We used the ATV because I shot him in the bottom we were lucky and was able to get right down to him on a old skid road then drug him about half way out before I gutted him out on the way out we had me on the back deer on front and my friend driving we stopped in one more spot so my buddy could walk one area he jumped up the biggest buck he has every seen down there and that's saying something made mine look like a baby didn't even get the gun up before he was gone