WDFW Claims cow was not wolf kill

[Wenatcheejay]

I would like to see this agent of a dishonest government agency take a lie detector test that he honestly can determine this is not in fact a wolf kill.

I could be wrong but I don't think they ever make a statement that concludes its not a wolf kill, rather they leave themselves a out by saying "they can't confirm it is a wolf kill". It's politics pure and simple, a play on words that leaves them wiggle room in either direction.

 

Perhaps, I am not direct enough. WDFW is a joke. They have no intention of being honest. They never have and they never will. Those that work with them will be screwed without lubricant every time on every thing. We all know it, end of story. I am so sick and tired of hope that there is 1% of reasonable cooperation. (In anything government related these days.) But the wolf issue? I can not even begin to understand why any of the WDFW agenda supporters even bother to pretend that any investigation or science is used where they are concerned. Just laugh at us. We all know WDFW has no intent of doing anything other than destroying the realistic hunting opportunities and limit paying for ranching losses as much as possible. They win, we loose, game over.   

[Gringo31]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

[bobcat]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

I have faith the process will work similar to the way it worked in other states. When they first try to delist wolves there will be lawsuits by the wolf lovers. The state will spend millions of dollars fighting those lawsuits. Then maybe, after many years, they will be delisted. And who knows how many more years after that before there will be a hunting season for wolves. By that time there will be very few deer and elk left to hunt in this state, and hunting will be by draw only.

[Skyvalhunter]

Yea how about how it didn't work in other states.

[wolfbait]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

I have faith the process will work similar to the way it worked in other states. When they first try to delist wolves there will be lawsuits by the wolf lovers. The state will spend millions of dollars fighting those lawsuits. Then maybe, after many years, they will be delisted. And who knows how many more years after that before there will be a hunting season for wolves. By that time there will be very few deer and elk left to hunt in this state, and hunting will be by draw only.

I think we will delist a little sooner, but it really won't make any difference because WA will be so stuffed with wolves that they will be impossible to control in time to save the decimation of our wildlife.

[6x6in6]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

I have faith the process will work similar to the way it worked in other states. When they first try to delist wolves there will be lawsuits by the wolf lovers. The state will spend millions of dollars fighting those lawsuits. Then maybe, after many years, they will be delisted. And who knows how many more years after that before there will be a hunting season for wolves. By that time there will be very few deer and elk left to hunt in this state, and hunting will be by draw only.

I think we will delist a little sooner, but it really won't make any difference because WA will be so stuffed with wolves that they will be impossible to control in time to save the decimation of our wildlife.

And then there is the lawsuits that will be filed.  The legal battle and barrage of lawsuits will make ID and MT's battles seem puny.

[groundhog]

If you want to see some incredible photos Google  Hurd's Guide Service. Go to his facebook page and go to the untitled album. Stuart Hurd is the son of the rancher and he also has a guiding business.
Stuart has 70 pictures of wolves and the dead animals. The elk that died in the pond was a huge bull that wintered on their place every year. They named this bull split ear. He had already shed his antlers when he was chased into the pond by wolves. He died in the pond and there were fresh bite marks all over his head and neck and fresh wolf tracks surrounding the pond! Lots of pics to prove the above statement.
He also has incredible trail cam pics of wolves feeding on a mature bull that sure appears to have been killed by wolves. The Cow had bite marks all over her neck and head yet the WDFW maintains it was not a wolf kill..... I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they have to pay for wolf damage.....

[WAcoyotehunter]

The bull elk in the pictures is so far gone its impossible to know how it died.  If it was wolves, big deal.   Do you think they're eating Alpo out there?
 Of course they're eating elk and deer.

The cow is the animal in question.  If wolves killed the cow, they need dealt with.  The pictures of the cow don't show much, so we have to go with what the people trained to determine the cause say. 

I VERY HIGHLY doubt there is any direction from Oly to deny wolf depredations.  I think they did the best they could and if they could have determined it to be a wolf kill they would have worked on a plan to fix the situation.  It likely would have been some kind of nonlethal the exscalate to lethal control if needed.

 

[pianoman9701]

The bull elk in the pictures is so far gone its impossible to know how it died.  If it was wolves, big deal.   Do you think they're eating Alpo out there?
 Of course they're eating elk and deer.

The cow is the animal in question.  If wolves killed the cow, they need dealt with.  The pictures of the cow don't show much, so we have to go with what the people trained to determine the cause say. 

I VERY HIGHLY doubt there is any direction from Oly to deny wolf depredations.   I think they did the best they could and if they could have determined it to be a wolf kill they would have worked on a plan to fix the situation.  It likely would have been some kind of nonlethal the exscalate to lethal control if needed.

