Fresh Tracks TV Series Supports The Loss Of Big Game Hunting Opportunities

[bearpaw]

Your yellowstone example is full of fallacies,...but lets just get one thing straight: Logging and fires have huge  impacts to elk numbers and if you can't see that...well there is no point trying to explain it to you.  The boom in elk numbers in Idaho in the 70's and 80's was a direct result of heavy logging post WWII.   

Now, since you don't want to talk science please address my other question: Who was axed at IDFG "by the people of Idaho"?  Please be specific...or retract your mis-informed statement.

Dude, I am all about the real science. What are you talking about that I don't agree with logging/fire improving elk numbers? Of course it does! I always say we need more logging. 

Idaho got rid of their former director and the Salmon region director (maybe you think they retired on their own wishes) both of which were big supporters of wolves. It's no secret the IDFG leadership is much better now, thus better wolf management decisions being made, but there are still a few IDFG wolf supporters which need to hit the road.

[idahohuntr]

So this whole aging forest habitat theory isn't worth the paper it's written on.

This is where I am getting your "logging and fire don't improve elk numbers" stance.  But they say 90% of communication is non-verbal so maybe I missed something...    

Im not sure which guys specifically you are talking about Former director and Salmon region RS...the most recent ones to retire?   However, the primary biologists and wildlife admin staff are the same guys and have been for at least the last 12-15 years or so.  I do not believe there are any "greenies" with any power at all in IDFG...they are very much a hook and bullet agency from top to bottom.   

[bearpaw]

So this whole aging forest habitat theory isn't worth the paper it's written on.

This is where I am getting your "logging and fire don't improve elk numbers" stance.  But they say 90% of communication is non-verbal so maybe I missed something...    

Im not sure which guys specifically you are talking about Former director and Salmon region RS...the most recent ones to retire?   However, the primary biologists and wildlife admin staff are the same guys and have been for at least the last 12-15 years or so.  I do not believe there are any "greenies" with any power at all in IDFG...they are very much a hook and bullet agency from top to bottom.

Yes, you must have misunderstood that, maybe I wrote it in a confusing manner, sorry if I did.

What I explicitly meant is that habitat theory is not an accurate explanation for not having any elk in the mountains when L&C crossed the Rockies, this is proven by the large elk herds in YNP prior to the big fire and intro of wolves. YNP history shows us there can be large numbers of elk in an over aged forest with other predators until there are large numbers of unmanaged wolves.