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Quote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 03:53:08 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 03:49:31 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:41:48 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:07 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights. Ok, but this is the statement I am referring to. It appears you are advocating that we be diligent and "check out" anyone we make a private sale to. Is that what you meant? Cause if so that is EXACTLY what the gov't wants.I'm done. You know exactly what I said and meant. Time to go camping/scouting. Bye all.If I did I wouldn't be asking. Don't get your undies in a bunch. Just asking you to clarify and or back up what you said. I agree with Piano, the big difference is that the private seller is not RECORDING and KEEPING a list of who is buying what to be used against the buyer at a later date.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 03:49:31 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:41:48 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:07 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights. Ok, but this is the statement I am referring to. It appears you are advocating that we be diligent and "check out" anyone we make a private sale to. Is that what you meant? Cause if so that is EXACTLY what the gov't wants.I'm done. You know exactly what I said and meant. Time to go camping/scouting. Bye all.If I did I wouldn't be asking. Don't get your undies in a bunch. Just asking you to clarify and or back up what you said.
Quote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:41:48 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:07 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights. Ok, but this is the statement I am referring to. It appears you are advocating that we be diligent and "check out" anyone we make a private sale to. Is that what you meant? Cause if so that is EXACTLY what the gov't wants.I'm done. You know exactly what I said and meant. Time to go camping/scouting. Bye all.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:07 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights. Ok, but this is the statement I am referring to. It appears you are advocating that we be diligent and "check out" anyone we make a private sale to. Is that what you meant? Cause if so that is EXACTLY what the gov't wants.
Quote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.
Quote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.
Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.
Quote from: lokidog on August 21, 2013, 08:52:33 AMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 03:53:08 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 03:49:31 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:41:48 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:07 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:23:09 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 02:19:59 PMQuote from: turkeyfeather on August 02, 2013, 02:11:30 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on August 02, 2013, 01:58:46 PMEveryone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't to keep them from doing though.It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.Yes, you totally misunderstand me. I'm saying that if we take personal responsibility which nets positive results, then the general public will support us in keeping our rights when the dictator wants to take personal then away and force us to do his bidding. It's an enormous difference. Voluntary responsibility v. Losing our rights. Ok, but this is the statement I am referring to. It appears you are advocating that we be diligent and "check out" anyone we make a private sale to. Is that what you meant? Cause if so that is EXACTLY what the gov't wants.I'm done. You know exactly what I said and meant. Time to go camping/scouting. Bye all.If I did I wouldn't be asking. Don't get your undies in a bunch. Just asking you to clarify and or back up what you said. I agree with Piano, the big difference is that the private seller is not RECORDING and KEEPING a list of who is buying what to be used against the buyer at a later date.But your still doing a check. Whether you keep the info or not your still doing a background check which is the exact same thing the gov't wants to do that we are fighting. To me it's not all that different.
Turkeyf, not sure how you cannot see the difference between someone being responsible about who they sell their firearm to and the government wanting and keeping records of who owns what so that they can come get it if they feel like it.I don't know how to put it more clearly so I'm over and out on this as well, I guess.
Quote from: lokidog on August 21, 2013, 09:18:13 AMTurkeyf, not sure how you cannot see the difference between someone being responsible about who they sell their firearm to and the government wanting and keeping records of who owns what so that they can come get it if they feel like it.I don't know how to put it more clearly so I'm over and out on this as well, I guess. It's difficult when someone won't see what you're saying because their own voice is so loud in their head. He's not going to be able to get this.
Yeah, you thought I was talking to you. I wasn't.
Having a yard sale at my moms house and I was going to try and sell an SKS that have. All was well and good then my Brother-in-law who is a cop tells my mom she cant sell it. "What if you sell it to a convicted felon?" he asked her. Well sir, this is America and last I checked the private sales of firearms are completely legal! This is not Communist Russia! I cant believe this crap. What if you sell a car to a guy with 9 DUI's? we can what-if forever. The point is it's legal and there is no reason that she cant sell my gun. I do not believe in mandatory registration!