 

Really, we can trust them beyond a shadow of a doubt? The WDFW denied wolves in several areas of the state for years when we all know they were there. Have they suddenly found their conscience and are telling us the complete truth? The entire wolf plan is one of deception and maneuvering. Having the WDFW lie or hide facts about wolves is nothing new.

[JLS]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

I have faith the process will work similar to the way it worked in other states. When they first try to delist wolves there will be lawsuits by the wolf lovers. The state will spend millions of dollars fighting those lawsuits. Then maybe, after many years, they will be delisted. And who knows how many more years after that before there will be a hunting season for wolves. By that time there will be very few deer and elk left to hunt in this state, and hunting will be by draw only.

I think we will delist a little sooner, but it really won't make any difference because WA will be so stuffed with wolves that they will be impossible to control in time to save the decimation of our wildlife.

And then there is the lawsuits that will be filed.  The legal battle and barrage of lawsuits will make ID and MT's battles seem puny.

I'll say it again, the least of our worries is in the courtroom.  The lawsuits would be won easily.  What you should fear is the ballot box and citizen's initiatives.

[AspenBud]

Those of you that have faith in this process......just wait for how long it will take to actually delist.  I'm talking about once the requirement has been made and they are actually delisted.

I have faith the process will work similar to the way it worked in other states. When they first try to delist wolves there will be lawsuits by the wolf lovers. The state will spend millions of dollars fighting those lawsuits. Then maybe, after many years, they will be delisted. And who knows how many more years after that before there will be a hunting season for wolves. By that time there will be very few deer and elk left to hunt in this state, and hunting will be by draw only.

I think we will delist a little sooner, but it really won't make any difference because WA will be so stuffed with wolves that they will be impossible to control in time to save the decimation of our wildlife.

And then there is the lawsuits that will be filed.  The legal battle and barrage of lawsuits will make ID and MT's battles seem puny.

I'll say it again, the least of our worries is in the courtroom.  The lawsuits would be won easily.  What you should fear is the ballot box and citizen's initiatives.

 

[Gringo31]

I VERY HIGHLY doubt there is any direction from Oly to deny wolf depredations.  I think they did the best they could and if they could have determined it to be a wolf kill they would have worked on a plan to fix the situation.  It likely would have been some kind of nonlethal the exscalate to lethal control if needed.

Wish I could believe that.....

Just don't.

[snowpack]

I think WDFW goes off of a very black and white set of instructions to determine wolf kills.  Probably written in such a way by lawyers/accountants that they would only pay for animals they can't weasel out of confirming.  In my world, if a cow dies from a broken leg/stress/freezes due to low body weight due to being run by wolves it would still count as a wolf kill.  I don't think WDFW would accept any of those examples though. 

[bobcat]

Really, we can trust them beyond a shadow of a doubt? The WDFW denied wolves in several areas of the state for years when we all know they were there. Have they suddenly found their conscience and are telling us the complete truth? The entire wolf plan is one of deception and maneuvering. Having the WDFW lie or hide facts about wolves is nothing new.

I don't believe the WDFW flat out denies wolves exist in certain areas of the state. They simply don't accept as fact when a person claims to have seen a wolf. Do you blame them? They need to confirm the presence of wolves with 100% certainty.

While I don't agree with the wolf plan, and I feel people who care more about wolves than they do about maintaining deer and elk populations had too much influence in writing it, I also don't feel it's fair to say the agency as a whole is lying to the public.

[WAcoyotehunter]

The bull elk in the pictures is so far gone its impossible to know how it died.  If it was wolves, big deal.   Do you think they're eating Alpo out there?
 Of course they're eating elk and deer.

The cow is the animal in question.  If wolves killed the cow, they need dealt with.  The pictures of the cow don't show much, so we have to go with what the people trained to determine the cause say. 

I VERY HIGHLY doubt there is any direction from Oly to deny wolf depredations.   I think they did the best they could and if they could have determined it to be a wolf kill they would have worked on a plan to fix the situation.  It likely would have been some kind of nonlethal the exscalate to lethal control if needed.

 

Really, we can trust them beyond a shadow of a doubt? The WDFW denied wolves in several areas of the state for years when we all know they were there. Have they suddenly found their conscience and are telling us the complete truth? The entire wolf plan is one of deception and maneuvering. Having the WDFW lie or hide facts about wolves is nothing new.

I think they are in over their heads, but I don't think they are intentionally denying things.  I also don't believe that they "denied wolves exisistence".  I think they get TONS of totally BS wolf sightings and they have to remain skeptical about them.   The wolf plan wasn't just a WDFW document.  It's imperfect (ok, ok...it kinda sucks) but it is at least providing some guidance.  We should be at the level to delist before long and maybe things can happen then.

I do think the WDFW is being WAY more proactive and working on the wolf issue to the best of their ability right now.