D loop and peep sight alignment?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

So I have been shooting out back of my home latley to get in form for archery season.  I started working on a consistent anchor point and have realized my d loop when at full draw sits below the corner of my mouth to align the peep to my eye.  To get the peep aligned my d loop sits down on my chin.  Would this mean I need to lower my peep so the d loop sits in the corner of my mouth an the peep is aligned to my eye from that point?  I know my mock point is set proper.  Thanks for any tips on setting my bow up for consistent acurate kill shots.

[RadSav]

Could you clarify this a little better?  I'm confused as to what you are asking.

The peep sight can be moved wherever it needs to be to match your particular anchor point.  If that is what you are asking  

I usually teach guys to anchor lower when shooting a compound.  That puts the wrist and arm in a more relaxed position and you get more distance between the sight and your arrow.  But, it can be wherever you are more comfortable...just move the peep.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Thanks rad.  I think I will just move the peep down so it meets my eye as I settle in.  I just want it lined up as the d loop settles in to its anchor point in the corner of my mouth.  So if I move my peep down which way do I move the Sight housing?  I think it would be up correct?

[stuckalot]

FWIW, myself and people I know like to draw the bow, come to an anchor that is comfortable and repeatable, with my eyes closed. When I open my eyes I should be looking through the peep.  That's how I start off anyway.

[RadSav]

Thanks rad.  I think I will just move the peep down so it meets my eye as I settle in.  I just want it lined up as the d loop settles in to its anchor point in the corner of my mouth.  So if I move my peep down which way do I move the Sight housing?  I think it would be up correct?

Sight housing will also move down.  You may need to go have the string twisted after you move the peep.  So it's often advised to make these adjustments at a good archery shop.

[demontang]

  a lot of guys try to use the d loop to pull the string around and align the peep. This is the wrong method. You peep should be straight everytime you draw back twisting the string to align the peep. My own bow the peep and d loop are straight inline at rest.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Thanks demon.  My peep sits almost flat when at rest and the loop gives it a little turn so it's flat at full draw.  Never had a problem with it.  I think my peep is to high above my d loop.  If I put the d loop in the corner of my mouth the peep is too high.  So I've always just anchored a little lower to line the peep up to my eye and the sight housing.  But I want the consistent anchor point on my face to be right where the peep is in line.

[demontang]

I always anchor off my jaw which puta the string right throw the corner of my mouth. What do you anchor on now?

Ive seen dloops slip a little and the peep be off just enough in low light to have no sight picture which is bad news with a animal infront of you

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

I was anchoring on my jaw.  Thanks for the tips.

[Come Get Some]

When you draw your bow and anchor the string should cross the corner of your mouth and touch the center of your nose. That will give more than 1 reference. If the string floats out past your nose it will give you inconsistant groups, especially at longer distances. Close your eyes, draw your bow and anchor your string to the corner of your mouth and the tip of your nose. Open your eyes and move the peep to the correct position. If it goes up move your sight the same direction.

[demontang]

Tip of the nose isnt always a good thing. Depending on draw length and ata of the bow it can make lean your head trying to get the string to touch your nose.

[Come Get Some]

I disagree. I have a 30.5" draw length. I shoot all of my bows set up that way with no head lean. From my Ultra Elite xt3500 to my Carbon Element. If not you will have a floating anchor. Not consistant unless you are not that picky. I site in on a 2" dot at 80 yds and shoot my broadhead target site in at 100. Could not do it without a positive anchor.

[demontang]

short axle-to-axle length bows that produce an acute bowstring angle at full draw may not allow for bowstring-to-nosetip contact and still afford a comfortable anchor point. This is especially true for shooters with a long wingspan. The longer the draw length, the more acute the bowstring angle will be at full draw. For a long-draw-length shooter with a short axle-to-axle bow, it is appropriate for the bowstring to be located slightly in front of the nose when the bow is at full draw.  
My insanity cpx at a full 30" length with a 32" ata I could not put my nose to string without form issues, I was still able to sight in at 80yrds with broadheads and even cut a fletch when I shot two arrows.
With my insanity cpxl set at 31" with a 35" ata I can get the string to touch my nose same with a elite pure 31" with a 35" ata string can touch my nose.

