dnr land access

[GameHunter1959]

The DNR would almost NEVER give up access to state land through private land. Once they have an easement they sure aren't going to give it up. Why would they do that? They need to be able to access the land in order to manage it. Now, the access route very often will NOT be for PUBLIC access, but only for DNR employees while conducting state business.

 

Hate to say your wrong, but you are. I will give you a specific location to prove it.

GMU 145 Mayview
Deadman Creek Road

State DNR property land locked by private land leased out to Deadman Creek Outfitters. There is an abandoned access road to the DNR property off Deadman Creek Road. If you drive to the start of the road, Deadman Creek Outfitters has a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood, that says "Private Road Deadman Creek Outfitters" "No Hunting or Trespassing". The road is the only access road to the DNR property. I met James Earl (DNR Manager) in person and inquired if the access road was "TRUTHFULLY" property of Deadman Creek Outfitters, or a state managed access road to the DNR. James Earl looked it up. It was property of the DNR and abandon a few years ago. It is now the responsibility of the private land owners to maintain the road.

Further; go on to the WSDFW Interactive Hunt Map. You can filter search all DNR abandon roads for the GMU you are researching. They even have the word "ABANDON ROAD" under the DNR legend. Take a look...

[GameHunter1959]

In regards to public access not being given to the public. Not true; you can get a copy of the land access agreement from the DNR Manager. Only if it exists. If no agreement is on file; you can have the DNR Manager contact the private land owner to gain access for you. You may or may not get access. It is all up to the private land owner.

I am probably not the person that anyone wants to argue with. I have been working with the DNR Manager every week since June 24th. I have spent countless hours in their office asking questions, and trying to take advantage of land locked property. Most would not go to the extreme that I have. If you make the effort, the DNR Manager can get you where you want to go. Most are not going to make the effort that I have.

[bobcat]

I'm familiar with that area. Are you talking about Breakdown Road? If not, which road are you talking about? I think you're a little confused on terms. The word "abandoned" is generally used for forest roads which are just not being maintained. These would actually be located on DNR land. This is what the term "abandoned" is referring to on the WDFW map.

I think the road you're referring to may have been a county road that the county "vacated." I'm betting the section of DNR land still has legal access for DNR employees, just not for the public, because there is no longer a county right of way. If the DNR truly does not have access, well, that would be a very unusual situation. The DNR would not voluntarily give up access to DNR land.

[bobcat]

In regards to public access not being given to the public. Not true; you can get a copy of the land access agreement from the DNR Manager. Only if it exists. If no agreement is on file; you can have the DNR Manager contact the private land owner to gain access for you. You may or may not get access. It is all up to the private land owner.

I am probably not the person that anyone wants to argue with. I have been working with the DNR Manager every week since June 24th. I have spent countless hours in their office asking questions, and trying to take advantage of land locked property. Most would not go to the extreme that I have. If you make the effort, the DNR Manager can get you where you want to go. Most are not going to make the effort that I have.

You don't need to go through the DNR to gain access to state land. What you need, is a public road in order to get to that state land without having to trespass on private property. Most easements that the DNR has across private land specifically state that the easement is not to be used for public access. So generally, if you're trying to gain access to landlocked state land, you need to be talking to the private land owner, not a DNR employee.

Not trying to argue, just don't want others to get the impression that talking to someone at the DNR will get you access to landlocked state land. The only way to get access is by asking the private land owner for permission to cross his property.

[GameHunter1959]

I don't know the name of the road, as there is no sign. I'm guessing Deadman or the DNR removed it, because they don't want anyone up there hunting. I have him GPS coordinates and he looked it up on his computer. He said the road has been abandon by the DNR, and turned over to the 2 private land owners surrounding the property. He said the DNR don't even go up there. I was told I could take my chances and drive up the road. If caught; I would have to buy the easement from the private land owners to win my court case. Needless to say; I did not waste my time trying to gain access. Plenty of land elsewhere to hunt.

[GameHunter1959]

In regards to public access not being given to the public. Not true; you can get a copy of the land access agreement from the DNR Manager. Only if it exists. If no agreement is on file; you can have the DNR Manager contact the private land owner to gain access for you. You may or may not get access. It is all up to the private land owner.

I am probably not the person that anyone wants to argue with. I have been working with the DNR Manager every week since June 24th. I have spent countless hours in their office asking questions, and trying to take advantage of land locked property. Most would not go to the extreme that I have. If you make the effort, the DNR Manager can get you where you want to go. Most are not going to make the effort that I have.

You don't need to go through the DNR to gain access to state land. What you need, is a public road in order to get to that state land without having to trespass on private property. Most easements that the DNR has across private land specifically state that the easement is not to be used for public access. So generally, if you're trying to gain access to landlocked state land, you need to be talking to the private land owner, not a DNR employee.

Not trying to argue, just don't want others to get the impression that talking to someone at the DNR will get you access to landlocked state land. The only way to get access is by asking the private land owner for permission to cross his property.

Agreed, but as I stated earlier. I contacted them because I wanted to know if the 4x8 sheet of plywood was truth or BS by Deadman to keep people from going up there. I knew what the answer was going to be if I contacted Deadman. They would have told me, not to go up there. Obviously; they have a sign at the road entrance. The Deadman folks are pretty protective of their leased land. They have a reputation of self entitlement issues, in regards to the available hunt areas surrounding there property.

[GameHunter1959]

In regards to public access not being given to the public. Not true; you can get a copy of the land access agreement from the DNR Manager. Only if it exists. If no agreement is on file; you can have the DNR Manager contact the private land owner to gain access for you. You may or may not get access. It is all up to the private land owner.

I am probably not the person that anyone wants to argue with. I have been working with the DNR Manager every week since June 24th. I have spent countless hours in their office asking questions, and trying to take advantage of land locked property. Most would not go to the extreme that I have. If you make the effort, the DNR Manager can get you where you want to go. Most are not going to make the effort that I have.

You don't need to go through the DNR to gain access to state land. What you need, is a public road in order to get to that state land without having to trespass on private property. Most easements that the DNR has across private land specifically state that the easement is not to be used for public access. So generally, if you're trying to gain access to landlocked state land, you need to be talking to the private land owner, not a DNR employee.

Not trying to argue, just don't want others to get the impression that talking to someone at the DNR will get you access to landlocked state land. The only way to get access is by asking the private land owner for permission to cross his property.

Correct..you don't NEED to go to the DNR, but I did because a DNR Manager asking for access from the private landowner holds more weight than just myself asking. I was able to secure 2 new hunting spots because the DNR helped me. Just saying; they will help you if you put in the effort.

[Special T]

Tons of state land that is landlocked behind private timber company land. The only way for the public to get access is for the DNR to get easements across the private land, and that's not going to happen because the state doesn't have enough money to pay what the timber companies would want. And, it's not really a priority for the DNR. They have easements across all that private ground for their own use, the easements just aren't for the general  public to use. And that's the way the timber companies like it.

And it's not just state land. Lots of federal land, especially BLM is landlocked (no legal public access).

Is there any way to flex some muscles here? If they want access across fed or state land for loggiing then what about some kind of access for the public... perhaps not to the private land but at least to get to the public land?