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Methow post-fires deer situation
« on: August 14, 2014, 06:52:50 AM »
A buddy from Winthrop sent me a WDFW press release a week or two ago which said they (WDFW, that is) was likely to offer permit opportunities to those who requested one in the drawing, starting with kids, seniors and those with disabilities.  WDFW and landowners are worried about the deer concentrating in areas unaffected by the fires.

Anyone know if this happened yet?

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 06:54:31 AM »
There are two pretty good sized threads on here monitoring the situation, one specifically about antlerless tags and of course the Methow thread.  and no I don't think anything has happened yet.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 02:37:52 PM »
I'd be against having any special criteria in place in the awarding of permits for culling the herd in the Methow. Start anew; first come-first served. I just read an estimated 10,000 mule deer are expected to winter over in the Methow this year. The only thing certain is that tags are going to be offered or we watch the herd starve.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2014, 09:19:46 AM »
I'd be against having any special criteria in place in the awarding of permits for culling the herd in the Methow. Start anew; first come-first served. I just read an estimated 10,000 mule deer are expected to winter over in the Methow this year. The only thing certain is that tags are going to be offered or we watch the herd starve.

10,000 deer????? Did this rumor come from WDFW? Way to many zeros.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2014, 09:38:48 AM »
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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2014, 10:57:36 AM »
Fitkin probably sent those numbers out via cell phone when he was hiking up to baby his wolverines. :twocents:

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 01:33:51 PM »
I'd be against having any special criteria in place in the awarding of permits for culling the herd in the Methow. Start anew; first come-first served. I just read an estimated 10,000 mule deer are expected to winter over in the Methow this year. The only thing certain is that tags are going to be offered or we watch the herd starve.

Why not give the tags to youth, disabled, or 65 and over who didn't get drawn this year who put in for those units? Then if more tags are needed go beyond those groups. This plan would be more controlled than the first 200 hunters that show up with does, or what ever criteria they come up with for thining the herd will be.  :tup:

WDFW probably wants to use the people who put in for but didn't draw so they won't have to do anthor draw , or figure out a way to disperse them to other hunters.

And yes my daughter didn't draw a youth tag in the antlerless catagory in some of the units that had fires. So if she hears from WDFW I will let the forum know whats up.  :peep:
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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »
If any antlerless tags were to be given out and I BY NO MEANS am suggesting any should, then I think they should be offered to those with a 98856, 98814, etc........zip code.   Those people are the ones that could use the extra meat in their freezers and its their yards and their vehicles that are going to pay the price this winter.   Just my thought. 

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 02:30:24 PM »
In the last 8-9 years we have watched the deer herds drop, in 07-08 we fed over a 100 head of deer with our horses and mules, last year we might have fed six. I don't know that there will be that much of an impact do to the thinning herds. But it is a good excuse to throw in another hunt.$$$

Too bad WDFW don't count wolves like they count deer, we probably could have delisted in the 1990's.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2014, 02:52:11 PM »
I would agree bone, especially with the "I BY NO MEANS" part and give them to the 988.. crowd. However, you know as well as I do that  will never happen when the decision comes from the other side and they definitely wouldn't want all the non-linear missing out. You know like the comment bobcat wrote about how our businesses here really rely on outsiders spending money. :chuckle:

True as well, wolfbait. Too bad those of us that actually monitor our deer herds more accurately than wdfw don't have a say in our "factual" numbers. Also, your inbox was full the other day.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2014, 03:07:41 PM »
If any antlerless tags were to be given out and I BY NO MEANS am suggesting any should, then I think they should be offered to those with a 98856, 98814, etc........zip code.   Those people are the ones that could use the extra meat in their freezers and its their yards and their vehicles that are going to pay the price this winter.   Just my thought.

I can agree with that statement about the zip codes.  :tup:
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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2014, 04:58:09 PM »
If (and that's a HUGE "IF"), the powers that be decide to shrink the deer herd, I hope like heck that they balance the destruction among the entire deer population.  Let's issue an any deer tag to the youth, over 65's, disabled, etc.  that way we won't set the herd back so far by killing all the fawn makers.  And we could get rid of some of these big breeding 2 points.
     I'm far from convinced that any extra killing is necessary.  I seriously doubt that Fitkin has any real data yet, and there is still time for forage growth.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2014, 11:45:28 PM »
At present the e-mail said that if they decide to give out more antlerless tags in that area that they would be drawn from the people who put in for that area this year but were not drawn. Then possibly youth, disabled and seniors.

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Re: Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2014, 08:03:35 PM »
At present the e-mail said that if they decide to give out more antlerless tags in that area that they would be drawn from the people who put in for that area this year but were not drawn. Then possibly youth, disabled and seniors.

