PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[ucwarden]

One person shows are rarely effective with issues like this. To succeed, you need to enlist the support of some groups with like interests and concerns.

And as I mentioned about 20 pages ago...you have to focus on solving a problem and provide a realistic solution.  Regardless of intent I guarantee your petition and letter are coming across to many recipients as nothing more than a disgruntled employee trying to seek revenge on his old bosses.  I did not sign your petition...I think you are well meaning in improving wdfw enforcement...but you never offered up any long-term solutions.  You got a decent response from sportsmen and it sounds like some legislators...maybe you could scale back and look for one or two high priority things to fix and push those issues.

The solution is removal of the top administrators in WDFW (Enforcement), and replacement with open, honest and qualified leaders.  Step one is to remove them, step two is to replace them with honest, fair and qualified administrators.  I realize many people may view me as a single disgruntled ex-employee, and that is their (or your) right, but there are many WDFW officers who are right along-side me in this fight, but they don't have the option of going public. 
Some of you have been critical, or doubtful of my "cause", but when of if all the details come out, you will be stunned.  I am not just wandering around in the dark taking weak shots.
I really wish I could enlighten all of you on the information I have, and have distributed to the lawmakers, but at this point I can't. 
However, Bobcat did somehow see my letter (I think he has a friend in the legislature), so ask him if he feels I have enough. 

[trophyhunt]

You need to make this public

I am well aware of the fact that going public adds pressure to all involved to actually follow through and take action.
But, there are dozens of allegations in my letter, and an attorney advised me to keep it between myself and the lawmakers, to avoid any allegation of me intentionally trying to destroy people's reputations.  In other words; keeping it between myself and lawmakers reduces the administrator's odds of successfully arguing defamation of character.

I am trying the least intrusive approach, and am not ready to give up on that yet.  Also; there is at least one reporter who has the story and he should be coming out with it soon.

please keep up the fight!  This is a true testament to your patience and willingness to see this through, again thank you.  If possible could you give us a heads up before the reporter goes on?

[Knocker of rocks]

Well what ever you do, you need to remove this layer of secrecy and the aura of being a disgruntled ex employee with a chip on your shoulder.

[TwoSixFourWins]

Signed. Don't give up. Too many agencies on all levels have forgotten the reasons they were established and pander to their buddies and those writing the checks rather than doing their job. In my opinion game management and regulations in this state are a joke as well as being needlessly complicated. There is no reason a fishing regs book needs to be as thick as National Geographic, and hunting regs almost as complicated.

[idahohuntr]

Fair enough...There is this other thing called a "leak"...gov officials do it all the time.  Enough different people/legislators etc. have this letter that it would be impossible to prove who distributed it to the public if it were to "appear"  

But if you are certain in the accuracy of your allegations I don't understand why you won't go public?  Do you have doubts about the supporting evidence you have for your allegations? 

[Curly]

The letter was leaked apparently.  I read the letter over on piscatorial pursuits forum several weeks ago.

[Curly]

http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/901863/Searchpage/1/Main/75623/Words/vandivert/Search/true/Re_Call_for_WDFW_Director_Phil.html#Post901863

If that link above works, it should take you to a thread about removing Phil Anderson.  The second to last post has ucwarden's letter quoted from another thread.  I couldn't find that other thread.

[Knocker of rocks]

Not really much of a letter.

[Caseyd]

Not really much of a letter.

 

[Knocker of rocks]

Not really much of a letter.

 

As a synopsis:
1) Something happened in 1992
2) They didn't look long enough for a new Chief
3) A couple might have screwed
4) Two guys got fired
5) Somebody is a crappy driver

It really comes off as  being written by a disgruntled ex employee, with no basis to fire the Chiefs much less the Director.  Weeks and months of hinting about this powerhouse letter, and this is what it is.  No politician, member of the media or Attorney General will respond because there just isn't enough there.

[idahohuntr]

Not really much of a letter.

 

As a synopsis:
1) Something happened in 1992
2) They didn't look long enough for a new Chief
3) A couple might have screwed
4) Two guys got fired
5) Somebody is a crappy driver

It really comes off as  being written by a disgruntled ex employee, with no basis to fire the Chiefs much less the Director.  Weeks and months of hinting about this powerhouse letter, and this is what it is.  No politician, member of the media or Attorney General will respond because there just isn't enough there.

That is my take as well.

Uc- your heart is in the right place and you have done great things in your career for sportsmen in wa...but this letter isn't going anywhere. 

[Curly]

Why can't something be done? UC warden has outlined cases of corruption,  inappropriate behavior,  and provided several reasons why Cenci should not work for wdfw let alone be in his current position.   Sure, the letter could be written better, but I don't understand why something can't be done to remove Cenci.  I would hope that the governor is investigating the allegations outlined in the letter. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

Not really much of a letter.

 

As a synopsis:
1) Something happened in 1992
2) They didn't look long enough for a new Chief
3) A couple might have screwed
4) Two guys got fired
5) Somebody is a crappy driver

It really comes off as  being written by a disgruntled ex employee, with no basis to fire the Chiefs much less the Director.  Weeks and months of hinting about this powerhouse letter, and this is what it is.  No politician, member of the media or Attorney General will respond because there just isn't enough there.

Not really much of a letter.

 

As a synopsis:
1) Something happened in 1992
2) They didn't look long enough for a new Chief
3) A couple might have screwed
4) Two guys got fired
5) Somebody is a crappy driver

It really comes off as  being written by a disgruntled ex employee, with no basis to fire the Chiefs much less the Director.  Weeks and months of hinting about this powerhouse letter, and this is what it is.  No politician, member of the media or Attorney General will respond because there just isn't enough there.

That is my take as well.

Uc- your heart is in the right place and you have done great things in your career for sportsmen in wa...but this letter isn't going anywhere. 

 Many of us sure seem to have been programmed to minimize issues haven't we??       Hell Nixon resigned for MUCH less than one big ass mistake America has done

 As for his heart I feel we could only wish that new recruits would have anywhere near the heart that folks in UC's days had for the job !(without decades of greenie programming)

[billythekidrock]

Why can't something be done? UC warden has outlined cases of corruption,  inappropriate behavior,  and provided several reasons why Cenci should not work for wdfw let alone be in his current position.   Sure, the letter could be written better, but I don't understand why something can't be done to remove Cenci.  I would hope that the governor is investigating the allegations outlined in the letter. 

I agree. The letter could have been written much better. It does sound like a disgruntled ex-employee, but isn't that the fact of the matter? Sure the letter contains a lot of sour grapes type complaints, but some of complaints by themselves are serious enough to fire the average employee on the spot, let alone in total.

I would hope the governor would take the time to take a serious look at some of the allegations. Unless complicit, I don't see a reason to remove Anderson. If even only one or two of the serious allegations against Cenci are true, I think he needs to go.

[ucwarden]

Not really much of a letter.

 

As a synopsis:
1) Something happened in 1992
2) They didn't look long enough for a new Chief
3) A couple might have screwed
4) Two guys got fired
5) Somebody is a crappy driver

It really comes off as  being written by a disgruntled ex employee, with no basis to fire the Chiefs much less the Director.  Weeks and months of hinting about this powerhouse letter, and this is what it is.  No politician, member of the media or Attorney General will respond because there just isn't enough there.

Knocker of rocks:

It seems incredible that you sum up 8 pages of serious allegations into the above list.  Either you think this type of behavior is acceptable, or you didn't read the entire letter, or you just don't understand what you read, or you work in the WDFW headquarters.  Any one of these allegations would get an officer in serious trouble if not fired.  Remember these same characters fired an officer and demoted a Sgt. for much less.