Its geometry the angle of the string your anchor point play a factor with how close or far away from your nose the string will be, some people shoot a longer draw length to get it to which can cause other issues.

[RadSav]

If not you will have a floating anchor. Not consistant unless you are not that picky.

How did Frank Pearson ever win all those championships with his floating anchor?  How does Chuck Adams kill all those big animals at distance with his floating anchor?  How does Dave Cousins manage to consistently win with the string half way up the left side of his nose while anchoring on the right side of his face?  How is it that Dwight Schuh remains successful with that floating anchor of his?

While Reo Wilde, Chance Beaubouef, Levi Morgan and Jesse Broadwater are rewriting the target archery record books and each anchor the string to the tip of their nose.  It doesn't mean you have a floating anchor just because you "do not" or "can not" touch the tip of your nose to the string.  I would rather see a shooter use proper form and not touch the tip of their nose to the string than to use poor form and head position just to add a third point of reference to their anchor point.  If you can do it with proper form and proper draw length that's fantastic. But if you can't?  It's not the end of the world and you do not necessarily have a floating anchor!  Head vertical and forearm inline with the arrow is much more important than a third point of reference - IMO.

[Come Get Some]

If not you will have a floating anchor. Not consistant unless you are not that picky.

How did Frank Pearson ever win all those championships with his floating anchor?  How does Chuck Adams kill all those big animals at distance with his floating anchor?  How does Dave Cousins manage to consistently win with the string half way up the left side of his nose while anchoring on the right side of his face?  How is it that Dwight Schuh remains successful with that floating anchor of his?

While Reo Wilde, Chance Beaubouef, Levi Morgan and Jesse Broadwater are rewriting the target archery record books and each anchor the string to the tip of their nose.  It doesn't mean you have a floating anchor just because you "do not" or "can not" touch the tip of your nose to the string.  I would rather see a shooter use proper form and not touch the tip of their nose to the string than to use poor form and head position just to add a third point of reference to their anchor point.  If you can do it with proper form and proper draw length that's fantastic. But if you can't?  It's not the end of the world and you do not necessarily have a floating anchor!  Head vertical and forearm inline with the arrow is much more important than a third point of reference - IMO.

There are a few archers that are always an exception. Frank Pearson has benn a great ambassador to the sport. Back in the day Jake Jacobsen won Vegas with a recurve and a pin site.  Some have an incredible amount of natural ability.Like Dave Cousins. When Frank Pearson set records there were not the caliber of shooters out there that there are now. It is possible to hunt and kill animals with bad form. Chuck adams is not reproducing the same shot in a target situation. He usually makes one shot to kill his animal. Dave cousins is a good example. I have shot with Dave dozens of times. He has over the years changed his form drastically and has anchored on the tip of his nose. He changes bows and form like underware, and Dwight Schuh is a not a vrey good shot. Again he can kill some animals but that is quite different then reproducing target scenerios. He and Larry Jones were at one time producing alot of videos. The shooting in them was also not good for the sport.We have entered contests with both of them and were shocked at how bad their shooting was.
 I have shot on the bales in Vegas, Lousivile Kentucky, Pittsburg, Redding and many more national level events with Reo,Chance,Braden, Levi,Jesse,Dave and many more of the top RECORD SETTIN pro's. Exactly to my point. THEY ALL set world records with the string at the tip of there noses. The other examples you mention are bow hunters. Most, ok shots at best,but certanily not record setting pros who do it for a living. I believe IMO it is possible to acheive the proper form with bows that have a 30-32" ATA and a 30" draw length . I have done it for years and teach it still today. I shoot a Carbon Element at 32"ATA at 30.5" draw length and do not have any problem anchoring across the corner of my mouth and the tip of my nose. I could never have shot 300 60X or 300 30 X rounds back to back with a floating anchor. And I am pretty sure Frank Pearson or Dwight Shuh did not either. It is not an absolute necessity for most bow hunters who do not have the ability to produce that level of shooting but a solid anchor is the one of the major keys to consistancy Coupled with good form. Archery is about consistant shot reproduction. It all depends on your goals. IMO