FOREST PRACTICE BOARD MEETING

[pianoman9701]

I don't understand why many government agencies discourage the publics use of herbicides and pesticides on our lawns and gardens to protect salmon and Puget Sound water quality but approve the use of much stronger chemicals in the headwaters.

Follow the money. That's why.

[MarkyMark]

Maybe when Susanah Frame is done tearing apart Hanford on TV we could get her started on this...

[idahohuntr]

So we should just poison the forests and let them die. Nice!  You've made your viewpoint perfectly clear, Idaho. You've made it very clear which side of the issue you support.

Never said that.  Just pointing out the facts.  Wildlife will be subject to whatever risk we humans decide to subject them to.  We could reduce the risk to wildlife by not expanding human development.  We could reduce the risk to wolves by increasing the number of breeding pairs required for de-listing.  We could reduce the risk to elk herds by not issuing damage tags for depredation claims.  Which risks are you wanting to reduce most?  You liberal environmentalists in Vancouver and your crusade against private enterprise never ceases to amaze me. 

[bbarnes]

No liberal environmentalist here just a very successful hunter,that's NOT against logging but concerned about toxins being spayed.I would love to take you to my propertys,and show you how timber grows just fine without the chemicals.Ive seen the demise of the states elk herd, with the current practice of if a littles good a lot is better.Get a clue about what's going on and quit surfing trying to antagonize the public,that's  trying to raise awareness of the ineptness of the people in charge.If it wasn't for us raising the concern at the  WDFW commission meeting in Moses Lake three years ago, they would have done NOTHING.Whats your contribution to the problem,besides over selling tags in the state? That's only added to the problem by running the elk to death, from September 31 until January 31.It used to be elk was done in the second week of November and then 4 days of late buck and HUNTERS were out of the woods.We need common sense seasons not a bunch of STATE employees trying to get retired doing as little as possible.Im for live animal testing to see what going on here.Remember they have only put 54,000 dollars, in to the BIGGEST WILDLIFE problem the states ever had.whats your suggestion I've heard lots of criticism no solution LETS HEAR IT.  EAT THE SANDWITCH

[pianoman9701]

He's shooting in the dark, BB. He's a troll.

[bbarnes]

FYI even the conservite party is getting on board looking at what's going on.As a matter of FACT Don Benton gave me a letter that I gave to the FPB yesterday also gave a COPY  to WDFW and THE GOVENOR

[pianoman9701]

FYI even the conservite party is getting on board looking at what's going on.As a matter of FACT Don Benton gave me a letter that I gave to the FPB yesterday also gave a COPY  to WDFW and THE GOVENOR

Yes, he sent me a copy. I'm glad my senator got on board.

[Curly]

http://m.inlander.com/Bloglander/archives/2014/07/09/governor-proposes-stronger-water-quality-standards-increased-fish-consumption

The governor is calling for increased water quality standards so that more fish per month can be recommended in our diet.  You'd think he would also be in favor of healthy wildlife in forests in this state.

[idahohuntr]

No liberal environmentalist here just a very successful hunter,that's NOT against logging but concerned about toxins being spayed.I would love to take you to my propertys,and show you how timber grows just fine without the chemicals.Ive seen the demise of the states elk herd, with the current practice of if a littles good a lot is better.Get a clue about what's going on and quit surfing trying to antagonize the public,that's  trying to raise awareness of the ineptness of the people in charge.If it wasn't for us raising the concern at the  WDFW commission meeting in Moses Lake three years ago, they would have done NOTHING.Whats your contribution to the problem,besides over selling tags in the state? That's only added to the problem by running the elk to death, from September 31 until January 31.It used to be elk was done in the second week of November and then 4 days of late buck and HUNTERS were out of the woods.We need common sense seasons not a bunch of STATE employees trying to get retired doing as little as possible.Im for live animal testing to see what going on here.Remember they have only put 54,000 dollars, in to the BIGGEST WILDLIFE problem the states ever had.whats your suggestion I've heard lots of criticism no solution LETS HEAR IT.  EAT THE SANDWITCH

So you want to end herbicide use, end hunting seasons because they are too long, end government employment...did I miss anything?