Will you post the email?
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Methow post-fires deer situation
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2014, 08:59:09 PM »
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Wildfires have burned tens of thousands of acres and hundreds of homes in north central Washington. Those fires also have damaged thousands of acres of wildlife habitat, including lands managed by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW). The agency anticipates the fires will have short and long-term effects on wildlife populations and the landscape.

Fire damaged wildlife area units

The Carlton Complex fire has scorched five of WDFW’s wildlife area units, encompassing 25,000 acres of land. The wildlife units include Indian Dan and Pateros (both near the town of Pateros), Texas Creek (south of Carlton), Chiliwist (northwest of Malott) and Methow (near Winthrop).

As of early August, the fire was still burning at or near some of the units. WDFW has sustained millions of dollars in damage to fencing and structures at the wildlife areas. The agency is assessing wildlife and habitat conditions as well as road access at each unit.

Updates on habitat conditions at each of the affected wildlife units will be posted in the wildlife program’s weekly reports.

Contact each wildlife area for the latest information.

Mule deer population to be managed

The area affected by the Carlton Complex fire provides habitat to both a year-round population of mule deer as well as a migratory herd that lives there in the winter. Altogether, about 10,000 mule deer use the affected area for winter habitat.

Some of the scorched areas may still provide winter habitat depending on weather throughout the summer and fall. WDFW will have a better understanding of winter habitat conditions by Nov. 1. Check for updates in the weekly wildlife reports. Even if conditions are ideal, however, there will be too many deer for the area to support this winter and for several years to come.

WDFW works to reduce conflicts with wildlife

Mule deer are moving out of the burned area and into orchards and farmland to seek food and cover. WDFW anticipates more problems could arise as migratory deer return to the area. The department is taking steps to minimize conflicts this fall and winter. WDFW is helping landowners replace a limited number of fire-damaged fences and apply for state and federal emergency assistance. Local landowners who have problems with deer on their lands should contact Ellen Heilhecker, WDFW’s wildlife conflict specialist for the region, at Ellen.Heilhecker@dfw.wa.gov.

Supplemental feeding is a short-term solution

WDFW generally tries to avoid the supplemental feeding of deer. However, the department will consider doing so in extreme circumstances such as drought or fire or to draw deer away from agricultural lands. This winter, WDFW likely will provide feed for mule deer in the burned area as a stop-gap measure until the deer population is back in balance with its habitat.

Supplemental feeding has several drawbacks. It concentrates animals, making them more vulnerable to predators, poaching and diseases such as hair slip, which already is a concern for deer in the region. Concentrated animals also can damage nearby private property, such as fences and shrubbery, and can hinder restoration efforts on public lands.

Feeding stations can create intense competition. As a result, a large number of fawns have died in past winter feeding efforts.

Deer learn where food is available from experience.  After emergency feeding ceases, deer will come back and concentrate in areas they previously had been fed.

Public safety also can be an issue. Feeding can draw animals into areas near roads, leading to collisions with vehicles.

Emergency feeding and habitat restoration programs are expensive and WDFW is accepting donations for this effort. Checks can be mailed to the Deer Winter Feeding Fund, WDFW, 600 N. Capitol Way, Olympia, WA 98504.

Hunting and access will be affected

WDFW will likely increase the number of antlerless deer permits this fall and winter, starting with youth and senior hunters and hunters with disabilities. The department will directly contact hunters who already have applied for deer permits in the area, so a new application process is unnecessary.

The agency could close roads in some wildlife units due to hazard trees and washouts. That could reduce access for hunting in the area this fall. Contact each wildlife area for the latest information on access.

WDFW expects to close the pheasant release site at the Chiliwist wildlife area unit and is looking for other areas to release those birds. Updates will be posted on this website.

Alternate grazing locations identified

A few permit-holders were using WDFW lands in the affected area for livestock grazing. WDFW has located alternate wildlife units in Okanogan County with suitable forage for emergency livestock grazing. This grazing will be offered to department permit-holders first and then to others if enough land is available. For more information, contact Dale Swedberg, WDFW’s Okanogan lands operations manager, at (509) 826-7205 or Dale.Swedberg@dfw.wa.gov.

Restoration efforts are in the works

The agency will work with other government agencies on restoration activities such as timber salvage and weed control. WDFW plans to re-seed bitterbrush on department lands within the burned area. However, it could take many years for shrubs and bitterbrush to re-establish in the damaged area.

Likewise, western gray squirrel habitat could take several years to recover. In some areas, ponderosa pine and Douglas fir tree stands sustained significant damage.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wildfires/
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 10:05:24 PM by bobcat »

 


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