Peep Sight question

[MLHSN]

Q on peep sight placement.

When I have my hand placed at an anchor point that feels natural and the tip of my nose touching the string, I can't line up the peep sight with the ring around my pins.  Am I absolutely suppose to be able to do that?

When I move the peep down the string so that I can line up the peep with the ring around the site then I have the string lightly touching the side of my nostril instead of the tip of my nose. 

I'm feeling all messed up.  Just trying to get to where the bow is set up right and my basic form is correct so I can start working on the more minute stuff.  With a comfortable anchor point and the tip of my nose against the string I am shooting about a 3" group at 20 yards but I can't line up the circles on the peep and site. 

Moving the peep site down so I can line them both up feels awkward. 

So my basic question is in three parts:  Should the tip of my nose be touch the string? Do I need a larger peep (the size was a "medium")?  Do I need to line up the circles around the peep and the front site?

I just can't seem to get all three of these done at the same time.

[demontang]

You should be able to vlose your eyes draw settle then open your eyes and be able to look through the peep and line the inside of the peep with the out side ring of the sight. You shouldnt have to move your peep height unless your leaning your head down or stratching up to see through it. I have the string through the side of my mouth and just touching my nose.
Have you checked the draw lenght of your bow? If everything is right then the peep and sight should line right up.

[Smossy]

Just wait for Radsav to chime in. Hes the goto guy for that. We spoked for about an hour last night about peeps. I guess its a personal preferance but some align with the ring on the sights and some align with the site pin itself. Im a sight ring kinda guy But i guess I even had the wrong setup. Getting worked out now thanks to him.

[RadSav]

I guess my first question would be, "Why would moving the peep sight down to center it with your eye change your anchor point?" 

Your anchor point should never change if using the peep and sight pin guard together.  So I guess perhaps I am not understanding what is not lining up.  Is the aperture of the peep lined up above the ring of the sight?  Or are you trying to get the peep closer to your eye by moving it down so the peep hole looks bigger?

[elk247]

I use the corner of my mouth as my anchor point. Right eye dominant. So my anchor point is a fixed position and the sights are a fixed position, then align the peep. How do you adjust the peep? Do you use a bow press? Or do you just spiral it up and down? I guess im assuming you are working with a new bow or a new peep.

[Special T]

It sounds like the serving holding the peep is loose and the peep can move up/down the string.. Your string doesn't have to touch you nose.  Being successful shooting a bow is repetition, doing the same movements EVERY time you shoot. By lining up your peep circle and the circle around your pins you are helping to repeat the same movements each time you shoot. IMO lining up those 2 circles have shrunk my groups alot.

[MLHSN]

I guess my first question would be, "Why would moving the peep sight down to center it with your eye change your anchor point?" 

Your anchor point should never change if using the peep and sight pin guard together.  So I guess perhaps I am not understanding what is not lining up.  Is the aperture of the peep lined up above the ring of the sight?  Or are you trying to get the peep closer to your eye by moving it down so the peep hole looks bigger?

Let me clarify.  I haven't changed my anchor point.  I put the knuckle of my pointer finger just under my ear behind my ear lobe.

I moved the peep down to bring it closer to my eye in order to see the ring around my front site through my peep.

I was only moving the peep and front site.  If I move it up so that my nose touches the string then I can only see the inside of the front site and not the whole ring. 

[demontang]

If your looking and the peep is to small and covers the sight gaurd you need to change the sixr of the peep so its what you want. Do you know what size the peep is?

[MLHSN]

If your looking and the peep is to small and covers the sight gaurd you need to change the sixr of the peep so its what you want. Do you know what size the peep is?

When I ordered the bow it just said "medium"

[Special T]

The other thing you can do is move the site forward or aft to get the rightsizing. Most sites have 3 sets of holes that you can mount to.  If you need to make the site ring smaller move it forward, is you need to make it bigger move it back. 

[demontang]

The multi holes in the sight mount have an other reason too. The farther from the riser the sight is the more it will wiggle which can also make you more accurate because youll see the little movemeny more, the closer to the riser the less it will wiggle. Take it to a shop and have a tech check the size of the peep. I shot a 3/16" peep 1/4" is very common some come with monster 5/16" too.
The problem is that the sight guards are all different sizes, your draw length, peep size and sight gaurd all play a role in lining up everything.

[RadSav]

Sounds like you just need a size larger aperture.  We offer angled aluminum hunting peeps in sizes from 3/32" to 1/4" in 1/32" increments.  Not sure what your medium is, but most of the local shops either carry or can get all of our sizes.  Who did you order the bow from?  I might be able to figure out what you have by who the supplier was.