Despite your attempts at spreading vasts amounts of misinformation WDFW is on a solid path to handling this disease as best they can while trying to better understand causes and effects on wild elk populations.  My solution is to support their efforts and provide rationale feedback on ways they can improve.  Your solution seems to be one where you paint yourself as some sort of savior of elk while personally attacking anyone who does not share your view of the problem or potential solutions.  It all revolves around you trying to get your 15 minutes of fame.  WDFW has 15 independent experts providing guidance on a very complex problem and you do nothing but confuse the public with your lies and misinformation which causes WDFW to have to spend time and money dealing with your garbage.  Holding their feet to the fire is one thing...what you are doing is counter-productive and damaging to the states wildlife resources.  I could care less how many popularity contests you might win in various settings, the fact is you are a detriment to solving this problem.  You are a disgrace to how sportsmen should interact with state wildlife agencies and your total lack of respect for everyone that doesn't share your view point must make it hard for anyone with any real authority to take you seriously. 

[KFhunter]

No liberal environmentalist here just a very successful hunter,that's NOT against logging but concerned about toxins being spayed.I would love to take you to my propertys,and show you how timber grows just fine without the chemicals.Ive seen the demise of the states elk herd, with the current practice of if a littles good a lot is better.Get a clue about what's going on and quit surfing trying to antagonize the public,that's  trying to raise awareness of the ineptness of the people in charge.If it wasn't for us raising the concern at the  WDFW commission meeting in Moses Lake three years ago, they would have done NOTHING.Whats your contribution to the problem,besides over selling tags in the state? That's only added to the problem by running the elk to death, from September 31 until January 31.It used to be elk was done in the second week of November and then 4 days of late buck and HUNTERS were out of the woods.We need common sense seasons not a bunch of STATE employees trying to get retired doing as little as possible.Im for live animal testing to see what going on here.Remember they have only put 54,000 dollars, in to the BIGGEST WILDLIFE problem the states ever had.whats your suggestion I've heard lots of criticism no solution LETS HEAR IT.  EAT THE SANDWITCH

So you want to end herbicide use, end hunting seasons because they are too long, end government employment...did I miss anything?

Despite your attempts at spreading vasts amounts of misinformation WDFW is on a solid path to handling this disease as best they can while trying to better understand causes and effects on wild elk populations.  My solution is to support their efforts and provide rationale feedback on ways they can improve.  Your solution seems to be one where you paint yourself as some sort of savior of elk while personally attacking anyone who does not share your view of the problem or potential solutions.  It all revolves around you trying to get your 15 minutes of fame.  WDFW has 15 independent experts providing guidance on a very complex problem and you do nothing but confuse the public with your lies and misinformation which causes WDFW to have to spend time and money dealing with your garbage.  Holding their feet to the fire is one thing...what you are doing is counter-productive and damaging to the states wildlife resources.  I could care less how many popularity contests you might win in various settings, the fact is you are a detriment to solving this problem.  You are a disgrace to how sportsmen should interact with state wildlife agencies and your total lack of respect for everyone that doesn't share your view point must make it hard for anyone with any real authority to take you seriously.

Belittling the P-man isn't helping your viewpoint, you tried that with me on the wolf section and it didn't work there either.  I don't know about everyone else, but I grow tired of how you look down your nose and belittle your fellow hunters when they don't carry your water.

[idahohuntr]

No liberal environmentalist here just a very successful hunter,that's NOT against logging but concerned about toxins being spayed.I would love to take you to my propertys,and show you how timber grows just fine without the chemicals.Ive seen the demise of the states elk herd, with the current practice of if a littles good a lot is better.Get a clue about what's going on and quit surfing trying to antagonize the public,that's  trying to raise awareness of the ineptness of the people in charge.If it wasn't for us raising the concern at the  WDFW commission meeting in Moses Lake three years ago, they would have done NOTHING.Whats your contribution to the problem,besides over selling tags in the state? That's only added to the problem by running the elk to death, from September 31 until January 31.It used to be elk was done in the second week of November and then 4 days of late buck and HUNTERS were out of the woods.We need common sense seasons not a bunch of STATE employees trying to get retired doing as little as possible.Im for live animal testing to see what going on here.Remember they have only put 54,000 dollars, in to the BIGGEST WILDLIFE problem the states ever had.whats your suggestion I've heard lots of criticism no solution LETS HEAR IT.  EAT THE SANDWITCH

So you want to end herbicide use, end hunting seasons because they are too long, end government employment...did I miss anything?

