new bow problems

[beastmodebowhunter]

ok guys ive been bow hunting for about 10 years and last year i bought a hoyt charger. seemed like a decent bow but i could never really get as accurate as bows in the past. its paper tuned shooting perfect bullet holes and i still do not get as tight as groups as i would like or as i have in the past. tried lots of practice and different grips thinking maybe it was different in my hand than bows in the last and have not seen any difference. do you think possibly the bow maybe just not is for me? maybe i should collect my losses and buy a new bow. i have literally shot this bow atleast 4 days a week since i have owned it. try to get out everyday and shoot but sometimes i cant do that. whats your guys opinion? am i losing it? haha

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Could be your arrows.    what draw length?  What poundage?  What's the brace height?  How many fletch?  What weight broad head?  What spine shaft?  This info may help others determine a cause.

[scottcrb]

i have the same bow and shoot it as much as you do , i agree it could be the arrows, have you also tried a walk back test ? are your groups off at all ranges? also i found that i needed a longer stabilizer. went from 6" out to almost 12" and it helped.

[beastmodebowhunter]

Could be your arrows.    what draw length?  What poundage?  What's the brace height?  How many fletch?  What weight broad head?  What spine shaft?  This info may help others determine a cause.

i had that all checked out by a couple of buddies that are extreme bow nuts. they said everything looks good.. i shoot 26" draw (little T-rex arms) 64.5 lbs, 3 fletch, carbon express maximas 450 with 125 grain tip.. have to shoot heavy to make legal weight with such a short draw. i have no problems in the past with other bows usually robinhooding no idea why i decided to sell those bows and get a new one haha. im not sure off hand what the brace is on the bow. i know its a little bow and i usually like the long axle to axle. let me know your opinion still. my experience with working on my bow goes as far as fletching my own arrows haha

[beastmodebowhunter]

i have the same bow and shoot it as much as you do , i agree it could be the arrows, have you also tried a walk back test ? are your groups off at all ranges? also i found that i needed a longer stabilizer. went from 6" out to almost 12" and it helped.

yea even at 20 i have like a 4" group im used to arrows stacking and robinhooding. i do have a 6-8" stabilizer though this could be a quick fix maybe i will see if a friend has one i can try out.

[scottcrb]

it is a short ATA bow and doesn't  have a big brace height either . mine has been pretty good but im a new archer, just started last july. maybe it has something to do with your sight ,peep or fall away.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

My bow was the same poundage before I got a new string.  I don't know how many grains per inch the 450s are but I shot 350 Ics hunters an still do with my 60# they are 9.3 grains per inch.  I also shoot four vein.  With my four blade brodheads it stabilizes the arrow quick.  Radsav could probably help more.  But it sounds like a change of some sort is in order.  20 yards they should stack.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

When checking for drop away contact you can spray the back of your arrow with foot powder and check for any rubs on your drop away.

[scottcrb]

yeah something has got to be off if your not getting groups at 20 yards.

[Buckmark]

Can any of your bow nut buddies shoot it to see how it shoots for them? If they shoot it well then you know its not the bow...
Just an idea.

[Jellymon]

Bullet holes in paper don't mean much, that's just a starting point so you can begin tuning. Start broadhead tuning and bare shaft tuning (no vanes). Those will tell you right away if something is wrong and give clues as to what it is. Just never fire a broadhead without vanes! That .300 spine arrow is also a little stiff for your setup.

This guide explains the tuning methods pretty well.

http://archeryhistory.com/archerytalk/The_Nuts&Bolts_of_Archery.pdf

[Old Dog]

At 26", even with a 125 grain head, I think you are probably over spine with a Maxima 450.  I would suggest leaving your arrows a little longer to soften that spine just a little, and it won't hurt to have an extra couple of inches of arrow out front.  You may even be able to drop to a 350 at 28", and still make legal weight.

[Mudman]

I agree, change arrows.  400?  Old dogs right I think.

[JLS]

Are we talking accuracy with broadheads, or field points? 

You are overspined.  However, I don't see how shooting a fall away rest/release that you will experience poor accuracy as a result.

I agree with Jellymon on checking tuning. 

I doubt the stabilizer is making a single bit of difference at 20 yards.

I am guessing it's either 1) contact or 2) a form issue from going to a short ATA bow or 3) your grip, or any combination of the above.

That said, I am certainly no expert.

[D-Rock425]

Have you checked your timing?