Your input please

[deltaops]

Just by reading the info below what is your opinion of this AR?

Would you buy it for around 1200? If yes, why? if no, why not?

I will be buying an AR soon and I am very interested in this one. So with out given the manufacture at this time, your input would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.



Weight: 7.025 Lbs. (without magazine)

Length Overall: 36.125” (32.375” with Telestock collapsed)

Caliber: .223 Rem. / 5.56mm NATO

Type: Rifle

Action: Semi-Automatic, Gas Impingement System

Capacity: 30 + 1- Ships with one 30 Round Magazine ( accepts all std. sizes)

Safety: Manual Lever with Indicator Markings on Both Sides of Receiver

Receiver: M4A4 Type Flat Top Upper Receiver

Receiver Material: Forged 7075 T6 Aircraft Aluminum with Aluminum Trigger Guard

Receiver Finish: Hardcoat Black Anodize Finish

Bolt Material: Carpenter 158 Steel

Barrel: 16” M4 Profile, Chrome Lined with Vortex Flash Suppressor

Barrel Material: 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium 11595E Steel w. M4 Feed Ramps

Rifling: 1 Turn in 9” - Right Hand Twist

Stock: Magpul MOE 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock

Forend / Pistol Grip: Diamondhead Free-float Forend w. Magpul AFG Angled Grip /
Magpul MOE Black Pistolgrip w. Storage Compartment

Rear Sight: Diamondhead Dual Aperture Flip-up Sight

Front Sight: Diamondhead Front Flip-up Sight

Packaging: Hard Plastic Gun Case with Black Web Sling & Operators Manual

lifetime warranty on the rifle covering defects in material and workmanship. What sets this warranty apart is the fact that it is transferable to a subsequent owner of the firearm.

The results for ten 3-shot groups were as follows:

Manufacturer              Cartridge           Wt        Bullet               Min   Max        Average
 
Barnes                        VOR-TX            55        TSX-FB               1.1   2.4         1.9
Black Hills                   Remanufactured    55        Soft Point       0.5   1.2          0.9
Cor-Bon                   Urban Response    55          JHP               0.6   1.5          1.0   
Federal                      Fusion                    62         Fusion       1.5   1.7          1.6
Hornady                      Match                    75          BTHP               1.1   1.7          1.3
Hornady                   Varmint Express    55          V-Max        0.9   1.6          1.3
Winchester             Target                    55           FMJ                1.3   2.3          1.9
Wolf                       Polyformance (steel)    55           FMJ               2.4   3.3           3.0

[Jburke]

Without knowing the manufacturer I couldn't say one way or the other.  Hard for me to justify spending 1200, when I can find them for a lot less $$.  All depends on specifics and how much you are willing to pay.   

[Maligator]

I wonder why you left out the manufacturer?  The bolt is 158 carpenter steel which is the standard but is it HP/MPI? Some may argue the HP is not as necessary because it possibly shortens the life of the bolt and if I were going with a reputable manufacturer I might overlook that although most reputable manufacturers have HP/MPI bolts.

Not a huge fan of the 1/9 myself but if your going to feed it primarily lighter projectiles i.e. 40gr to 62gr you should be fine. I know each weapon has its own range of ammo it "likes" due to barrel harmonics. The groups listed below are acceptable: I am guessing they were 100 yard groups? I prefer to use  5 to 10 shot groups for a more accurate representation of grouping ability but that's just me.

You also didn't mention if it was a carbine, mid - length or rifle length gas system and what buffer it was using. I know it says " type: rifle" but I took that to mean type of firearm and not gas system.

I would also want to know what will the primary function of the weapon be? Plinker, SHTF/HD, hunting?

For the majority of users in the general population the rifle appears to be just fine given the information you provided.

[deltaops]

I left the manufacturer out just to see what opinions people had according to the specs not who makes it.

The bolt is not stamped MPI.

