Colockum Cows

[jstone]

Over 1000 permits for antlerless? Wow that's a lot. I havent hunted up the sense the true spike think, is the herd that good? Or trying to make the bull to cow ratio look better than it is?

[Rainier10]

I don't understand why they didn't switch it back to cows also during the early general archery hunt.  They gave out a ton of permits for that early hunt last year and I can't imagine that just going to a general hunt would have that big of an impact.  My guess is that when they went to spikes only in the early season it reduced pressure in the area by having some hunters change GMU's and hunt areas open for both.

[vandeman17]

I don't understand why they didn't switch it back to cows also during the early general archery hunt.  They gave out a ton of permits for that early hunt last year and I can't imagine that just going to a general hunt would have that big of an impact.  My guess is that when they went to spikes only in the early season it reduced pressure in the area by having some hunters change GMU's and hunt areas open for both.

If they did that then they couldn't get the increased revenue from the applications for the tags. 

[Rainier10]

I don't understand why they didn't switch it back to cows also during the early general archery hunt.  They gave out a ton of permits for that early hunt last year and I can't imagine that just going to a general hunt would have that big of an impact.  My guess is that when they went to spikes only in the early season it reduced pressure in the area by having some hunters change GMU's and hunt areas open for both.

If they did that then they couldn't get the increased revenue from the applications for the tags. 

One of these days I will remember to put on my revenue generating thinking cap instead of my common sense cap when discussing WDFW policy.

[180-GRAIN]

I don't understand why they didn't switch it back to cows also during the early general archery hunt.  They gave out a ton of permits for that early hunt last year and I can't imagine that just going to a general hunt would have that big of an impact.  My guess is that when they went to spikes only in the early season it reduced pressure in the area by having some hunters change GMU's and hunt areas open for both.

If they did that then they couldn't get the increased revenue from the applications for the tags. 

Yep making up for the price drop on the multi deer and second deer tags 

[C-Money]

1000 cow tags? Do you have a link to the 2014 regs?

[jstone]

I get emails on updates from the F&G it said they want to change the cow tags from 370 to 1016. Also more Yakima herd tags.

[TriggerMike]

1000 cow tags? Do you have a link to the 2014 regs?

This link isn't to the regs but it is to the news release from today. Explains what they decided on at the meeting last Friday and Saturday.

http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/news/apr1414a/

[Dan-o]

wow....   That's a batch of cow tags.

[jason stevens]

Gonna be a bigger pumkin patch this year.

[bobcat]

Here's a link to the proposed regulations, which is what was approved last week:


http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2014/wsr_14-03-135.pdf

[C-Money]

Wow...I gotta look and see if they are still opening cows on Wednesday. Gonna be quite a few modern cow tags to fill in 5 days...its gonna be a slaughter.

[C-Money]

Looks like cow season starts on Wed, hope I draw one!!

[D-Rock425]

I wonder what the breakdown of tags will be for each user group.

[dreamingbig]

It was already in the proposal.  I don't have it handy but heavily weighted to MF.  One number I know off hand is that little naches cow permits for MF were proposed to double to 500 from 250.  Zero for archery.  Don't give me that late season malarkey either.


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[Rainier10]

Here is what I found for the three user groups for Colockum 328,329

Modern was 190, now 325, increase of 135 permits.
Archery was 140, now 365, increase of 225 permits.
Muzzy   was 40, now 85, increase of 45 permits.

That only comes up to 775 permits so there must be another GMU that they are including in the Colockum herd that got some permits also.

I am thinking they dang near made the archery open to anyone who applies and they still get the application fee. I will have to wait and see the report on how many applied for that tag last year to confirm that.

[bobcat]

The other permits might be in 330, 335, and Elk Area 2032 (Malaga).


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[D-Rock425]

 

[Rainier10]

The other permits might be in 330, 335, and Elk Area 2032 (Malaga).


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That got me another 100 permits using those three areas.  They didn't increase the permits in those areas but adding them in would get you closer to the 1000 number they stated, 875 is what I am coming up with now.

If you add in the 40 master hunter in Fairview and the 25 for all of region three damage hunts where they call you when they have a problem that gets you a little closer to the 1000 mark.

Anyways it is a definite increase in permits.  I filled my Colockum cow tag last year and hope to get drawn again this year.

[Rainier10]

None of it really is jiving.  They have more than 374 permits now and the letter says they are increasing from 374 to 1016.  It also says that the increase is mainly in antlerless tags.  So I guess I need to add into my number the extra bull tags.  I think they increased those by.....two in the Teanaway unit.

[time2hunt]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

[D-Rock425]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

not a bad idea.

