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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #345 on: April 16, 2014, 01:00:03 PM »
I see more people are investigating Reid and his tie to this, and they did find where the BLM tried to hide some damning facts they had posted on there web site. I guess we will have to wait and see.

As far as the Bundy's having the water, grazing etc. rights, I believe that is also true. I know of other ranchers that have had the same. One thing that is for sure, this was never about an endangered turtle. Just like the wolf introduction was never about endangered wolves, and still isn't.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #346 on: April 16, 2014, 02:24:35 PM »
Bundy Ranch Federal Land Grab Motive Revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEX2eBGipdE

BLM Destroyed Water Tanks, Shot Bulls, Ran Over Tortoise Dens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHdK962bqY

Why are environmental groups, Feds and WDFW buying up so much land in WA?

At the rate wolves expand and decimate game herds what will all of this land be used for?

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #347 on: April 17, 2014, 07:26:27 AM »
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At the rate wolves expand and decimate game herds what will all of this land be used for?

Wildfires - from all the grass and brush that grew up tall because it didn't get eaten down.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #348 on: April 17, 2014, 08:55:22 AM »

Why are environmental groups, Feds and WDFW buying up so much land in WA?


If you're so worried about it work out arrangements with the land owners selling and buy the land yourself. Problem solved.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #349 on: April 17, 2014, 09:08:34 AM »
"Why are environmental groups, Feds and WDFW buying up so much land in WA?"

Because the common man doesn't have millions of $$$$$ for 950 acres :bash: and has more brains(common man) then to turn down 1800+ acres for the SAME AMOUNT!! :dunno:

Been there, done that!!
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #350 on: April 17, 2014, 06:30:25 PM »
The Cliven Bundy Standoff: Wounded Knee Revisited?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/william-norman-grigg/wounded-knee-ii/


We took away their country and their means of support, broke up their mode of living, their habits of life, introduced disease and decay among them, and it was for this and against this they made war. Could anyone expect less? – General Philip Sheridan, who presided over the expropriation of the Plains Indians, in the 1878 Annual Report of the General of the U.S. Army

Following the War Between the States, as the formerly independent South was being re-assimilated into the Soyuz, the US military took up the task of driving the Plains Indians off of land that had been promised to them through solemn treaty obligations – but was now coveted by the corporatist railroad combine.

In 1867, William Sherman wrote a letter to General Grant insisting that “we are not going to let thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress” of the railroad. About a year earlier, Sherman had urged Grant to “act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women, and children.” Dr. Thomas DiLorenzo points out that Sherman set out to make the Sioux “feel the superior power of the Government,” even if “the final solution to the Indian problem” required that they be physically annihilated.

Writing in Smithsonian magazine, historian Gilbert King observes that the post-war US military wasn’t adequate to carry out that ambitious campaign. General Philip Sheridan, who succeeded Sherman as Commander of the Military Division of the Mississippi, complained that he had only 14,000 troops with which to carry out “the reduction of these wild tribes and occupation of their country.”

Note that Sheridan didn’t equivocate in describing his army’s role as the occupier of a “country” that belonged, by right, to other people. He had no moral scruples against being an occupier; his objections were limited to practical concerns.

The Plains Indians were canny, elusive, and motivated. However, their dependence on the buffalo provided the aggressors with an exploitable vulnerability. Hunting the Indians was difficult and risky; slaughtering buffalo was neither.

The railroads, acting as a military force multiplier, began ferrying tourists to the West for the specific purpose of “sport-hunting” buffalo.

Unlike the Indians, who never threatened to hunt the buffalo to extinction, or Bill Cody, who was restrained in his efforts to harvest them to feed construction crews for the Kansas Pacific Railroad, the Eastern tourists had no property interest in the continued existence of the species, and didn’t have to pay any price for the profligate destruction they wrought.

“Massive hunting parties began to arrive in the West by train, with thousands of men packing .50 caliber rifles, and leaving a trail of buffalo carnage in their wake,” recalls King. “Hunters began killing buffalo by the hundreds of thousands,” leaving their ravaged bodies to bloat and fester.

When legislatures in some states attempted to enact measures to conserve the buffalo, their objections were overruled by the Feds. The higher “national purpose” required a “total war” strategy that included the destruction of the buffalo in order to break the resistance of the Plains Indians.