So to answer your questions #1 - Tip of the nose is a nice repeatable reference.  As long as it does not contact with much pressure it should be a good thing to continue.  #2 - Answered above unless you find exception in answer 3.  #3 - Centering peep/pin guard or centering peep/pin is a personal preference.  Myself I prefer to center the pin as I often take that quick shot and find it more consistant under that type of shooting.  Others prefer to center the pin guard for the security of having a secondary reference point.  Choice and decision is all yours.  Either will work.

[MLHSN]

Sounds like you just need a size larger aperture.  We offer angled aluminum hunting peeps in sizes from 3/32" to 1/4" in 1/32" increments.  Not sure what your medium is, but most of the local shops either carry or can get all of our sizes.  Who did you order the bow from?  I might be able to figure out what you have by who the supplier was.

So to answer your questions #1 - Tip of the nose is a nice repeatable reference.  As long as it does not contact with much pressure it should be a good thing to continue.  #2 - Answered above unless you find exception in answer 3.  #3 - Centering peep/pin guard or centering peep/pin is a personal preference.  Myself I prefer to center the pin as I often take that quick shot and find it more consistant under that type of shooting.  Others prefer to center the pin guard for the security of having a secondary reference point.  Choice and decision is all yours.  Either will work.

I just had a free moment to look up the stats.  I got an 1/8" Jim Fletcher peep.

Thanks for the tip on centering the pin.  I might give that method a try.  No one has suggested it to me before.  The only method I had heard of to this point is lining up the peep with the front site guard.  How do you know the pin is perfectly centered in the peep?  Do you have crosshairs in the peep site or something?

I bought the bow from Huntersfriend.com.  It's the Diamond Outlaw 60-70 lb.  I'm happy with the bow but wish I had bought it from a shop so I could have gotten more pointers from someone.  At the time, it was about 50% cheaper then a comparable model at a local shop.  They offered a 15% veteran (equated to about discount so I went with it.  I'm kind of regretting buying online to save $250.  This is the package I got:

http://www.huntersfriend.com/2011_Diamond_Outlaw_Bow/best_bow_for_the_money_outlaw.htm

[RadSav]

Dangit Hunter's Friend!!!  Still trying to pass my peeps off as Fletcher's   That's friends for you

That is one of our peeps and yes that would be a 1/8" aperture.

No crosshairs needed in a peep.  You wouldn't be able to focus on one even if it was there. 

The subconscious mind is a thing of amazement.  If focused on an object while looking through a round hole the subconscious will always center that object in the circle naturally.  That is why myself and others (like Randy Ulmer) center the pin.  If you have multiple pins and are centering the guard all but maybe one pin will be out of center with the peep.  To shoot centering the pin all you really need to do is see the pin and see the target.  That's it!  If centering the pin guard with the peep you need to be concentrating on the shadow of the peep, the pin guard, the target and the out of center pin.  Myself, that's about two things more than my mind can handle at once.  Plus it is not natural for the subconscious mind.  Often times when bowhunters miss that quick shot opportunity under this method of aiming it is because the mind jumps to center the pin.  The result is a shot that goes low if the pin is located above center of the guard or a shot that goes high if the pin is located below center of the guard (low on close shots/high on long shots).

Centering the pin guard method really shines when you have lots of time to take the shot while needing to avoid obstacles.  Example:  You are trying to shoot a stationary deer at 60 yards with a five pin sight.  While you are holding the pin on that deer's vitals you glance at the 50, 40, 30 and 20 yard pins.  Those pins represent exactly where the arrow will be at those distances.  So say there is a branch at 30 yards and the 30 pin is right on that branch you now know your arrow is going to hit that branch before getting to the deer.  You now have to make the choice of changing aim or waiting for the deer to move until the pin/arrow path clears.  I use that process while centering the pin as well, but it's not nearly as accurate as it is under the center pin guard method.

I do not make it a habit of preaching one way or the other.  But I do try to slam the door when guys tell me Randy Ulmer can not possibly shoot well because he centers the pin and does not center the pin guard itself.  That's obsurd...you've seen or heard how he shoots, right?  The guy is ^&% good!!!

Shoot the way you like and the way you feel most comfortable.  I could care less!  The way you like is far more important

[MLHSN]

Thanks for the advice.  I'm at least going to give that method a try and see how my shot groups are.