[nw_bowhunter]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

not a bad idea.

Excellent idea

[nw_bowhunter]

Increasing the permits is not necessary the best for the elk heards and the areas will be even more competitive. I want to be to hunt anterless but this worries me with all the extra pressure that will be applied to the elk herds.

[Karl Blanchard]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

Stop with your logical, common sense thinking, and generosity man!  We are talking WDFW here! Seriously though, that is an amazing idea!  I'm sure you know how tough it is for a youth to kill an elk in this state.  This idea would give them a solid chance at a really quality experience, not the pumpkin patch chaos of general season.

[time2hunt]

Ya it just amazes me that they alway seem to for get are younger generation:( I heard that the winter herd count had app 2200 cows above there desired level

[luv2hunt]

Ok so the new reg's are on line now... Just to clarify, there are 425 modern tags, 475 archery tags, and only 90 muzzy tags. Wtf is the deal with the muzzy tags? WDFW never ceases to amaze me in the way they do things, it doesn't  make sense the way they broke the permits down, maybe i'm missing something  ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf

[Rainier10]

Ok so the new reg's are on line now... Just to clarify, there are 425 modern tags, 475 archery tags, and only 90 muzzy tags. Wtf is the deal with the muzzy tags? WDFW never ceases to amaze me in the way they do things, it doesn't  make sense the way they broke the permits down, maybe i'm missing something  ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf

Wow that is an increase over the proposed increase that they sent out previously.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

That's a real good idea! Give all the tags to the youth and let the season run September through December to allow ample time to hunt along with there other curricular activities.

[Rainier10]

Ok so the new reg's are on line now... Just to clarify, there are 425 modern tags, 475 archery tags, and only 90 muzzy tags. Wtf is the deal with the muzzy tags? WDFW never ceases to amaze me in the way they do things, it doesn't  make sense the way they broke the permits down, maybe i'm missing something  ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf

Looks to me like there isn't really a general muzzy season in 328 or 329, just in 335.  My guess is they have more rifle and archery guys hunting general seasons in those three gmus and that is why they get the majority of the permits, but who knows why they do what they do.  They did over double the old number of permits for each user group.

[luv2hunt]

Ok so the new reg's are on line now... Just to clarify, there are 425 modern tags, 475 archery tags, and only 90 muzzy tags. Wtf is the deal with the muzzy tags? WDFW never ceases to amaze me in the way they do things, it doesn't  make sense the way they broke the permits down, maybe i'm missing something  ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf

Looks to me like there isn't really a general muzzy season in 328 or 329, just in 335.  My guess is they have more rifle and archery guys hunting general seasons in those three gmus and that is why they get the majority of the permits, but who knows why they do what they do.  They did over double the old number of permits for each user group.

I knew I was missing something and that makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation.

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Ok so the new reg's are on line now... Just to clarify, there are 425 modern tags, 475 archery tags, and only 90 muzzy tags. Wtf is the deal with the muzzy tags? WDFW never ceases to amaze me in the way they do things, it doesn't  make sense the way they broke the permits down, maybe i'm missing something  ?

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01589/wdfw01589.pdf

It is a mathematical equation to do this, it is double and triple checked by members of the resource allocation committee.  It is all based on numbers of hunters and success rate. 

[goosehunter12]

Why not give the youth 50 tags and a week to themselves to hunt cow and have a opportunity to harvest there first big game animal ?

That's the best idea in the World!!!!!!  They should also make the Youth Deer tags a week to themselves too!!!!

[jason stevens]

More  youth oppurtunity to build future hunters and for the state more money great idea too bad they don't do it.

[300UltraLongRanger]

You know what pisses me off about all those permits in my back yard? It's not how many are available.  It's the fact that no permits were allocated for youth , disabled, or seniors.  WHY?   

[C-Money]

Point is, there are I believe 2 choices in E WA for youth elk permits. Give the Eastern kids some choices.

[Rooster1981]

Point is, there are I believe 2 choices in E WA for youth elk permits. Give the Eastern kids some choices.

    

[jason stevens]

Agreed there should be more youth elk oppurtunities

[kevinlisa06]

Personally I don't think that The state of Wa really cares about the kids hunting since they don't care for hunting but that's just my opinion. Isn't there away to get hunters on the game commission and get rid of the idiots that are ruining this state for sportsman.


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[D-Rock425]

Game department would loose a lot of money if theyade them all youth tags.  Youth apps are half the price as adult apps

[Rainier10]

Game department would loose a lot of money if theyade them all youth tags.  Youth apps are half the price as adult apps

now your talking some WDFW sense.