Gun owner targeted with 'no-knock' raid

[bearpaw]

Gun owner targeted with 'no-knock' raid

A Texas citizen is asking a state appeals court to decide whether police are justified in launching a no-knock raid on a home they want to search simply because they believe there is a gun inside.

“Whatever the issue might be, whether it’s mass surveillance, no-knock raids, or the right to freely express one’s views about the government, we’ve moved into a new age in which the rights of the citizenry are being treated as a secondary concern by the White House, Congress, the courts and their vast holding of employees, including law enforcement officials,” said John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, which is defending John Gerard Quinn.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/gun-owner-targeted-with-no-knock-raid/

[Goshawk]

   
Don't know about Texas, but in Washington State a no knock takes a Judge's signature after some proof is offered that there are weapons in the building along with someone who is known to be dangerous to law enforcement.
What was the warrant issued for in the first place? Felony arrest? Drugs? Illegal Weapons? A few information holes need to be filled before we can tell what's going on.

[Johnb317]

The article said the no knock warrant was approved solely on the basis that he had an ak47.   Drug search as his son was selling.   There have been more than one instances where a it was the wrong house and the home owner was shot trying to protect himself from 'strangers' that broke down his door. 
Even a knock warrant doesn't necessarily give a person much time to answer the door.   I understand the need for such things, but worry that it can be too easily abused. 

[Crunchy]

The article said the no knock warrant was approved solely on the basis that he had an ak47.   Drug search as his son was selling.   There have been more than one instances where a it was the wrong house and the home owner was shot trying to protect himself from 'strangers' that broke down his door. 
Even a knock warrant doesn't necessarily give a person much time to answer the door.   I understand the need for such things, but worry that it can be too easily abused. 

Lets see selling drugs and armed with an AK47.  Sounds like a good enough reason to me.  No knocks are not issued all that often, but under the right circumstances definitely a good thing.

[Goshawk]

The article said the no knock warrant was approved solely on the basis that he had an ak47.   Drug search as his son was selling.   There have been more than one instances where a it was the wrong house and the home owner was shot trying to protect himself from 'strangers' that broke down his door. 
Even a knock warrant doesn't necessarily give a person much time to answer the door.   I understand the need for such things, but worry that it can be too easily abused.

But not as many as you may think:
in ALL of the USA, according to the CATO Institute there were by the years this many deaths from police raids on the wrong homes:
 
2011 – 2
2010 – 2
2009 – 0
2008 – 2
2007 – 0
2006 – 1

None would be in a perfict world, but this ain't bad.

[bearpaw]

The article said the no knock warrant was approved solely on the basis that he had an ak47.   Drug search as his son was selling.   There have been more than one instances where a it was the wrong house and the home owner was shot trying to protect himself from 'strangers' that broke down his door. 
Even a knock warrant doesn't necessarily give a person much time to answer the door.   I understand the need for such things, but worry that it can be too easily abused.

But not as many as you may think:
in ALL of the USA, according to the CATO Institute there were by the years this many deaths from police raids on the wrong homes:
 
2011 – 2
2010 – 2
2009 – 0
2008 – 2
2007 – 0
2006 – 1

None would be in a perfict world, but this ain't bad.

How you look at those numbers being acceptable depends on whether it was your family or friends that were the statistic. 

[KFhunter]

The article said the no knock warrant was approved solely on the basis that he had an ak47.   Drug search as his son was selling.   There have been more than one instances where a it was the wrong house and the home owner was shot trying to protect himself from 'strangers' that broke down his door. 
Even a knock warrant doesn't necessarily give a person much time to answer the door.   I understand the need for such things, but worry that it can be too easily abused.

But not as many as you may think:
in ALL of the USA, according to the CATO Institute there were by the years this many deaths from police raids on the wrong homes:
 
2011 – 2
2010 – 2
2009 – 0
2008 – 2
2007 – 0
2006 – 1

None would be in a perfict world, but this ain't bad.

How you look at those numbers being acceptable depends on whether it was your family or friends that were the statistic. 

Where are the numbers of lives saved due to police taking down bad guys in regards to no knock warrants?  Impossible to come up with I know, but I bet they would be much higher.

but I agree, 1 is too many.

[JLS]

I don't think a lot of folks really understand a "no knock" raid.  It's not like SWAT is running all through the house in such a manner that no one knows who it is. 

I don't know if the small number that went bad, they had trouble breaching the entry, but once the flash bangs go off and they cross the threshold of the entry every single one of them is yelling "police".  Loudly.  Multiple times. 

They don't kick the door in and clear the house without announcing their authority.

[bearpaw]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

[KFhunter]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

Just vet your guests for possible wants/warrants and post a list of who is staying where at the local p...


just kidding 

[Crunchy]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

No knock warrants are soley for the benefit of the guys kicking down your door.  Unless you've done that a time or two you probably dont see the benefit.

[JLS]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

Never said you should feel good about it, so I don't know what your point is.  My point is, that I guarantee you will know who is there and they will tell you exactly what they want you to do. 

[crazysccrmd]

The title of this thread is extremely misleading. No gun owner was targeted for a raid because he owned a gun. His house was raided because of a dirtbag son, and as a safety precaution the judge allowed for a no-knock entrance based on the known presence of firearms.

[bearpaw]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

Never said you should feel good about it, so I don't know what your point is.  My point is, that I guarantee you will know who is there and they will tell you exactly what they want you to do.

Thank you for illustrating my point so well, it's all about the police today, peoples rights no longer matter. I think the situation is best explained by John Whitehead, if you are in favor of "no knock" raids, I truly don't expect you to understand.

“Whatever the issue might be, whether it’s mass surveillance, no-knock raids, or the right to freely express one’s views about the government, we’ve moved into a new age in which the rights of the citizenry are being treated as a secondary concern by the White House, Congress, the courts and their vast holding of employees, including law enforcement officials,” said John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, which is defending John Gerard Quinn.

[bearpaw]

So if I'm in bed tonight and experience a no knock raid I should feel good about it, hope nobody gets trigger happy when I cover my eyes from the bright lights. Just sayin....

Just vet your guests for possible wants/warrants and post a list of who is staying where at the local p...


just kidding 

   good one, however that brings up a valid point, the way the law is being interpreted today I could be subject to my door being taken down in the night while I sleep. Just because police "think" a bad guy is in my house. Actually my guests are in cabins, but the police may not know that, so I lose two doors and my rights are violated unnecessarily. But in todays world that is OK because it benefits police, something is seriously wrong here. Police need to knock first at the home of someone who has done nothing wrong, if you are afraid to knock first then don't become a cop.