“These men have done more in the last two years, and will do more in the next year, to settle the vexed Indian question, than the entire regular army has done in the last forty years,” wrote General Sheridan with satisfaction. “They are destroying the Indians’ commissary. And it is a well-known fact that an army losing its base of supplies is placed at a great disadvantage. Send them [the private buffalo hunters] powder and lead, if you will; but for a lasting peace, let them kill, skin and sell until the buffaloes are exterminated. Then your prairies can be covered with speckled cattle.”

Cattle became the successor to buffalo in the late 1860s and early 1870s. That was the era when the ancestors of Cliven Bundy settled in what was to become the State of Nevada, and began to graze cattle in what would later be called the Bunkerville Grazing Allotment. The Bundy family made peaceful and productive use of that allotment for more than 120 years, mixing their labor with the land to create original wealth.

Unfortunately, the Bundy family — like the American Indians – had been living on a reservation: They were never allowed to exercise ownership of their grazing “allotment,” in much the same way that Indians were not permitted to have clear title to their lands. The land on which the Bundy family raised cattle was “owned” by the government, and the Bundys were required to pay rent – in the form of grazing fees – for the “privilege” of making productive use of it. The public-land grazing system has been described as “the nation’s most conspicuous and extensive flirtation with socialism” – except, perhaps, for the Indian Reservation System.

Indians whose lands were supposedly protected through treaties invariably discovered that the phrase “in perpetuity” means “pending the discovery of something valuable on the land that is desired by a politically favored constituency.” The desired commodity could be gold – as the Nez Perce learned after their homeland in the luxuriant Wallowa Valley, having been reduced to a tiny, barren tract, was seized from them by General O.O. Howard.  It could be fertile farm lands on the banks of the Niobrara River, as the Poncas discovered when they were forcibly relocated to Oklahoma.

Similar “adjustments” were made to practically every Indian band or tribe that signed a treaty in good faith with Washington – only to find themselves reduced to destitution when Washington withheld promised annuities and rations, and then evicted from their lands when it suited Leviathan’s interests. The high and holy purpose of Manifest Destiny nullified the property rights of Indians and any treaty obligations that would inhibit Washington’s drive for continental expansion.

In 1993, the same federal Leviathan State that unilaterally “modified” binding treaty agreements with Indian tribes and bands decided to “modify” the terms of the Bundy family’s grazing permit. This was done in the service of a doctrine even more insidious than Manifest Destiny: A new religion in which all human property rights – including, some adherents insist, the right to live itself – are to be sacrificed on the altar of “biocentrism.” The central tenet of that religion is that “Human beings are not inherently superior to other living things.”

However, there are certain superior specimens within the ranks of humanity who possess a gift of seership that permits them to discern the true needs of nature. On occasion, these infinitely wise and limitlessly benevolent beings – most of whom have found a niche in some foundation-funded eco-radical lobby – will identify “endangered” or “threatened” species whose supposed claim to a “habitat” outweighs property rights and all human needs.

Since none of those non-human creatures can speak on their own behalf, we should consider ourselves extravagantly blessed by the presence of eco-seers capable of discerning their needs, bureaucrats willing to harken to their inspired counsel, and judges who dutifully ratify bureaucratic decisions without being unduly burdened by respect for property rights.

In 1993, acting on an infallible ecocentric pronouncement, the Bureau of Land Management decreed that the land on which Cliven Bundy and his neighbors had long grazed their cattle was actually the “habitat” of the desert tortoise.

Although the BLM – like other agencies involved in administering Washington’s illegal colonial occupation of western lands – has been influenced by biocentrism, it’s not likely that its upper echelons are filled with True Believers in anything other than the Bureaucratic Prime Directive: “Maintain what we have, and expand where we can.”

The BLM’s revisions were imposed during the reign of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt, who in a letter two years earlier (written while he was head of the League of Conservation Voters) declared: “We must identify our enemies and drive them into oblivion.” Babbitt and his comrades have acted with what Sherman described as “vindictive earnestness” in pursuing that objective: In the past twenty years they have all but eradicated cattle ranching in the southwestern United States.

