No private gun sales! Poppycock!!

[Curly]

I don't know Bobcat. The op said his BIL said can't. Not shouldn't. But your right a cpl is not required to purchase a long gun. I personally wouldn't require one. I would simply ask the purchaser if he maintains his legal rights to own a firearm and if he says he does then you have CYA and done all you need to do by law.

A CPL isn't even required to purchase a pistol.

I'd do the same thing when selling a firearm.  Just ask the buyer if he can legally own the firearm.  Then it is up to you whether you believe them or not. 

I also understand those that don't want to take the risk of taking someone's word on it. 

(Of course, I'm also of the opinion that the law should allow some felons that have done their time and paid their debt to society, the right to own firearms........but that is a whole other discussion there.)

[pianoman9701]

I don't know Bobcat. The op said his BIL said can't. Not shouldn't. But your right a cpl is not required to purchase a long gun. I personally wouldn't require one. I would simply ask the purchaser if he maintains his legal rights to own a firearm and if he says he does then you have CYA and done all you need to do by law.

A CPL isn't even required to purchase a pistol.

I'd do the same thing when selling a firearm.  Just ask the buyer if he can legally own the firearm.  Then it is up to you whether you believe them or not. 

I also understand those that don't want to take the risk of taking someone's word on it. 

(Of course, I'm also of the opinion that the law should allow some felons that have done their time and paid their debt to society, the right to own firearms........but that is a whole other discussion there.)

[/b][/u]

I agree with this and still understand that knowingly selling them a firearm is a felony for me. No way, baby!

[turkeyfeather]

I don't know Bobcat. The op said his BIL said can't. Not shouldn't. But your right a cpl is not required to purchase a long gun. I personally wouldn't require one. I would simply ask the purchaser if he maintains his legal rights to own a firearm and if he says he does then you have CYA and done all you need to do by law.

A CPL isn't even required to purchase a pistol.

I'd do the same thing when selling a firearm.  Just ask the buyer if he can legally own the firearm.  Then it is up to you whether you believe them or not. 

I also understand those that don't want to take the risk of taking someone's word on it. 

(Of course, I'm also of the opinion that the law should allow some felons that have done their time and paid their debt to society, the right to own firearms........but that is a whole other discussion there.)

Your right and I do know that. I was just referring to Bobcat's comment. I do however require a cpl if I am selling a handgun. Otherwise I will send it to a ffl at the purchaser's expense.

[BsB]

Don't get your Kevlar in a bunch, Bobcat. Requiring a CPL is for the seller's benefit in case the gun is used in a crime and traced back to him. No one has to do it, but I do. I've sold a couple of firearms to members of this forum and want to see it. I just like to cover my bases and I'm not infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights by doing it. If they're legal, they can buy a gun anywhere. I'm not stopping them from doing that.

The buyer having a CPL doesn't guarantee they won't commit a crime with the firearm, just says they can own/conceal one. A bill of sale on the sellers end would be able to prove you were not in possession/ownership of said firearm if it were to be used in a crime at a later date.

I can't quote it at the moment but I thought the law said it was illegal to sell to a "known" felon?  Still, wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of finding out down the road that that person turned out to be a felon and acquired said firearm from me. If you really wanted to be sure, do an FFL transfer.

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[CAMPMEAT]

Look up, Straw Purchases, for gun sales.

[xd2005]

The laws says you cannot deliver to someone that you have reasonable cause to believe is ineligible to possess. RCW 9.41.080

[ELKBURGER]

Im sure if you asked a 'not known felon' if they could legally own a gun they would say 'yes' and not disclose their personal record. Afterall.....they are a felon and could lie through their teeth.

[pianoman9701]

Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.

It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.

[CoryTDF]

Honestly after i sell a gun it's out of my life and my mind. I don't care what happens with it. I have no feeling of responsibility for bad decisions made by other people. If i sell a knife and a guys stabs a person i don't feel bad that i sold the knife. I feel bad the guy made a bad choice but it's not my fault he did that.

[Bigshooter]

Some of you guys worry way to much.

[CoryTDF]

Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.

It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.

So private sellers should now require that Guns be registered? doesn't that pretty much negate the purpose of a private sale. I do not believe in gun registration. Plain and simple. If you pick up my rifle look it over look like you know what you are doing and dont look like a dirt bag i'm fine with selling it to you.

[turkeyfeather]

Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.

It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.

In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't  to keep them from doing though.

[sticky]

You're debating legal vs. moral responsibility. Seldom do the two match up.

[pianoman9701]

Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.

It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.

In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't  to keep them from doing though.

It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.

[turkeyfeather]

Everyone who says it's not required is absolutely correct. Our rights, however, are under attack and our actions, under a microscope. There are a large percentage of Americans who stupidly think that we no longer need the 2nd Amendment. If one of us sells to someone without checking and that person uses the firearm to commit a crime, it's a black eye on personal sales and a one-way ticket to new laws.

It's like ethical behavior while hunting. There are many things that aren't against the rules that would make hunting look bad to the over 96% of people who don't hunt. You can be indignant and refuse to do the things which will help us maintain a positive public profile, or you can choose not to and risk losing the support of the general public. I choose to be careful when selling a firearm to another. Do what you want.

In a sense this isn't all that different than what we are fighting the gov't  to keep them from doing though.

It's actually the opposite of what the government is trying to do. It's taking on personal responsibility and preventing problems instead of ignoring it and waiting for the dictator to tell us what to do.

But your doing an impromptu background check before selling any firearm. Which is exactly what the gov't wants. All gun purchases to be checked prior to sale. Unless I totally mis understood you.