Despite your attempts at spreading vasts amounts of misinformation WDFW is on a solid path to handling this disease as best they can while trying to better understand causes and effects on wild elk populations.  My solution is to support their efforts and provide rationale feedback on ways they can improve.  Your solution seems to be one where you paint yourself as some sort of savior of elk while personally attacking anyone who does not share your view of the problem or potential solutions.  It all revolves around you trying to get your 15 minutes of fame.  WDFW has 15 independent experts providing guidance on a very complex problem and you do nothing but confuse the public with your lies and misinformation which causes WDFW to have to spend time and money dealing with your garbage.  Holding their feet to the fire is one thing...what you are doing is counter-productive and damaging to the states wildlife resources.  I could care less how many popularity contests you might win in various settings, the fact is you are a detriment to solving this problem.  You are a disgrace to how sportsmen should interact with state wildlife agencies and your total lack of respect for everyone that doesn't share your view point must make it hard for anyone with any real authority to take you seriously.

Belittling the P-man isn't helping your viewpoint, you tried that with me on the wolf section and it didn't work there either.  I don't know about everyone else, but I grow tired of how you look down your nose and belittle your fellow hunters when they don't carry your water.

KF: Get off your high horse...talk about the pot calling the kettle black   

[t6]

Its obvious that it wouldn't matter what evidence or studies were done.  They would not satisfy Idahohunter or WDFW.  As long as they can discredit opponents of their agenda they will continue to spew lies.   

 

[jongosch]

here's a fun little quote for you:

“There probably needs to be another species of bacteria that comes in before the treponemes that allows them entry into the cells.” 

You know who said that?  WDFW veterinarian and epidemiologist Kristin Mansfield yesterday at the Forest Practices Board meeting in Olympia.

So is this other species of bacteria safe for human consumption?  Which bacteria is that exactly?  And does that mean WDFW is now aligning with the many members of their own Technical Advisory Group who believe these bacteria are secondary or even tertiary to larger environmental factors including our forest practices?

Would you like to hear those again?  Okay, great!

“[Treponemes] are possibly playing a role, but they’re not the entirety,” said Jennifer Wilson, a research microbiologist with the USDA.

“I buy the fact that it’s acting like a novel introduced disease.  I’m just saying this treponema data does not support that,” said Tom Besser, a specialist in Veterinary Microbiology and Pathology at WSU.

“I also have a little bit of a concern because the treponema hypothesis still requires an initiating event… Until you figure out what that triggering event was you’re not going to be able to really understand the disease,” said Dr. Anne Fairbrother, an Ecotoxicologist with Exponent Engineering and Scientific Consulting.

“You’re mentioning lots of different bacteria.  That’s one piece of the puzzle… but there are other things that seem to be missing in the puzzle.  Big pieces.  The big pieces are the environmental factors and why this particular region and not other regions,” said Dale Moore, an expert in preventive veterinary medicine at WSU.

And don't forget this one:

Dr. Paul Kohrs, Acting State Veterinarian with the Department of Agriculture, stated that “something must be done different down here with forest practices” and added that “it needs to be explored.”

you know who has been the single biggest detriment to solving this hoof disease problem: WDFW

[idahohuntr]

You guys are getting a little absurd with the name calling.  I guess when you don't have facts its all your left with.

WDFW is working to address this issue.  Its complex and herbicides are not the direct cause of hoof rot...even Bob Ferris has told you that.  You guys are out to get your 15 minutes of fame and write your articles, and so its a better story if you can paint yourselves as saviors going up against goliath...I get that.  Its disingenuous and pitiful, but whatever it takes to make a $$ I guess.  The reality is WDFW and their staff are working hard to try and solve this complex problem.  Nothing you are doing is helping our wildlife or helping solve the problem.  Name calling and alienation makes it so that if you do have valuable input it will never be heard by the people that matter.  But again, its very clear you are not here to solve a problem...you guys are here to capitalize on a problem and make a quick buck doing it.   

[idahohuntr]

Its obvious that it wouldn't matter what evidence or studies were done.  They would not satisfy Idahohunter or WDFW.  As long as they can discredit opponents of their agenda they will continue to spew lies.

Studies and facts do very much matter to me...that is why I can't blindly accept your wild leptospirosis theories which have no merit...even though I believe reducing herbicides in the environment would be beneficial.  I don't just put on the blinders and look at one snippet of evidence that confirms my personal beliefs...I look at the whole picture.  You guys are a case study in confirmation bias where you only look for tidbits of evidence that support your biased views and ignore all other evidence. 

I have no agenda.  You are not my "opponent" and I have no personal interest in discrediting you.  But I have spoken directly with Dr. Mansfield on this topic and I do not believe you portray this problem accurately and I do not believe you are helping the wildlife resources of this state and so I'm going to call you on that.  Its really that simple.