Roads still closed, where is our money going?

[Terry Dean]

Most of my old hunting roads are still closed after being washed out for more than 6 years, Gold Creek, Milk creek, Rock creek, and a few more Why havent these roads been fixed yet?, where is all our money going we pay more for land and recreational use than any other state. 3 years ago I was told by the forest service that Milk creek was to be opened the beginning of last year, nope still closed! People are still accessing these roads illegally from the back side, if you have a jeep or a big 4x4. and ive hiked in and seen dirt bikes rollin around...But honestly where is our money going i spend over 400$ in license and fees and tags, the moneys got to be going someware but obviously not to land management

[Terry Dean]

Yes I know the1704 pic Just happened but I posted it because this road is to peoples cabins and homes

[Skyhigh]

your 400 bucks in state license fees does not go to the feds for lands management.

[billythekidrock]

your 400 bucks in state license fees does not go to the feds for lands management.

 

[mfswallace]

Still pretty piss poor management all around when roads are not fixed within a year of washout or slide!! 

[grundy53]

The FS wants less roads. The easiest way for them to achieve this is to not fix their current roads when they wash out.

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[lamrith]

The FS wants less roads. The easiest way for them to achieve this is to not fix their current roads when they wash out.

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Soo then how do they propose to get equipment up there to fight fires with so many less roads?

[lamrith]

Yeah and no plumper or heavy equip support at all, nor way to get out of dodge quickly when things go south.  GREAT plan.

[logger]

what a crock of crap!!It's national forest not national park, multiple use!! Those lazy *censored*s are sitting on millions of acres of funding and yet personal agendas form the manangement[or lack of] our ground, I have been in this game long enough to see the transition of what once a pretty damn decent program to basically a money sucking do nothing agency that should be disbaned.I am not passionate about many things at all except the management of OUR national forest, I by no means think we need to go back to the days of big clearcuts, but this do nothing crap has got to go, pretty tough to argue that the deer and elk hunting is as good now as when the dept. of aggravation actually did the job they were intened to do.This lack of funding battle cry that they love to use is getting old real fast, The state makes money selling timber,why can't the feds? I have several forest service contracts right now that are losers for them solely because of how they manage the sale, their idiotic contracts are so filled with crap that it boils down to you have to charge atleast twice as much as the state to accomplish what they want. Buy this paas, buy that pass, and beat the crap out of your rig using your pass!!

[BOWHUNTER45]

The FS wants less roads. The easiest way for them to achieve this is to not fix their current roads when they wash out.

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[grundy53]

The FS wants less roads. The easiest way for them to achieve this is to not fix their current roads when they wash out.

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Soo then how do they propose to get equipment up there to fight fires with so many less roads?

I think they plan on letting it burn as long as it's not near civilization...

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[Elkaholic daWg]

what a crock of crap!!It's national forest not national park, multiple use!! Those lazy *censored*s are sitting on millions of acres of funding and yet personal agendas form the manangement[or lack of] our ground, I have been in this game long enough to see the transition of what once a pretty damn decent program to basically a money sucking do nothing agency that should be disbaned.I am not passionate about many things at all except the management of OUR national forest, I by no means think we need to go back to the days of big clearcuts, but this do nothing crap has got to go, pretty tough to argue that the deer and elk hunting is as good now as when the dept. of aggravation actually did the job they were intened to do.This lack of funding battle cry that they love to use is getting old real fast, The state makes money selling timber,why can't the feds? I have several forest service contracts right now that are losers for them solely because of how they manage the sale, their idiotic contracts are so filled with crap that it boils down to you have to charge atleast twice as much as the state to accomplish what they want. Buy this paas, buy that pass, and beat the crap out of your rig using your pass!!

        :Remember    "the land of MANY uses"? 

[BetoBow]

I personally don't mind that they close some roads as long as we can access it on foot or bike. This is what the regulation pamphlet states:

"Studies in the Pacific Northwest have shown that most big game animals avoid active roads by at least one-quarter mile, and some move as much as four miles to escape traffic. Closing roads can provide large undisturbed areas for wildlife, like elk, deer, bighorn sheep, eagles, and wild turkeys during critical times of the year. Intensively managed forests may have three to nine miles of road for each square mile of habitat. For each mile of road, at least four acres are directly removed as productive habitat. Animals need energy to survive. Energy spent moving away from disturbances can deplete the energy needed to survive to late spring or give birth to a healthy elk calf. By limiting disturbance, road closures can enhance the health, reproduction, and number of animals in an area."

[grundy53]

I personally don't mind that they close some roads as long as we can access it on foot or bike. This is what the regulation pamphlet states:

"Studies in the Pacific Northwest have shown that most big game animals avoid active roads by at least one-quarter mile, and some move as much as four miles to escape traffic. Closing roads can provide large undisturbed areas for wildlife, like elk, deer, bighorn sheep, eagles, and wild turkeys during critical times of the year. Intensively managed forests may have three to nine miles of road for each square mile of habitat. For each mile of road, at least four acres are directly removed as productive habitat. Animals need energy to survive. Energy spent moving away from disturbances can deplete the energy needed to survive to late spring or give birth to a healthy elk calf. By limiting disturbance, road closures can enhance the health, reproduction, and number of animals in an area."

I wouldn't believe everything you read....

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[JimmyHoffa]

I personally don't mind that they close some roads as long as we can access it on foot or bike. This is what the regulation pamphlet states:

"Studies in the Pacific Northwest have shown that most big game animals avoid active roads by at least one-quarter mile, and some move as much as four miles to escape traffic. Closing roads can provide large undisturbed areas for wildlife, like elk, deer, bighorn sheep, eagles, and wild turkeys during critical times of the year. Intensively managed forests may have three to nine miles of road for each square mile of habitat. For each mile of road, at least four acres are directly removed as productive habitat. Animals need energy to survive. Energy spent moving away from disturbances can deplete the energy needed to survive to late spring or give birth to a healthy elk calf. By limiting disturbance, road closures can enhance the health, reproduction, and number of animals in an area."

I wouldn't believe everything you read....

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   Yeah, I know I never see animals in the roads...especially eating all that browse (berry/alder/seedlings) that never grow along the sides of roads.