In his book War on the West, William Pendley of the Mountain States Legal Foundation observes that “the enormous might of the federal government has always meant that the life of the West was in the hands of strangers living thousands of miles away. Like the weather that can sweep down upon Westerners and change their lives in an instant, the federal government has always loomed as a distant threat.” During Babbitt’s tenure at the Department of the Interior, the federal eco-jihad specifically targeted “the most enduring symbol of the American West – the cowboy – seeking to price and regulate the rancher off federal grazing lands and out of business, destroying the economy of rural areas.” One of the first initiatives undertaken by Secretary Babbitt in pursuit of his vision of a “New West” was to seek a 230 percent increase in grazing fees charged to ranchers on federally administered lands. Although the proposed fee increase was thwarted by a Senate filibuster, the effort to destroy the ranching industry continued. After the fee increase was proposed, an Interior Department memo surfaced which revealed that Babbitt wanted “to use price increases as a straw man to draw attention from management issues.” While ranchers fought the grazing fee increase, Babbitt and company created “Range Reform ’94,” a cluster of proposed federal land use and environmental regulations which Pendley describes as “A Thousand and One Ways to Get Ranchers off Federal Land.”During the late 1990s – a period in which Babbitt, appropriately, was mired in a scandal involving decades of federal fraud, embezzlement, and graft in the Indian Trust Fund System – ranchers rallied to hold off the federal assault. But like the Plains Indians, the ranchers were facing an implacable enemy unburdened with respect for the law and blessed with access to limitless resources. Of the 52 ranchers in his section of Nevada, Cliven Bundy is the only one who has refused to go back to the reservation. So the heirs to Sherman and Sheridan have mobilized an army to protect hired thieves who have come to steal the Bundy family’s cattle with the ultimate purpose of driving him from the land.

Their objective is not to protect the desert tortoise, but to punish a defiant property owner and entrepreneur. This potentially murderous aggression is being celebrated by Progressives as a worthy effort to make dangerous radicals “feel the superior power of the Government.”

For more than two decades, Bundy has defied the federal land management bureaucracy, and his continued resistance could catalyze a general revolt against their designs for the western United States.

Their intent, as described by Pendley, is to transform the West into “a land nearly devoid of people and economic activity, a land devoted almost entirely to the preservation of scenery and wildlife habitat. In their vision, everything from the 100th meridian to the Cascade Range becomes a vast park through which they might drive, drinking their Perrier and munching their organic chips, staying occasionally in the bed-and-breakfast operations into which the homes of Westerners have been turned, with those Westerners who remain fluffing duvets and pouring cappuccino.”

The high priests of biocentrism and their bureaucratic allies aren’t going to let a handful of ragged but resolute ranchers “check and stop the progress” of Manifest Destiny.

In 1875, amid an entirely contrived Indian Scare in Corrine, Utah, Indian Agent William H. Danilson sent a telegram to Washington complaining about the dangerous “extremism” that had seized the restive Shoshones. “They are taught to hate the government, and look with distrust upon their Agents,” complained the bureaucrat. The Indians impudently maintained that “Bear River Valley belonged to them” and were preparing to resist efforts to evict them from their property.

“Their whole teachings [are] fraught with evil,” concluded Danilson, scandalized that Indians would believe in the sanctity of property, and thus expected the federal government to keep its promises.

Historian Brigham D. Madsen records that an Army investigation of that 1875 Indian Scare found that the Shoshones – who were, as usual, starving because of the government’s failure to deliver promised rations – posed no threat. Nonetheless, the military “issued an ultimatum that all reservation Indians were to return to their reservations at once or [the local commander] would use military force to compel them to do so.”

It didn’t matter that the Indians had done nothing wrong, and that the government had acted illegally: The cause of “law and order” meant that the government simply had to prevail. That was the central theme in Washington’s dealings with the Indians – and in its conduct toward western landowners as well.

Fifteen years after the Corinne Indian Scare, the final flickers of Indian resistance were extinguished by Leviathan in the bloody snows of Wounded Knee. Our rulers clearly intend to use the standoff in Clark County to suffocate remaining resistance to the western states land grab. The only matter left unresolved is the question of how much violence they are willing to employ to accomplish that end.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #351 on: April 17, 2014, 06:43:29 PM »
The Cliven Bundy Standoff: Wounded Knee Revisited?

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #352 on: April 18, 2014, 11:14:15 AM »
Bundy Ranch Federal Land Grab Motive Revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEX2eBGipdE

BLM Destroyed Water Tanks, Shot Bulls, Ran Over Tortoise Dens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHdK962bqY

Why are environmental groups, Feds and WDFW buying up so much land in WA?

At the rate wolves expand and decimate game herds what will all of this land be used for?

The all too frequent demise of private land hunting...