The bolt carrier is marked “JC”, manufactured by J.C. Machine of Phoenix, Arizona.  The bolt carrier is a M16 type.

Type is a Carbine

This AR would be an all purpose AR for me, something that I would use in any given situation.



Here is what is bothering me on this AR and am having some second thoughts. Main reason I posted on here to get some opinions. 

1:9 twist is a issue for me.

Being that it is a carbine is another issue.

The only other issue is that it is not stamped MP on the bolt and the Manufacturer that makes it does not have the full specs either.

This AR has mixed reviews but for the most part it has far more good than bad.  I will post the Manufacturer here in a few.

[Fowlweather25]

The part that classifies it as a carbine is the barrel length, which is standard on most factory ARs. 1:9 twist is also fairly standard. You can always swap to a longer barrel with a different twist ratio. For an all purpose AR this would seem to fit the bill.

[hollymaster]

Building one on your own using quality components could cost you less. 

[biggfish]

I would say no, I believe the .223/5.56 round to be sub par for threat suppression and being as you can't hunt big game in this state with it, it would imo fail to meet all around standards. I would be willing to budge more if it were a 6.8 or 7.62/.308 that's just my take. Its a fine caliber for small game and predators reaching out to where a .22 or can't.

[deltaops]

Building one on your own using quality components could cost you less. 

It is still an option for me right now and I may end up going that route.

[deltaops]

I would say no, I believe the .223/5.56 round to be sub par for threat suppression and being as you can't hunt big game in this state with it, it would imo fail to meet all around standards. I would be willing to budge more if it were a 6.8 or 7.62/.308 that's just my take. Its a fine caliber for small game and predators reaching out to where a .22 or can't.

That is my other option as well. I have been looking into some of the AR10's as well. The only thing for me at this time would be the cost per round. 

[deltaops]

Here is the AR15 and the Manufacturer.

[Fowlweather25]

The 6.8 would be a good choice. Or even a 243wssm

[Fowlweather25]

Definitley a nice weapon but for the personal needs that you stated i would look at a build and different caliber.

[Maligator]

I would not make that purchase if it were me. As i stated earlier I'm not a fan of the 1/9 twist. I prefer 1/8 or 1/7 with a mid length gas system.

For $1200 you could get a Colt,  BCM, Daniel Defense, and a few other not so commonly known but exceptional ARs. All the previously mentioned brands closely reflect the TDP in the manufacturing process.

I am not going to discuss other calibers because you stated your interests were in that type weapon system. I will also not argue the merits of a 223 as others may.

 

The part that classifies it as a carbine is the barrel length, which is standard on most factory ARs. 1:9 twist is also fairly standard. You can always swap to a longer barrel with a different twist ratio. For an all purpose AR this would seem to fit the bill.

This is incorrect...what classifies it as a carbine on an AR 15 platform is the length of the gas tube which in different lengths allows for a softer or stiffer felt recoil. Barrel length is irrelevant for this weapon platform when describing a "carbine".

The traditional AR was equipped with a rifle length gas system and a 20 inch barrel, it has progressed to the current M4 configuration with a 14.5 inch barrel and pinned flash hider or comp for civilian usage unless you get the 16 inch barrel thereby allowing for the easier switching of flash hider or comps without the need to file NFA paperwork.

[deltaops]

Thank you everyone for your input.

I have done a lot of research and reviews on different ARs for civilian use and I will continue to do more. In a few months I will make my purchase and go with what I am wanting and what will work for what I am looking for.

I am leaning towards the Colt, I am familiar with them and have been using the Military Issue for years. I have never had any problems with mine and the main issues I have seen from others is failure to maintain them properly.

I have also come across one from Palmetto Arms that is the same price range but comes with a EOtech and another that comes with a Leupold.

[deltaops]

So I have narrowed it down to two.

Colt 6920SOCOM or the Colt 6940

After that my next one will be a build-AR10