WDFW hiding Wolf Killed Livestock from the Public

[JLS]

If WDFW is like other agencies, the PDRs can be overwhelming and very time consuming.  Of course part of it will be blacked out.  It is very rare that documents don't have other information on them that is not pertinent to the PDR, and that info is to be blacked out.

[buckfvr]

That's fine, and I agree. However I don't feel it's the WDFW's responsibility to make sure every instance is published in the newspapers. It's just not their job.

That's all I'm trying to say. It gets old seeing the WDFW getting blamed for every little thing. They didn't put the wolves here. You want to blame someone? Blame the federal government.

WDFW has not been forthcoming with wolf information, not timely, not accurately.......they have lied and been misleading for years.  They continue to deceive the public,  earning their share of the blame.......blame them Hell yes.

They do have the option of coming clean on all this so we can get to the managing of this issue, however, they will lie forever............

[bobcat]

What is it that you'd want them to be forthcoming about? That wolves are here, they're increasing in number, they eat deer, elk, livestock, and people's pets, and there's no way to control their numbers?

Wait. Don't we already know all that stuff? Some of it is nothing more than common sense. And the rest of it did come from the WDFW.

Why do we want a government agency to waste their time and our money telling us stuff that we already know?

[BOWHUNTER45]

Just remember ..its natures way 

[ribka]

If wolves killed pets or live stock in Pierce or King County am guessing it would be treated much differently.


F or now the wolves are only affecting the east side red necks And evil ranchers who homesteaded on the N Canadian wolves' historical territory.

typical NIMBY syndrome

What is it that you'd want them to be forthcoming about? That wolves are here, they're increasing in number, they eat deer, elk, livestock, and people's pets, and there's no way to control their numbers?

Wait. Don't we already know all that stuff? Some of it is nothing more than common sense. And the rest of it did come from the WDFW.

Why do we want a government agency to waste their time and our money telling us stuff that we already know?

[dingle]

So, reading all of these comments about the wolf in our state. One person is saying roll over and take it laying down and others want to be pro active and keep our wdfw in check. The wet side has voting mass so if you don't keep them informed about all that is happening nothing happens about managing the wolf. I have experanced first hand WDFW and what they intentionally forget to tell you, They had been pating for wolf kills up out of the loop loop pass area for years, oh did I forget to say wolf's have been in that area since 1986, we seen one back then and after that too. There is one problem with all of this unless WDFW see's the wolf personly it didn't exist. I will say the games on the ground I have had good dealing with most them.       

[wolfbait]

So, reading all of these comments about the wolf in our state. One person is saying roll over and take it laying down and others want to be pro active and keep our wdfw in check. The wet side has voting mass so if you don't keep them informed about all that is happening nothing happens about managing the wolf. I have experanced first hand WDFW and what they intentionally forget to tell you, They had been pating for wolf kills up out of the loop loop pass area for years, oh did I forget to say wolf's have been in that area since 1986, we seen one back then and after that too. There is one problem with all of this unless WDFW see's the wolf personly it didn't exist. I will say the games on the ground I have had good dealing with most them.       

"There is one problem with all of this unless WDFW see's the wolf personly it didn't exist."

WDFW know where their wolves are, they recieve many wolf complaints every day, which they then ignore, talk to the people of the Okanogan!

Here's and example, This spring I talk to a lady at the Chronicle who told me they have been having trouble with wolves going through their yard on a regular basis, they call WDFW and are ignored. Another guy I talk to last week said the they are seeing wolves in the Omak Flats area, WDFW are ignoring those reports also. He also told me that most of the Okanogan county is turning into a shoot-on-sight county.

Take the Methow Valley, WDFW and the USFWS both have been caught bald face lying about the Golden Doe cow and calf, and in 2009 that cow and calf were not the only livestock killed by wolves. In 2008 the owner of the Golden Doe lost a mule to wolves in the same area, but because he was in a deal with WDFW to sell them land he said nothing.

Last year Bernard Therlow lost one calf to wolves and had a couple of others chewed up, Bernard saw the wolves on his calf,, WDF&wolves still failed to call it a confirmed wolf kill.

