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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2014, 11:30:38 AM »
Yeah, that is a very good point, SpecialT.  The state really needs to be working on getting easements in place for access to public lands.
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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2014, 03:56:18 PM »
I know Weyco is the focus on this thread, but lets not forget all the players. Weyco from my experience has always been the friendliest to hunters, Green Diamond being one of the more difficult ones to deal with with access, even before the permit process, I am sure there are tougher, but that's what I have exprienced.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2014, 04:47:54 PM »
I think it is Western Pacific Timber in Klickitat County.........they have a huge amount of land closed to access in the East Klickitat GMU (east of Hwy 97).  You can guess what their opinion will be on access.
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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2014, 07:05:47 PM »
Just got a peek into the Weyco mind.  They are pretty worked up about the Grays Harbor proposal, and they have also heard that a similar ordinance is being considered in Cowlitz Co.  (Maybe it's contagious.)  I think Grays H. should go for it.  Then sit back and watch the fireworks.
these are what I see as the outcome
1) Weyco. sues to stop the ordinance
2) Weyco drops the permit fees
3) Weyco shuts everything down
My bet is on #1 most likely--tie it up in court until the legislature gets to it.
If #3 happens then the county should immediately fine a formal complaint with SFI. 
Either way, whatever happens would only last a year or so.  This issue screams for state action--probably by creating another land use category in forests where fees and other incomes are considered, but the land is taxed on a slightly higher value, and  free public access for full tax break.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2014, 07:29:58 PM »
I own designated timber land in Grays Harbor and Pacific County's that borders Weyco, Green Diamond and Rayonier and have been watching this issue shape up for quite a while and there is a lot more to this than people realize and has been discussed here so far. I think what is happening in Grays Harbor may be good but that is just my guess and we are a long way from the end of this road. It will definitely be interesting.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2014, 10:30:31 PM »
I don't know how this will end but I do know that it would be good for a crowd to show up on the 23rd!

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2014, 08:21:10 AM »
Let's raise taxes and take away property rights on the County's largest employer and landowner so we can all whine about lost jobs and lost access while we celebrate saving $150 a year. 

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2014, 08:22:58 AM »
Actually the Aberdeen tree farm permit is only $75 per year.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2014, 08:23:20 AM »
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I don't know how this will end but I do know that it would be good for a crowd to show up on the 23rd!
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How long til elk season?!??

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2014, 08:33:22 AM »
Newspaper article on this subject:

Counties mull moves to counter Weyerhaeuser access fees

12 hours ago  •  By Shari Phiel, Tom Paulu

Weyerhaeuser Co. expanding forest fee access program

Starting this summer, hunters will have to pay to get onto much of Weyerhaeuser Co.’s St. Helens Tree Farm and the company’s land near the coast.

Reacting to public anger over Weyerhaeuser Co.’s fee-for-entry policy, commissioners in Cowlitz and Grays Harbor counties are looking for ways to block the move.

A proposal in Grays Harbor County would raise Weyerhaeuser’s property tax, though a company spokesman said Thursday linking land access to taxes might be illegal.

Weyerhaeuser plans to start charging $150 for a family permit to visit much of its land around Longview starting Aug. 1. Some areas will be leased to the highest bidder. The company is also expanding its fee access program in Grays Harbor County.

More than 400 people have signed a petition asking the Cowlitz County commissioners to try to stop Weyerhaeuser from charging for public access. Chris Bornstedt of Kelso started the petition several weeks ago, leaving copies in local sporting goods stores. Bornstedt said the fee access system will be bad for the local economy because it will discourage hunters from spending.

“We’ll take (the petition) to county commissioners and let them know we aren’t happy with it,” Bornstedt said.

Cowlitz County Commissioner Jim Misner said he’s asked Weyerhaeuser to waive or reduce permit fees for Cowlitz County residents and for current and retired company workers.

At the commissioners’ meeting Thursday, Misner said he has asked Weyerhaeuser spokesman Anthony Chavez if the company could reduce fees for people who carry garbage bags into the forest and pick up trash. He said Waste Control has agreed to put dumpsters at five locations in the county where woods trash could be dumped.

“I told him a lot of hunters are going to be reluctant to hunt our local timberlands now because of the hoof-disease epidemic, so a lot of them aren’t going to hunt locally anyway,” Misner said. “The other thing is, I think it’s just good PR for the locals. Anthony likes the idea, but he wants to run it up the chain.”

Hunters are also upset in Grays Harbor County, where a proposed ordinance would increase taxes for timber companies that charge for access. Traditionally, Grays Harbor County allows some timber owners to pay lower taxes on land primarily used for growing and harvesting timber. Grays Harbor County Commissioner Wes Comier wants to eliminate the tax break for landowners who charge for public access.

Grays Harbor will hold a hearing on the proposal on June 23.

In an email, Chavez told The Daily News, “we are evaluating the ordinance and question the county’s authority to tax our timberlands in this way. Our preliminary research suggests the ordinance is inconsistent with state law and invalid.” The note did not elaborate.

“I think that Grays Harbor is on to something,” Misner said. He said he has asked the Cowlitz County’s prosecutor’s office to review the legality off the proposed Grays Harbor ordinance. Misner also suggested the commissioners hold a forum and invite people who have signed Bornstedt’s petition.

Cowlitz County Commissioner Mike Karnofski, a former Weyerhaeuser Co. employee, said he wanted to hear the Cowlitz County legal staff’s opinion of the taxation ordinance before considering a forum.

http://tdn.com/news/local/counties-mull-moves-to-counter-weyerhaeuser-access-fees/article_09fa0332-f28f-11e3-b765-0019bb2963f4.html

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2014, 03:46:01 PM »
Bobcat, the prime areas are much more expensive and limited.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2014, 05:39:42 PM »
Let's raise taxes and take away property rights on the County's largest employer and landowner so we can all whine about lost jobs and lost access while we celebrate saving $150 a year.

they are not the county's largest employer
How long til elk season?!??

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2014, 05:50:20 PM »
I figure my property taxes will go down at least $200 hundred a year.   I can not afford their new game so why should I pay higher taxes so they can pay less?   If you think their current prices will not go up  then you are in for a surprise.   

Also they are not the employer they once were and most of their trees are going to China.  There was a day when Weyerheauser and Rayonier were part of the community.  That is no more.

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Re: grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2014, 08:09:34 PM »
There was a day when Weyerheauser and Rayonier were part of the community.  That is no more.

Couldn't have said it better. 
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grays harbor county and weyco...this should be interesting
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2014, 08:20:03 PM »
There was a day when Weyerheauser and Rayonier were part of the community.  That is no more.

Couldn't have said it better.

Hmmm. I am not a local so I don't know about this. But the comments make me realize this is a tough issue. Lease keep us informed.
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