills? Llamas were killed by coyotes a couple weeks ago.

So, when the llamas were killed by coyotes, that's how it was reported. However, when they found the dead cow, they could see wolves from where they were standing. You think that the rancher coming to that conclusion was pulling it right out of his butt or might there have been just a tad of justification? C'mon BT, if it looks like a wolf, walks like a wolf, and has a NY sirloin in it's mouth, what are the chances that was a cougar kill?

[buckfvr]

Frankly, I am of the opinion that anyone from within the system, to include bt, is highly predictable and will sell the agenda lock stock and barrel until death do they part....................dont look for it to be any other way.   

[snowpack]

Was the cow in the middle of birthing the calf?


The BS meter is definitely on high alert.

From what I remember when a cow is giving birth and having complications, is that they pretty much lay there.  They might be able to give a little kick here and there, but they moan and moo and breathe heavily.  Not much of an animal that can really run or fight off a predator.  Easy pickins.  A couple wolves wouldn't need to attack at the throat and the legs leaving all kinds of trauma.  They could just go right at eating the cow.