There have been several other livestock killings by wolves, in the Methow, but just like other states unless you have a picture of the wolf killing the cow or calf, WDFW will not confirm.

Remember the calf this spring, that should have been a confirmed wolf kill, WDFW refuse to even call the owner of the calf with their findings. The frauds at WDF&Wolves are WA's main wolf problem. I wonder if Anderson already has a job lined up with Defenders of Wildlife when the chit hits the fan?

[WAcoyotehunter]

How were they "caught" in a bald faced lie, and by whom?  Cows often die while calving... you've posted the picture a hundred times, but it doesn't show anything.  So, who caught the WDFW in a lie?  You?  The Rancher? 

[wolfbait]

How were they "caught" in a bald faced lie, and by whom?  Cows often die while calving... you've posted the picture a hundred times, but it doesn't show anything.  So, who caught the WDFW in a lie?  You?  The Rancher?

You must be on a roll W-C I will explain it to you tonight, I would apreciate it if you would copy and paste the info. somewhere in your vast knowgedge of wolf info documentation, so I don't have to go over it with you again> maybe send a copy to Fitkin so that next time, he deletes all the pictures that are incriminating.

[Dhoey07]

What is it that you'd want them to be forthcoming about? That wolves are here, they're increasing in number, they eat deer, elk, livestock, and people's pets, and there's no way to control their numbers?

Wait. Don't we already know all that stuff? Some of it is nothing more than common sense. And the rest of it did come from the WDFW.

Why do we want a government agency to waste their time and our money telling us stuff that we already know?

Knowing is one thing, WDFW saying/admitting it is another 

[WAcoyotehunter]

How were they "caught" in a bald faced lie, and by whom?  Cows often die while calving... you've posted the picture a hundred times, but it doesn't show anything.  So, who caught the WDFW in a lie?  You?  The Rancher?

You must be on a roll W-C I will explain it to you tonight, I would apreciate it if you would copy and paste the info. somewhere in your vast knowgedge of wolf info documentation, so I don't have to go over it with you again> maybe send a copy to Fitkin so that next time, he deletes all the pictures that are incriminating.

Just answer the question.  I don't need a riddle.  Just an answer.  Who caught them in a "bald faced lie"?

[woodswalker]

What is it that you'd want them to be forthcoming about? That wolves are here, they're increasing in number, they eat deer, elk, livestock, and people's pets, and there's no way to control their numbers?

Wait. Don't we already know all that stuff? Some of it is nothing more than common sense. And the rest of it did come from the WDFW.

Why do we want a government agency to waste their time and our money telling us stuff that we already know?

Except that it is NOT common sense in the concrete canyons and the vast parks of Pugetopolis...Where wolves are FUN CUDDLEY DISNEY animals who would NEVER HURT ANOTHER ANIMAL...unless its old or sick or weak...or young or outnumbered or just in the wrong place at the wrong time.....
                   

[bearpaw]

WDFW in their latest weekly wildlife report did report a predation in the Wedge area.

http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/about/wildlife_weekly/2013/wildlife_weekly_2013jul22.pdf

Thanks... glad to see! 

[Elkaholic daWg]

What is it that you'd want them to be forthcoming about? That wolves are here, they're increasing in number, they eat deer, elk, livestock, and people's pets, and there's no way to control their numbers?

Wait. Don't we already know all that stuff? Some of it is nothing more than common sense. And the rest of it did come from the WDFW.

Why do we want a government agency to waste their time and our money telling us stuff that we already know?

Yes, but it is the NO common sense, Disney bunch in pugetropolis that needs to hear this over and over all the time to see if a shread of  useful grey matter is left in them that they might see the dim light at the end of the libbie tunnel. If it's just "We", we're screwed. We need the other common sense outdoor enthusiasts  as much as possible.

[Kain]

They are required by state law to post reports online.  If you guys know of instances that do not make it on the list you really need to bring it to their attention and to your state rep.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/index.php?species=3&county=&year=2013