If I Die - 594

[Lucky1]

I told my kids that I have given them all my guns. I am just using them until I die. They don't even know what guns they "own"

[2labs]

Bill Gates & his friends are pouring money into this so you won't blame computers and the internet for corrupting the minds of our children.  The real smoking gun is Gate's Windows Technology.  It has put a curse on our country. 

The internet should be controlled.  Guns aren't the problem.   

If Bill and his buddies are so concerned with gun violence and gun control maybe start with the X Box. Call of duty, black ops, etc, etc. another liberal hypocrite!!

[addicted2hunting]

If I die they were my wife's guns in the first place.

Perfectly stated!

[tjthebest]

I told my kids that I have given them all my guns. I am just using them until I die. They don't even know what guns they "own"

Why even say that when it is still breaking the law? If they are your kids guns, you legally cannot use them. I would just go with whoever is holding the gun is the owner and hope that no one sees a transfer.

[Heredoggydoggy]

Bill Gates & his friends are pouring money into this so you won't blame computers and the internet for corrupting the minds of our children.  The real smoking gun is Gate's Windows Technology.  It has put a curse on our country. 

The internet should be controlled.  Guns aren't the problem.   

Bill Gates stole the program from Apple, changed it just enough to call it Windows.  Apple trademarked their hardware, but never trademarked their software, so Gates stole it! 

[xd2005]

Bill Gates & his friends are pouring money into this so you won't blame computers and the internet for corrupting the minds of our children.  The real smoking gun is Gate's Windows Technology.  It has put a curse on our country. 

The internet should be controlled.  Guns aren't the problem.   

Bill Gates stole the program from Apple, changed it just enough to call it Windows.  Apple trademarked their hardware, but never trademarked their software, so Gates stole it! 

Fortunately Jobs was a straight-laced guy that never stole anything...

[Stein]

Write a letter gifting all of them to your wife and sign and date it today.  Then, when you die you have nothing to transfer.

Another thing I was wondering about are the NFA trust owners of firearms.  If a trust can own a suppressor, I wonder if it can own firearms?

[Lucky1]

I wonder if we can have shared ownership under the law.

[Stein]

There are so many questions.  What if you abandon the firearm?  Bury it in a tube in the woods with absolutely no intention to ever return, then who owns it?

What about a business owning a firearm?  Today, you could private party sell my business a firearm just like a vehicle or building.  The business is always with me, so it is only a temporary use of the firearm, not a transfer by their definitions.

The more I think about it, the more this is going to be taken apart in court.

[fireweed]

what confuses me is since there is no "list" anywhere, how do the "gun police"  know whose guns they are to start with?  In a married couple don't they already belong to both spouses?  If one dies, they then just belong to one spouse after that.  If there is no "list" then in any given house the guns could belong to anybody who lives there.

[Stein]

what confuses me is since there is no "list" anywhere, how do the "gun police"  know whose guns they are to start with?  In a married couple don't they already belong to both spouses?  If one dies, they then just belong to one spouse after that.  If there is no "list" then in any given house the guns could belong to anybody who lives there.

As of today, there is a list of all handguns purchased since 96 or so as well as every firearm that has gone through an FFL.  Moving forward, there will be a paper trail of every firearm transfer.

The main goal isn't to get 100% of all of the guns on a list as this wouldn't pass.  So, they settle for 100% of the guns from today on and then catch a bunch of the rest in future transfers.  Remember, when the handgun thing happened in the 90's, the state swore up and down it wasn't a registry.  Now, we have an official unofficial "tax" registry of every handgun purchase through an FFL.  Don't think this will end up any different.

[Griiz]

This bill is thinking long term. My wife can say I gave my firearms to her before the bill became law if they were purchased before then. My 12 year old son can't say that because he can't legally own a gun for six more years, even though he has mowed many lawns and done other jobs and I have used his money to purchase four firearms that will legally be his some day if things don't get worse. The problem is he will have to get a background check to get his guns from me and my guns someday. At this time all the guns might be on a register which is bad news. But he has to register the guns or become a felon if caught with any gun. Our generation is OK, the next is screwed because they can't owns gun right now because of age. In the big picture it is the first step in removing guns from the people. Think a few decades out.

[whackmaster]

you dont mean if i die you mean when i die

[Stein]

This bill is thinking long term. My wife can say I gave my firearms to her before the bill became law if they were purchased before then. My 12 year old son can't say that because he can't legally own a gun for six more years, even though he has mowed many lawns and done other jobs and I have used his money to purchase four firearms that will legally be his some day if things don't get worse. The problem is he will have to get a background check to get his guns from me and my guns someday. At this time all the guns might be on a register which is bad news. But he has to register the guns or become a felon if caught with any gun. Our generation is OK, the next is screwed because they can't owns gun right now because of age. In the big picture it is the first step in removing guns from the people. Think a few decades out.

There is a provision in 594 for your immediate family, no background check required.  Kind of funny that you can transfer to your looney brother but not the chief of police.

That said, the family provision will someday be yet another "loophole" that needs to be closed.  Look at what they got this time around with exactly zero evidence even one life would have been saved.

[Griiz]

This bill is thinking long term. My wife can say I gave my firearms to her before the bill became law if they were purchased before then. My 12 year old son can't say that because he can't legally own a gun for six more years, even though he has mowed many lawns and done other jobs and I have used his money to purchase four firearms that will legally be his some day if things don't get worse. The problem is he will have to get a background check to get his guns from me and my guns someday. At this time all the guns might be on a register which is bad news. But he has to register the guns or become a felon if caught with any gun. Our generation is OK, the next is screwed because they can't owns gun right now because of age. In the big picture it is the first step in removing guns from the people. Think a few decades out.

There is a provision in 594 for your immediate family, no background check required.  Kind of funny that you can transfer to your looney brother but not the chief of police.

That said, the family provision will someday be yet another "loophole" that needs to be closed.  Look at what they got this time around with exactly zero evidence even one life would have been saved.

That may be the case. Can you clear up why the wife has to turn guns in within 60 days and have a ffl check. She is also family listed in that provision. Thanks brad