muzzle loader regs questions

[W_Ellison2011]

Ok so I'm not trying to start an argument or anything of that sort. I'm just wanting some information. So I've seen a lot of people hunting in Washington state with the inline muzzle loaders. My question is.. are they legal? I know that stock they aren't because they require a 209 primer and some people claim there is something you can buy to change it from using a 209 primer. My real thing is that according to the regulations it states that the cap MUST be EXPOSED to the elements at all times. Is there an insert for these muzzle loaders that allows the cap to be in the open even when the bolts are shut or for the break open ones is there something that you put onto them to expose them?

[carpsniperg2]

A lot of inline muzzleloaders can be made legal by changing the breech plug over to shoot 11 or musket caps. So in short terms yes a inline is legal as long as they use 11 or musket caps.

[W_Ellison2011]

that's not true actually carpsniperg2 because the inline muzzleloaders enclose the caps thus shielding them from the weather.  Is there a part that can change that?

[paytonma]

that's not true actually carpsniperg2 because the inline muzzleloaders enclose the caps thus shielding them from the weather.  Is there a part that can change that?

not all inlines enclose the cap lots of different kinds

[bobcat]

Most of the inlines being used in this state are legal but in my opinion they do not meet the intent of the law. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the wording of the law was meant to make inlines illegal. The muzzleloader makers got around it by making a very small hole that does cause the nipple to be "exposed to the elements," although they are much less exposed than the nipples on traditional muzzleloaders. And, the WDFW says they meet the definition of the law so they are legal according to them.

[carpsniperg2]

It is true You are the the one asking.

Not all inlines close like you are talking about. knight tc cva traditions etc all have guns that are inline and have some kind of open breech.

[W_Ellison2011]

bobcat you are the only one that has given me a decent response on this. I've been asking it for years now and that response will satisfy me. I agree that the regs were written in a way that inlines were meant to be illegal to hunt with in Washington. My reasoning behind this is because they want muzzleloader hunters to have more of a challenge and with the inlines now they can shoot 250-300 yards where as like with my old hawkens .50 cal I wouldn't shoot beyond 100 yards even with a sabot.

[carpsniperg2]

  Some people. You ask for a answer and based on your personal thoughts you reject the answer that is given. 

[Whitpirate]

Ah Pilgrims.... gotta love 'em.

[ghosthunter]

I have a  knight buck horn in line. The bolt in the ready to fire position is a 1/2 inch from covering the cap.

[Bob33]

My reasoning behind this is because they want muzzleloader hunters to have more of a challenge and with the inlines now they can shoot 250-300 yards where as like with my old hawkens .50 cal I wouldn't shoot beyond 100 yards even with a sabot.

Ignition has nothing to do with range. Sights are the primary limitation, and always have been.

[10thmountainarcher]

I think ignition does have to something to do with accuracy as far as pressures and everything are concerned.  I shoot a black diamond xr. It is very legal in Washington state shooting a musket cap.

[Sabotloader]

Ok so I'm not trying to start an argument or anything of that sort. I'm just wanting some information. So I've seen a lot of people hunting in Washington state with the inline muzzle loaders. My question is.. are they legal? I know that stock they aren't because they require a 209 primer and some people claim there is something you can buy to change it from using a 209 primer. My real thing is that according to the regulations it states that the cap MUST be EXPOSED to the elements at all times. Is there an insert for these muzzle loaders that allows the cap to be in the open even when the bolts are shut or for the break open ones is there something that you put onto them to expose them?

This is a Knight DISC Extreme - Inline bolt rifle... It has a Western Kit installed and it and shoots percussion caps.

The rule suggests that when the rifle is in the ready to fire position the cap must be visible and exposed to the weather.



This was approved by all three Pacific Northwest States Fish and Game Departments.

 

[10thmountainarcher]

Ok so I'm not trying to start an argument or anything of that sort. I'm just wanting some information. So I've seen a lot of people hunting in Washington state with the inline muzzle loaders. My question is.. are they legal? I know that stock they aren't because they require a 209 primer and some people claim there is something you can buy to change it from using a 209 primer. My real thing is that according to the regulations it states that the cap MUST be EXPOSED to the elements at all times. Is there an insert for these muzzle loaders that allows the cap to be in the open even when the bolts are shut or for the break open ones is there something that you put onto them to expose them?

This is a Knight DISC Extreme - Inline bolt rifle... It has a Western Kit installed and it and shoots percussion caps.

The rule suggests that when the rifle is in the ready to fire position the cap must be visible and exposed to the weather.



This was approved by all three Pacific Northwest States Fish and Game Departments.

Please copy and paste in the regs where you are finding where it says "ready to fire" I am in the rules section on page 76 and can not find "ready to fire" anywhere in that section. It says "Exposed to the weather means the
percussion cap or the frizzen must
be visible and not capable of being
enclosed by an integral part of the
weapon proper"

[10thmountainarcher]

I am not saying yours is not legal, because with your bolt down, that notch is cut out to expose the cap at all times.