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=150778.0

Side note, people have wondered what they will do to control ungulate numbers on the tree farms as this will likely mean fewer people will hunt their land. Remember what I said about wolves and timber companies...

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #353 on: April 18, 2014, 09:11:27 PM »
Bundy Ranch Federal Land Grab Motive Revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEX2eBGipdE

BLM Destroyed Water Tanks, Shot Bulls, Ran Over Tortoise Dens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHdK962bqY

Why are environmental groups, Feds and WDFW buying up so much land in WA?

At the rate wolves expand and decimate game herds what will all of this land be used for?

The all too frequent demise of private land hunting...

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=150778.0

Side note, people have wondered what they will do to control ungulate numbers on the tree farms as this will likely mean fewer people will hunt their land. Remember what I said about wolves and timber companies...

It really doesn't matter when it comes to wolves, especially when they are not controlled, the end results are exactly what Reid and crew are doing to the Bundy ranch. WDFW are doing the same thing to WA one piece at a time. How much $$$ do the environmentalists get from the feds for being the "middle man" buying land, easements etc..???

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #354 on: April 19, 2014, 07:31:13 AM »
There is a BOAT load of $ being made from conservation groups acquiring land then selling to the US gov.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #355 on: April 19, 2014, 07:41:00 AM »
Do you have any evidence that they sell at a profit?

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #356 on: April 19, 2014, 01:27:30 PM »
Wayne Hage's War
How the Monitor Valley
Adjudication Came to Be

by Diane Alden

The problem and the scary thing is the lack of understanding of the American people as a whole, notes rancher Wayne Hage: " I look at my country today and say if they just understood it...our grandparents understood ... that if the government takes, they have to pay."

Hage’s heartfelt belief is that if the American people understood what has happened to him over the last 20 years at the hands of the federal government they would be outraged.

His experiences with federal agencies, their bureaucrats and allies is not unique in American history. Hage’s War has consisted of a long, disheartening struggle with the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management and powerful and politically influential environmental groups including the Sierra Club, the National Wildlife Federation and the Natural Resource Defense Council.

Up until the late 1970’s life on Hage’s Pine Creek Ranch had been uneventful except for the usual problems associated with ranching. Hage’s property adjoins the federally administered Toiyabe and Humbolt National forests and Monitor Valley. The care of the land had always been a cherished responsibility to the Hage family. Along with ownership of the ranch came vested water and grazing rights passed down to him in a line of succession since the mid-1800s. These vested rights were on federal lands and—in common law and according to various acts of Congress—were considered a private property right subject to taxation by the IRS. Traditionally, the law and the government of the United States had accepted this situation until certain agencies of the government and its allies in the environmental movement decided to reinterpret federal land management— as well as property law and water rights and their adjudication. Decisions made in distant Washington, D.C. were about to drastically impact the Hage family and change their lives forever.

DECLARATION OF WAR

On a beautiful Nevada day in 1979 the battle lines for Hage’s war were drawn. His first inkling that another "range war" was imminent came when he and his crew were riding in the mountains, rounding up cattle on his government allotment. Coming down the trail towards them were several men from the Forest Service. Hage did not recognize the usual familiar faces he knew from the Tonopah office. These men were strangers and said they were from the Austin office. When Hage questioned them about what they were doing, the agents explained they were making a survey for water and that the Forest Service was filing a claim on all the water in the Monitor Valley. Hage was astounded because he had operated for years with the understanding that his water rights were vested and part of the ownership of his ranch. Why would the Forest Service be filing on his water rights, he asked. "Because," the agent responded, "that is what we were ordered to do."

Trying to stay within the law, Hage contacted Nevada’s State Engineer who confirmed that the Forest Service and BLM had filed a claim—including claims on about 160 vested water rights of Hage and Pine Creek Ranch. Hage’s only recourse was to petition the State Engineer requesting a determination of who had what rights in the Monitor Valley. This petition was filed on October 15, 1981. Adjudication which should have taken months stretched out to 10 years because the Forest Service used one delaying tactic after another. In this way, it gained time to solidify its power over federal lands and condition people to accepting the new order and the reinterpretation of law in its favor. After years of waiting, Hage found himself on the brink of financial collapse and his operation of the ranch was becoming untenable.

