Wild Olympics

[Knocker of rocks]

United States Park Service silly!
 

What's that?

Did you mean the  National Park Service?  Universally referred to as the NPS?

[npaull]

The more wilderness, the more wild and scenic river designations, the better. I'm 100% for it. And fishing and hunting are my biggest hobbies and passions.

[blackdog]

Ok ok NPS. Their are no land purchases now in the bill.

[blackdog]

I've had bad experiences with NPS rangers while hunting on USFS land so I may have a mental block with them.

[Knocker of rocks]

NPS Rangers are tools

[snowpack]

I've had bad experiences with NPS rangers while hunting on USFS land so I may have a mental block with them.

They seem to go through phases every few years.  Like you get three or four years and never see them outside of the park.  Then the next few years they are even helpful driving around USFS land and tell you where animals are.  Then you get a stretch where they hassle people about having maps/compasses and knowing where the boundary line is.   One year they were even driving behind the gates on DNR land and shooting into the trees to scare 'their' elk back into the park.

[bigtex]

I've had bad experiences with NPS rangers while hunting on USFS land so I may have a mental block with them.

They seem to go through phases every few years.  Like you get three or four years and never see them outside of the park.  Then the next few years they are even helpful driving around USFS land and tell you where animals are.  Then you get a stretch where they hassle people about having maps/compasses and knowing where the boundary line is.   One year they were even driving behind the gates on DNR land and shooting into the trees to scare 'their' elk back into the park.

NPS LE Rangers can be very different. You have your group that are basically like WDFW Officers and love to hunt, fish, etc and are basically game wardens working for the NPS. Then you have your group which you would call your typical "parkie" and don't want you to pick a flower.

Snowpack, I think one of the reason you see the different "phases" is because NPS LE has a very high turnover rate in WA. You don't see them staying in WA for very long. So chances are the LE Ranger you saw 4 years ago doesn't even work in WA now.

[blackdog]

I had one threatened to get a bulldozer and push our trailer into the brush while holding his hand on his pistol.

[Elkaholic daWg]

I don't see more public land as a bad thing, as long as it isn't locked up in a park. Most private timberland in Grays Harbor County that  I grew up hunting has been turned into pay to hunt land. So more public land to hunt is a good thing in my eyes. It's one of the things I appreciate when I hunt the NE corner of the State, the national Forests over there. In fact the lock up of private land on the west side is the major reason I started hunting the NE corner three years ago. I know several others who have done the same thing.

Most who have weighed in so far on this thread are against Wild Olympics, but there are many sportsmen who are for it. Here is one group who is.

http://www.sportsmenforwildolympics.org/

I don't think there is much in the way of purchases involved in this present bill, mostly it is an designation change of Federally held land,
(by the Post Office according to Black Dog)

This is from that site. Has anyone here actually read the Wilderness act? In black and white  it says this is NOT allowed.........  and you trust them?

And if they do manage to do it ,it will only take one  judge to change it or....
 Snowpack   
"I think the road thing is a trap.  They say the roads will stay for the creation.  But wilderness boundaries and wild scenic boundaries will run up to the road buffer zones.  So as soon as part of the road washes out it will be near impossible to repair/redirect even a small portion due to wilderness/WS rules, FS road budgets and all kinds of lawsuits the greenies will file.  So the USFS will just have to place boulders near the closest wide spot and however much road beyond is now shutdown.  I wouldn't put it past the greenies to stuff culverts with hay or duff to speed it up. "

[steen]

I vote no on anything new.  There are always hidden agenda things that are never mentioned and we lose every time.  They don't even have enough money to take care of the parks they have now.....and then increase them??? Just like someone else said, voting rights away.

[bigtex]

I vote no on anything new.  There are always hidden agenda things that are never mentioned and we lose every time.  They don't even have enough money to take care of the parks they have now.....and then increase them??? Just like someone else said, voting rights away.

This isn't a park

[Elkaholic daWg]

I vote no on anything new.  There are always hidden agenda things that are never mentioned and we lose every time.  They don't even have enough money to take care of the parks they have now.....and then increase them??? Just like someone else said, voting rights away.

This isn't a park

Understood. So are you saying there is plenty of money for USFS to  fix any washouts on these 2200+ miles of roads while dealing with the added red tape that Wilderness designation would bring about, Even though a hand picked judge would probably make it a moot point

[bigtex]

I vote no on anything new.  There are always hidden agenda things that are never mentioned and we lose every time.  They don't even have enough money to take care of the parks they have now.....and then increase them??? Just like someone else said, voting rights away.

This isn't a park

Understood. So are you saying there is plenty of money for USFS to  fix any washouts on these 2200+ miles of roads while dealing with the added red tape that Wilderness designation would bring about, Even though a hand picked judge would probably make it a moot point

No, I said it's not a park. That's all I said....