Obama and Bloomberg Use December 14 to Promote Gun Control

[rbinhood]

Elkaholic, you are right, it appears the Nazi comparisons were started by ricochet. I stand corrected if you are disavowing comparing liberals to Nazis?

[TONTO]

I disagree that the Second Amendment, or the Constitution, for that matter, belong to one political party, faction, or group, although several seem to think they own it. People have a right to disagree with your viewpoints.

 I do agree, the Constitution, including the Second Amendment, dosen't belong to one party, it belong's to "WE THE PEOPLE" and niether party should think they should be able to change it. As far as the NRA being a tool for one party, the NRA does what it does and that is fight for our constitution and 2nd amendment rights, thing is, I only see one party trying to destroy those at every opportunity.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Elkaholic, you are right, it appears the Nazi comparisons were started by ricochet. I stand corrected if you are disavowing comparing liberals to Nazis?

Stupid in large numbers is VERY bad

[deltaops]

Some people just do not see it coming.

I have a friend who is in the military, he hasn't worn civilian clothes in about 5 years. We have discussions about the president And the office taking our firearms away. It is never a if with him, it is always when.

Slowly it is being imbedded into peoples heads that we do not need firearms. It is trickling down to our children. If we continue to let it happen, it will happen, it is just a matter of when.

If you can not see it happening then you are either for it or you have not woken up yet.

[snowpack]

Some people just do not see it coming.

I have a friend who is in the military, he hasn't worn civilian clothes in about 5 years. We have discussions about the president And the office taking our firearms away. It is never a if with him, it is always when.

Slowly it is being imbedded into peoples heads that we do not need firearms. It is trickling down to our children. If we continue to let it happen, it will happen, it is just a matter of when.

If you can not see it happening then you are either for it or you have not woken up yet.

I was just reading some articles about where people are relocating.  For 2013, it was Oregon at the top of the list and then followed by other Western and Southern states.  Most of those people were relocating from the Northeast and were 'young professionals'.  Many were citing jobs and urban arts/entertainment as reasons to move.  So, you have a group that has been raised in one of the least gun friendly regions of the country that is trending more and more to moving into the more gun friendly areas at rates faster than the opposite is occurring.  So, unlikely that the Northeast will become any more pro-gun; but seems like the voting bases in the states that are getting most of the transplants would get more of a 'northeast flavor'.     Maybe once they have lived in their new states they'll realize that guns aren't the boogeyman that some of their home states make them seem.

[arees]

When I took economics, I was taught about supply and demand. If supply goes down and demand goes up, the price that can be charged for available goods goes up, too. Less ammo means manufacturers can charge more for what they produce. One possible explanation is that the manufacturers have created a false scarcity to drive the price up, something big pharma does with drugs. I will grant you that another possible explanation is government purchases, however, the timing of the scarcity is what concerns me. Nobody had any  trouble getting ammo until all of these emails started going around about Obama taking guns and ammo, which to date, have proven false. However, all of my conservative friends who circulate these emails are also the ones stockpiling ammo like there is no tomorrow. My choice is to not buy into all of these fear based, "the sky is falling" communications. I hope that others may see the value in that too.

I can tell you that I am having a hard time "stockpiling" ammunition.  I can't find any to buy.

My recollection is that supplies of reloading components dried up first, while Obama was pretending to not be interested in gun control.  For example, primers were scarce when loaded ammunition was still readily available.  I just did a spot check on Midway for "large rifle primers" under the  "primers" category.  There are 22 matching products.  None of which are in stock.  Midway's description for "Out of Stock, No Backorder" is:

Product is not available for order, and we cannot offer a backorder option because the manufacturer is unable to provide us with a reliable "Date expected in stock." In most cases, this is due to unusually high demand or a lack of raw materials. As soon as we have reliable information, we will update the status of the product.

At the time I first heard of primers becoming scares the explanation was that military contracts were taking up all the available resources.  Back then I backordered some and they eventually showed up.  Now if I needed more I can not even backorder them.

If it is simply a stockpiling issue, how many years can it go on?  Eventually people run out of space to put these things and the supply chain catches up. 

Why can't the manufacturers provide a reliable "Date expected in stock?"  Knowing the rate your factory produces product and how many orders you have is a simple business function unless something is disrupting your incoming supplies or you have large priority orders that you can not predict.

Remmington is opening a new ammunition factory.  This would imply that they believe there is a sustained increase in demand and not a short term availability issue.  You don't build a new factory for a short term run on a product.

I'm not sure what is driving the scarcity, but observations at gun shows and Walmart don't provide answers.

[deltaops]

Some people just do not see it coming.

I have a friend who is in the military, he hasn't worn civilian clothes in about 5 years. We have discussions about the president And the office taking our firearms away. It is never a if with him, it is always when.

Slowly it is being imbedded into peoples heads that we do not need firearms. It is trickling down to our children. If we continue to let it happen, it will happen, it is just a matter of when.

If you can not see it happening then you are either for it or you have not woken up yet.

I meant to say he hasn't worn military clothing in over 5 years but he is still in.