By filing a "takings claim" in the Federal Court of Claims in 1991 Hage sought justice and compensation under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Under this Amendment, the government may not take property without compensation and Hage and others had always believed that their grazing permits and water rights were private property rights. In the suit against the government Hage proposed that there had been a taking of private land, water rights, an irrigation ditch right of way, forage rights, rangeland improvements and cattle by the federal government. Much had happened to Wayne Hage and his family before filing the "takings claim" that changed their lives forever.

CONCERTED ATTACK

The first shots fired in the new range war were pictures taken by the Forest Service which it claimed showed over-grazing on Hage’s allotment. Pictures taken in November at the end of the growing season at a high altitude showed very little grass and plenty of bare ground. Using the pictures as ammunition, the Forest Service canceled Hage’s grazing and water permits for five years, effectively shutting him down. Range regulations say that permits are transferred to the next claimant if they are not used for five years.

The next claimant, of course, was the federal government, specifically the Forest Service. When Forest Service permits are canceled, BLM permits are also terminated. Between a rock and the federal government Hage decided to fight back and filed his complaint.

After Hage’s permits were canceled government documents show that District Forest Ranger David Grider sent a copy of the cancellation notice to the attorney for the National Federation of Wildlife, Roy Elcker, and thanked him for NFW’s lobbying efforts in Congress on behalf of an increased Forest Service budget. NFW’s policy has always been aimed at ending all grazing and agricultural water use on "public land." During a lecture before other environmentalists Elcker declared, "How you win is one at a time, he (the rancher) goes out of business, he dies, you wait him out—but you win." The Forest Service and the environmentalists were past masters in the art of "making it so expensive to operate and make so many changes for him...to run his cattle on public lands...he goes broke....". That is exactly what happened to Wayne Hage.

The spring of 1991, Hage went out to the area which the Forest Service said had been overgrazed. Something wonderful had happened as it does every spring in the Monitor Valley: the grass came back. Hage called the District Ranger to come see the area and took a picture of him standing in knee high lush grass. The Ranger responded, "But it’s the wrong kind of grass." The "wrong kind" of grass had been coming up there for decades.

Subsequently the Forest Service began a propaganda barrage and mail-in campaign targeting sympathetic members of Congress like Bruce Vento and Mike Synar. Assisted by environmental groups, they painted Hage as a violent extremist who should be dealt with in an extreme manner. The stage was being set for confrontation.

CONFRONTATION

That same summer of 1991, not long before the Senate vote on the question of raising grazing fees, Hage received a call from an official of the nearby Toiyabe National Forest telling him some of his cattle were trespassing on government land. In the process of moving 2,000 head of cattle from winter to summer pasture through an area of unfenced boundaries, it is not unusual for cattle to stray.

Hage drove to the site to survey what needed to be done and found himself surrounded by 20 to 30 federal agents armed with semi-automatic weapons and garbed in flak jackets. Some of them were stationed on high points expecting a confrontation. Hage got out of his vehicle, reached under his jacket and pulled out a 35 mm camera, pointed it at some of the Forest Service swat team and told them, "Smile pretty, boys." To the chagrin of the agents, there was no violent confrontation. The only "violence" was in the heart and mind of Hage who wondered at the lengths his government would go to get what it wanted—namely property rights which belonged to him.

On two later occasions heavily armed agents came out to his former allotment and prevented Hage’s employees from moving cattle off the closed allotment. During these intrusions by federal agents 104 cattle were confiscated and subsequently sold at auction with the profits remaining with the Forest Service. Twisting the knife in Hage a little deeper, agents sent him a bill for the costs of confiscating the cattle. The cattle didn’t recognize they had over-stepped their boundaries—and apparently the federal government didn’t recognize that Uncle Sam had overstepped some boundaries as well.

THE BEST DEFENSE IS A COUNTER- OFFENSE

On September 26, 1991 Hage filed his "takings claim" against the Forest Service in the U.S. Court of Claims. The suit alleged that the United States had taken Hage’s livestock, grazing rights and stock water rights on range lands. The government countered by charging Hage and wood cutter Lloyd Seamans with a felony for taking government property by cutting and removing brush from an irrigation ditch. In the government suit against Hage all felony charges were thrown out of court and the U.S. Attorney who brought the charges was nearly sanctioned for filing the charge at all.

