Found another dead head...bummer

[Coastal_native]

Found this while working today.  It's the third branch bull I've found that was in fairly good  condition.  I wish it was the one I lost last year.  Makes me wonder how often it happens.

I tried to put it back together for fun...proved to myself that I don't know much about the leg bones

[woodman]

It does happen every so often.

[rtspring]

I know those horns are not still in the woods    What a shame!!! Guess thats nature...

[Coastal_native]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

[elkslayer069]

Yes it does heres the last one i found

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[h2ofowlr]

All nice bulls.  The bottom one looks like a good St. Helens rag horn spin off.

[hogsniper]

Do you guys think these were all shot and not recovered? Cool finds non the less!

[cougarbart]

my guess is a big cat really working that area!

[724wd]

found a whole skeleton tangled in a fence YEARS ago... Dayton.  couldn't had to let it just LAY there!   

(then i photoshopped it onto this tree!   )

[Coastal_native]

I smell a dead head thread coming...

[mrgoodwrench]

I find them at work too.  The ones with arrows in the bones are easy to solve, but I'd bet the majority have lead poisoning and not some natural cause.

[woodman]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

If its on the west side of I-5 it a true Rosie.  If its on the east side of I-5 it's a cascade roosevelt.

[Harborhunter]

Nice find coastal.

[woodman]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

If its on the west side of I-5 it a true Rosie.  If its on the east side of I-5 it's a cascade roosevelt.

Thank you very much. It would be a Cascade Roosevelt.

[mrgoodwrench]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

If its on the west side of I-5 it a true Rosie.  If its on the east side of I-5 it's a cascade roosevelt.

Thank you very much. It would be a Cascade Roosevelt.

And to add to it, I would say that the REALLY TRUE Roosevelts are on the Olympic Peninsula.  I read one time that some Rocky bulls were planted in SW WA.

[Jonathan_S]

I read one time that some Rocky bulls were planted in SW WA.

I read that too.  On this thread   

[grundy53]

I read one time that some Rocky bulls were planted in SW WA.

I read that too.  On this thread   

It's on the internet it must be true.... They can't put anything on there that isn't true, right?? 

[724wd]

uhh... bonjour!   

[elkhuntingcouple]

Is this in the hoof rot areas? I'm sure we have lost a lot of them unbelievable pain for those animals

[Coastal_native]

Is this in the hoof rot areas? I'm sure we have lost a lot of them unbelievable pain for those animals

Not mine.  Lower Quinault area.

[dreamunelk]

There is million reasons for a bull dying beside lead or arrow poisoning.  It does happen.  Also not a cat.  You can tell by the rostrum.  That is how cats kill elk.  Not all figure it out.  A lot get stomped to death.

[tonymiller7]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

If its on the west side of I-5 it a true Rosie.  If its on the east side of I-5 it's a cascade roosevelt.

Thank you very much. It would be a Cascade Roosevelt.

To be clear this is only how WDFW defines the difference.  There are definitely Roosevelts east of I-5, and Rockies west, and I'm sure hybrids as well.  But Roosevelts and Rockies are pretty easy to tell apart.  Especially bulls.

[boneaddict]

I like your office Coastal

[Coastal_native]

I like your office Coastal

  It's spacious isn't it. 

[boneaddict]

I have a question for you.  Sending you a pm in a minute

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Someone lost a real trophy woodman.  Is that a true Rosie?

I don't know, how do you tell?

If its on the west side of I-5 it a true Rosie.  If its on the east side of I-5 it's a cascade roosevelt.

Thank you very much. It would be a Cascade Roosevelt.

To be clear this is only how WDFW defines the difference.  There are definitely Roosevelts east of I-5, and Rockies west, and I'm sure hybrids as well.  But Roosevelts and Rockies are pretty easy to tell apart.  Especially bulls.

It's how pope and young tell the differnce as well.  Not sure but I think boone and crocket uses the I-5 corridor to determine specific species too.   

[Holg3107]

Quick question: If I remember correctly Coastal you are a Native American correct? If so are you able to take the deadheads out of the woods with you? Either way really cool find and I have to agree with Bone, you have a much better view out your office window than I do!!!

[Coastal_native]

Quick question: If I remember correctly Coastal you are a Native American correct? If so are you able to take the deadheads out of the woods with you? Either way really cool find and I have to agree with Bone, you have a much better view out your office window than I do!!!

We have no laws specific to dead heads.  So a better question would be, if i lawfully collected a dead head in an area that my tribe has jurisdictions over me, could I give it to you without putting you in violation of Washington state law...hmmmmmmmmmm.  sketchy

[Holg3107]

We have no laws specific to dead heads.  So a better question would be, if i lawfully collected a dead head in an area that my tribe has jurisdictions over me, could I give it to you without putting you in violation of Washington state law...hmmmmmmmmmm.  sketchy

HMMMM..... Now that is interesting way of looking at it!!! I have no idea? Again very cool finds.

[mrgoodwrench]

I read one time that some Rocky bulls were planted in SW WA.

I read that too.  On this thread   

It's on the internet it must be true.... They can't put anything on there that isn't true, right?? 

"Coastal Plains and Mountains
We collected data from 4 elk herds west of Interstate 5 in western Washington that we refer to as
(1) Forks (10 km north of Forks on the Olympic Peninsula [48o 00’, 124o 22’]), (2) Wynoochee
(50 km west of Olympia [47o 15’, 123o 38’]), (3) Chehalis Valley (30 km southwest of Olympia
[46o 50’, 123o 20’]), and (4) Willapa Hills (75 km south of Olympia [46o 30’, 123o 10’]). In
general, elk herds in this region are presumed to be the Roosevelt subspecies (C. e. roosevelti),
although elk of the Rocky Mountain subspecies (C. e. nelsoni) were transported and released
near the coast, at least in western Oregon, just after the turn of the century (Harper 1987)."

https://research.wsulibs.wsu.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2376/2887/Cook_wsu_0251E_10121.pdf?sequence=1

This isn't the document I read it in, it was something else that used to be on the WDFW site.  But this reference to Harper might be where the WDFW info came from, although this excerpt only references Oregon for sure.

[snowpack]

The elk in Alaska are transplanted roosevelts from the peninsula, from the Hoh River.