Immediately after Hage filed his suit with the claims court, the Sierra Club, the National Wildlife Federation and the Natural Resources Defense Council filed for status as "intervenors," saying that ranchers should receive no compensation for losing their water and grazing permits on federal land. Jumping on the litigation bandwagon was one of the strangest participants of all—Nevada Attorney General Frankie Sue Del Papa. According to Nevada law and an 1866 Act of Congress, Nevada owned all the water and delegated its use to individuals. Curiously, Del Papa hired a staff lawyer from the National Wildlife Federation to argue in favor of the legitimacy of federal authority over Nevada’s water and against Hage’s "takings claim." The U.S. Claims Court denied both the environmental groups’ and Del Papa’s motions to intervene.

Active in environmental circles for years, Del Papa was, at the time, an advisory board member of the Trust for Public Lands which is associated with the Sierra Club. The tangled web of government connections with the powerful environmental movement becomes frighteningly clear. Litigation over rights previously decided by common sense and a century-old covenant established between the government and ranchers and farmers, is part of the campaign to change the law by using regulations and political allies to make land "cow free" as soon as possible.

WHAT COMES NEXT

It ain’t over till the last bureaucrat sings—and the concert begins soon. In a landmark decision on March 8, 1996, Judge Loren Smith of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims handed down a key ruling against the U.S. government which allowed Hage’s "takings claim" to proceed to trial.

The trial is set for September 28 and will decide if there was a property right involved in Hage’s case, whether or not property was taken by government regulations, and finally how much that property is worth. Regardless of the outcome, both sides expect the decision to be appealed and eventually make its way to the Supreme Court.

Acclaimed legal scholar Phillip Howard observed in his book, The Death of Common Sense, "Coercion by government, the main fear of our founding fathers, is now a common attribute. But it was not imposed to advance some group’s selfish purpose...the idea of a rule detailing everything has had the effect of reversing the rule of law. We now have a government of laws against men."

The actions of the federal government through the U.S. Forest Service and allies in the environmental movement prove the validity of Howard’s observation. Soon the Monitor Valley will come alive with a thousand shades of color and the warm winds of spring will renew the spirit. Wayne Hage will enjoy the beauty of the land but he will miss the sight of his cattle grazing peacefully on the hillsides and the feeling of security he once enjoyed.

He appreciates the help of many friends, family, groups and others who have supported him through his ordeal, and he is hopeful that Cigna, his mortgage holder, will not foreclose on Pine Creek Ranch until he has his next day in court. Wayne Hage’s War cost him nearly everything important to him, both personally and financially. His war rages on in the name of principles he believes in.
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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2014, 05:04:59 PM »

An American Original: Wayne Hage

Throughout American history, men of great character have risen to the cause
of liberty, sacrificing their personal safety to ensure liberty for
generations to come. After fighting a twelve year battle for his land with
the federal land management agencies and national environmental
organizations, Wayne Hage filed one of the most important cases of our time.
Few have had the courage of their convictions to place everything on the
line for our precious constitutional principles. Wayne Hage is such a man.
Liberty Matters recently met with Wayne for this personal interview.

LM: You have a long history fighting for property rights, what were some of
the first issues you worked on?

WH: When I was ranching in the state of California in the 60’s and 70’s, I
was quite heavily involved in the California State Chamber of Commerce. I
chaired a committee in the state chamber dealing with land use and taxation.
At that time we were just starting to see the environmental movement rise to
the forefront. I had the opportunity of sitting across the table with people
who later became active in the environmental movement.

One of the things that probably drove home where the environmental movement
was coming from, was Assembly Bill 10. AB 10 attempted to socialize all of
California agriculture. It was an effort to take away all private property
rights, put everything under the control of bureaucracy, and do away with
any type of mechanized agriculture putting people back to using horse and ox
power. We realized that behind this legislation was a very serious movement
that had international backing. Our own people in the California Chamber and
some of the conservative groups in California said that there was no way we
could stop this bill. We did defeat that bill, and the way we beat it was to
run another bill through the Senate which accomplished everything that the
assembly bill purported to accomplish, but we did it from a private property
perspective.

Dealing with that group in California more than 20 years ago gave me a taste
of what the nation was in for. The environmental movement has nothing to do
with the so-called protection of the environment, that was the window
dressing, that was the issue used to take private property without
compensation.

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Re: The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”
« Reply #358 on: April 19, 2014, 07:18:23 PM »
Even though the Hages have nothing to do with ESA, here is a good read on the lawsuit with a link to the actual court ruling document.

http://nevadajournal.com/2013/06/13/feds-war-western-ranchers-water-rights-takes-body-blow/
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